check this out

[TrikeKid]

this is a sweet magnum :-D

[TrikeKid]

heres a bigger shot

[Andrew]

but its still a dodge ?

[G-MAN-1]

well i have to say that even though my dodge is brand new(2003 QUAD CAB 4X4 MAGNUM V-6) loaded. that i have to say its the best truck i have ever driven. better then chevy,ford and toyota and nissans. and i never was a dodge person till i bought this one and its the best truck and comforting vehicle on the road today. ford is close but chevy cant touch what these trucks do today. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[lushatc200x]

my fav are ford and dodge.

[olderthandirt]

:-D just remember that mopar means slow car, or no car :D :D

[250SX]

Move
Over
Pontiacs
Are
Racing

8)

[kyle]

g-man, dont put a load on that dodge. we have 2 one ton dodge duallys and within 2 months i have replaced 3 u-joints, 2 rearends went, and one tranny had to be rebuilt.they are years 2000 and 2001. they are good running trucks until you put a load on. but just remember Ford stands for First On Race Day, and For Off Road Drivers. :D

[TrikeKid]

this is what Pontiac meens :twisted:

Poor
Old
Nigger
Thinks
It's
A
Cadilac

ps: i agree kyle Ford does rule, but i like Dodge too you must have driven your Dodge like a moron :-P

[YTZ250#1]

as an auto tech. i can tell you they are all junk,but fords are the worst
if it wern't for ford and nopower i would be in the unemployment line
F@#@ED
OVER
REBUILT
DODGE
THAT IS WHAT FORD STANDS FOR.BUY A BOWTIE AND RIDE IN STYLE

[TrikeKid]

Chevy Sucks trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Chebbies Are trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro I refuse to associate with chebby drivers and or owners. chebbies drive like crap ride like they dont have suspension and look like week old horse crap :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Mopars are a real car and Ford rules all trucks cars and vans
ps chevy aint nothing but copy cat wanabes :twisted:

[YTZ250#1]

I KNOW CHEVROLET IS BIG TIME COPPY CAT
THEY STEAL ALL THERE BAD IDEAS FROM FORD :D

[bigred110]

trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro
Over
Rebuilt
Dodges

[kyle]

as a diesel mechanic, i know a little about pick up trucks and heres the scoop. Ford has...best susp. best frame. best 4 wheel drive. they are the best pullin truck and off road truck. chevy has...crappy everything, the only thing chevy has goin for them is the alison auto tranny. dodge has...crap rears, crap tranny, crap drive lines, but good engine power. so ford has all the stock goodness. the perfect truck would be a Ford pickup with its frame, drive line, rears, Dodge cummins turbo diesel, and chevys allison auto tranny. thats the perfect truck. the reason you see so many souped up chevys is because they are very easy and cheap to find aftermarket parts. and thats the only way to make a chevy worth anything is to re do it. i work in the cattle hauling business, i work on semi trucks, but we do have a couple trucks that pull goosneck. they are dodge and they have the engine power but everything else sucks. you hardly ever see a chevy pull a goosneck. you see mostly fords. well im done :D

[YTZ250#1]

You guys need to read and watch more truck reveiws.the ford makes
more torque but thats about it.the chevy has the bigger pay load,can tow
more,rides better,handels better,and the tailgate is lower for easier
loading of cargo(after all trucks are made to haul cargo)i don't think that
lifting a truck does it any good.most people that do that have so much $$
in them that they won't take them off road or work with them.these people
just drive around town THINKING they are cool.oh yeah i almost forgot
i see lots of chevys and gmcs towing fifth wheel trailers.

