200X will not start Wtf?

[team-red-rider]

i just installed a brand new carb on the thing changed the oil, spark plug, fresh fuel and adjusted the valves all that junk...wont start...it dosent even TRY to start..what could be wrong:wondering

[edog]

Do you have a manual???????????

[super90]

anything could be wrong. No spark, no fuel?

[team-red-rider]

got spark got fuel got manual =]

[84honda200s]

so that means should fire lol ha ha maybe you the gap slipped when you adjusted the valves. it is really hard to say man. did you put a oversize carb on or is it a oem carb ? hows the compression ? there could be anything wrong.

[RedRider_AK]

You need 3 things for it to work: Spark, air/fuel mixture, and compression. Take out any of the 3 and it won't work. If you're sure you've got a nice fat spark, and you personally went and poured some gas down the spark-plug hole and then pulled it over, and it didn't start, means you've got bad compression. Maybe valves leaking, maybe rings worn, maybe bad cylinder.

[3Wheelers4Life]

is the timing off, is it getting enough fuel, is the compression good, is the intake or exhaust blocked, is the engine built right? check everything.

[team-red-rider]

its got 150PSI compression no oil 155 with oil.....got FFAATT blue spark got fuel etc...with fuel down plug hole nuthin pop-pop, pop-pop

[84honda200s]

ok clean the plug off. then put gas down the head if nothing pull the plug. if it smells like fuel and is wet its wither compression or spark/timing but if your saying it has good compression it leaves one thing and thats spark/timing.

[RedRider_AK]

Wow, your life must really suck.

Check to make sure your timing is on the mark, check your intake and exhaust valves...

Seriously, other than that, I can't think of any other reason why your machine isn't starting. You have to be really really good to screw an engine up that much.

[84honda200s]

hell try some either or carn cleaner in the head other than gas. ive used carb cleaner and it works great. as rider said those are the only possible things wrong.

[team-red-rider]

it starts and runs fine on either ..idle's all day runs great...i should have mentioned that...but either KILLS!! a motor...trust me ive seen what it can do first hand

[84honda200s]

its not that bad in small shot. ive used it in every engine ive had. it never hurt. but like i said small shots. all it takes to start it is 1 small shot. so it runs ?? its probably just a cold harted *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* like mine. does it have any engine work done to it ?

[RedRider_AK]

It runs on ether, but not regular gas?

[team-red-rider]

to start yes...it wont restart once u shut it off untill its cool tho....its confusing..

[84honda200s]

well if it wont restart till it cools off it could be the coil is going bad. its all ive got for ya.

[erectordale]

take the cdi cover of the top of the motor and check that the rotor/timing advance mechanizim there is a little pin that keeps this aligned correctly that can fall out if not tightened correctly and the symptons your are talking about sounds likely that's the issue. you will have spark and will get gas and it will pop and try to start once in about 20 kicks I've had 4 200x machines do this as they was not tight enough too stay put Loc-tite will fix this use the blue not the red for easier removal when neccessary

[team-red-rider]

hey dale sounds exactly like the problem

[atc4everbob]

Erectordale could be onto something. The small pin on the camshaft fell out of my 200x. Blue Loc-Tite did the trick. Also, it still could be your valves not adjusted correctly. A friend of mine used to work at a Honda dealership years ago. He said you would not believe the people that brought in 200x trikes because they wouldn't start. Usually, one of the mechanics would grab a large adjustable wrench and feeler gauges and hop in the back of the truck, adjust the valves, and fire it right up - without even unloading it. He said the 200x and the ct70 engines are the pickiest when it comes to valves needing to be adjusted perfectly. Check 'em again to be sure, hell it only takes a few minutes. May save you a lot of time and aspirin. Let us know what you find!!! You have some curious watchers here.

[team-red-rider]

hey i have um both at .007 is that about right?

[84honda200s]

no the book calls for .003 i believe.

[atc4everbob]

I don't know the specs off the top of my head. Dale probably does. I'll see what I can find...

[atc4everbob]

If you have them at .007 and the book calls for .003, you're 5 minutes from firing that puppy up!!!

[team-red-rider]

anyone kno where to get the bent feeler gauges...i broke the .007 one trying to adjust them at that weird angle!

[84honda200s]

yea i hear ya i broke mu .003 off in the top end lol. i dont think you can buy angled ones but i could be wrong. go out and adjust them valves to .003 man. git it rag !!

[team-red-rider]

i just checked the book it .005 =] so i gotta do that and then try again lol...thx for the replies

[84honda200s]

00.5 ? dam mine tells me 00.3 ooo man im confused now. grrrrrrrr maybe thats why mine ran like crap. stupid books!!!!!

[team-red-rider]

i have a clymers and an official honda...clymers .003 honda .005 im sure honda is right

[team-red-rider]

ok valves adjusted...now on choke it spits fuel out of the carb?? any body around ft myers wanna come take alook ? before i buy a lifan motor and say screw it

[Yamahondaman]

the valves burnt or not in time .... i dunno ?

[team-red-rider]

i redid the compression check....i got 155...with out oil...same with oil. thats 1 less than new ..the book says 156 is spec when new

[Scooter77]

Hey rider, I remember when you were giving me tips on my 110. I finaly got that thing running good. If your blowing fuel from the fuel intake than its either valves or timing so double check that. My problem ended up being the intake valve needed adjusting just a little. Im gonna be restoring an 89 Cr125R soon, thanks god for 2 strokes. even if it is a wheel short of my liking lol. Hope you get it going man. :TrikesOwn

[RedRider_AK]

My 110 started spitting fuel out the carb when I bent the intake valve, so ... you're not seating your intake.

[team-red-rider]

ok time for a valve job

[RedRider_AK]

I thought you just did the valves though...

[team-red-rider]

nope....i adjusted them

[RedRider_AK]

Looks like this is a money pit.

[Robbie Z]

Sounds like ignition / timing issue.... new ignition coil? source coil? or timing adjustments....

[Scooter77]

Looks like this is a money pit.

Its worth it in the end though hehe, I found all the parts i need to cosmeticly restore the 125r and cosmetics alone excluding painting the frame is going to run me $605 lucky for me orders over $100 get free shipping. I sure hope i like this thing or its going up for sale or trades for an R. :beer

[84honda200s]

Its worth it in the end though hehe, I found all the parts i need to cosmeticly restore the 125r and cosmetics alone excluding painting the frame is going to run me $605 lucky for me orders over $100 get free shipping. I sure hope i like this thing or its going up for sale or trades for an R. :beer




lol let me guess dennis kirk ? i use to go threw them but i found a place here in town thats allot cheaper.

[DIGGER DOG]

you might want to check that the flywheel key hasent sheared
off, you will need a flywheel puller though the technical term is woodruff key, it holds the flywheel in place on crankshaft.
I have had that happen to me working on a customers trx 200
at work,also just about what everyone else has said on this thread, check,recheck,and check again the valve lash and go with Hondas spec.also check cam timing,use the manual,from what youve said the compression is perfect,if valve lash is too tight it wont run If valve lash is correct int.and exh.cam timing is correct,you have fire and fuel,then you either have a bent valve or carboned up valve or worst of all your flywheel key has sheared off that makes the timing off and could bend a valve too .Also be careful about putting gas in through the plug hole too much gas in combustion chamber will hydrolock
engine it will bend valves it will even bend or break connecting rod not a good thing to do I dont want to sound like a know it all but I am a Honda and yamaha certified tech
and work at a Honda Yamaha Kawasaki dealership.