THIS IS CHEVY COUNTRY ON A QUIT NIGHT YOU CAN HEAR THE FORDS
RUST.
PS THE CHEVY LOOKS BETTER TO.DON'T YOU BUY NO UGLY TRUCK

[Dan Tenn]

I love this argument everytime it comes up. Each one has its good and bad points. There is no such thing as the perfect truck, car, etc.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everybodys got one and they all stink. :-D

[Jeb]

Yes, all opinions stink, here's mine anyway. :-D

Kyle, thanks for posting! It's nice to see someone speak up who actually works on pickups that REALLY haul and not just the pickups that the heaviest load they see is an ATV and a beer cooler on Saturday afternoon or one that some woman drives because of her inferiority complex.

Screw the truck reviews. All that happens is some editor fills the back of a brand new pickup with a load of dirt and then maybe drives it off road in a controlled environment for an afternoon. their off-road and the REAL off road world of the oil field and farm & ranch are worlds different. In the real world of heavy duty every day use, the majority of the time (theres always exceptions) a chevy will be back in for repairs before a ford will. It's been that way for years. If chevy is claimed to be the longest lasting truck on the road average, it's because the majority of them never see a tire off the pavement, never tow a REAL load on a daily basis, or do any work what so ever. When it comes to really using a pickup, around here your hard-pressed to find someone who'll rave about a chevy. Only the ones who do are extremely brand-loyal and their 03 model could be in the shop because the front end went out and they still say its a better truck. :D If it's not just short sighted brand loyalty, they are just weekenders.

I bet if you asked most of the mechanics in the SAME area of work that Kyle is in, they'll tell you the same thing.

[kyle]

thank you jeb :D

[J.D.]

Good to see some people who know what they're talking about. I like Fords just because I do....but I don't get caught up in the FordvsChevy arguments because I have nothing to back up what I think, and a lot of other people(not pointing any fingers) need to do the same. Even tho I'm a Ford guy, one of my(not my alltime favorite, but up there) is the 70's C10s and 20s, I'm getting one before too long and I'm gonna make that motha a 4x4in monsta! That's my 2 cents and I hope I don't make too many enemys with this post ;)

[YTZ250#1]

MAN YOU GUYS ARE REALLY PISSED.SORRY IF I AFENDED ANY OF YOU
FORD FREAKS BUT I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS.AS I SAID BEFORE
I ALSO AM AN AUTO AND TRUCK TECH.AND I HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST
16 YEARS.I JUST PREFER CHEVYS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER TO FIX
AS WELL AS EASIER.MY 88 HAS 160,000 + MILES ON IT AND STILL RUNS
GREAT.I WORK THIS TRUCK PRETTY HARD AND ONLY HAD TO DO MINOR
REPAIRS,U-JOINTS,BRAKES,EXHAUST.I JUST DON'T LIKE THE WAY
FORD BUILDS THERE FRONT ENDS OR THE UNNESESARY GARBAGE ON
THE MOTOR.LIKE I SAID SORRY IF I PISSED YOU OFF I'M JUST GIVING
YOU MY OPINION ON THE BETTER TRUCK FOR YOUR BUCK. PEACE

[lushatc200x]

well fellas i got a thing bout dodge for you. back when they ran the superbees in the nascar circuit nothin could touch them thats y they were forced to seice driving them. and also thats why they started ristricting the race cars because dodge was way ahead of competition. just somethin for you all to think about. dodge f-in rules ford f-in rules and chevy f-in drools.

[HemiChallenger71]

This is the bigest bullshit post ever.... If you guys really knew anything about cars/trucks you'd realize theat they're all about the same. Each manufacture has its strong/weak points and most all of the vhicles are built about the same. Price affects some vheicles in their build quality, but most of the time not.

[TrikeKid]

Your a Mopar guy. listen to your self!

[kyle]

yes i agree with hemi, but, some trucks have more weak points and more strong points, like i listed in my last post. and yes i do know about cars\trucks. thanks

[atc 110]

dodge is the best street machine and ford is the best off road and chevy aint got trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro. I know from experience :twisted:

[lushatc200x]

dont matter if it is. i see everyone in here posting including you hemi. so if your not into cars man leave your opinion out of this conversation cause this is an intense on going argument. like it or not.

[HemiChallenger71]

I must admit I am a mopar man...

[Wickedfinger]

... Oh Boy, I can see no good coming from this thread - please watch the racial slurrs - this ones teetering on locking or removal. Love Moderator Jon

[250SX]

Yes the powerstroke is a good motor & so is the cummins but only b/c ford and dodge didn't make it themselves. I've been in the car business for many years & can tell you that nothing holds its value like a chevy. that's b/c ford and dodge are made of cheap parts with shoddy quality. sure we get lemons of every make & model, but when you compare most fords with 100k to a chevy with 100k the difference is night & day.
I'd rather drive a pontiac than push a mopar any day :D

[Billy Golightly]

Yes the powerstroke is a good motor & so is the cummins but only b/c ford and dodge didn't make it themselves.

Doesn't Chevy have the Isuzu deisels?

[J.D.]

I dunno about Isuzu, but I know they're called "Duramax" and I don't believe they make them...

[Jeb]

I'm not sure who makes that DuraMax diesel. I believe it is Isuzu, But I know it's not GM.

anybody remember their old 350 diesel conversions??? :D :D :D

The 100K comparison mentioned earlier is easily explained. the majority of the Ford pickups at 100K saw allot harder working miles than the Chevy's at 100K. :shock:

It would be interesting to see. Take a chevy 1 ton and an F-350 and work them side by side in a harsh environment for 100k miles being very stringent with factory recommended maintenence on both trucks and then see which is in better shape and which has the longest repair history. :-D

[Billy Golightly]

I'm not sure who makes that DuraMax diesel. I believe it is Isuzu, But I know it's not GM.

Thats what I thought Jeb. How I remember the story going is GM contracted out to Caterpillar to build them a deisel motor, and Caterpillar contracted Isuzu to do it.

[Kilborg]

This argument again? why? This happens all too often...

Now I'll get this out front..I am a hardcore gm fan. I drive a ford right now (as my chevy is down do to some extenuating circumstances casued by yours truly), and I'm actually starting to like it. I will still take a chevy over one any day, but its still not a bad truck.

Now, as a mechanic and with the other various jobs i have had, I can tell you this (and this is not biased whatsoever). Ford is a touch beefier in STOCK form, but this only really applies to heavy work. The ford has stiffer suspension, whereas the chevy is slightly softer to improve the ride (this is most applicable to 1/2 tons and not so much larger models). I feel that GM makes better gas engines, as all the v8's and the 4.3 are excellent engines. The fords are good engines too. Engine wise, I see the chevy as a bit more of a "race" engine, whereas the ford is more like a tractor and makes a very linear powerband. Reliability with the gas engines All years are very comparable, but I give a slight nod to chevy. Tranny wise both have had their good and bad, the same as the rest of the drivetrain. The frames are both very strong, but made very differently so the uneducated will be saying how fords are thicker and therefore stronger.

Deisels are a different story. The engines ford has used have consistantly been much better stockers then the gm's until about now. Let me get one myth out of the way, The 6.2 and 6.5 gm deisels are actually good engines with a little work. The 6.5 td is a very favorable competition for the 7.3 PSD once you drop the compression (it runs fairly high compared to psd) and raise the boost (6lbs stock gm 17lbs sotck psd). The 6.5 needs less boost to make as much horsepower then the psd. Both are very reliable, but stock for stock the psd is nicer. Nowadays the 6.0 is king of the hill but they are having a myriad of problems (mostly injectors), once they get them worked out they will have a fine engine. The 6.6 duramax is a good engine too, and will only improve.

Oh what about dodges? Theyre pretty good too. As far as gas trucks go, all three makes are comparable throughout the years. If you put enough thrashing to break one, it will more then likely put the same hurting on the other brand. Ford and Dodge have ran the better deisels and still run solid front axles on the 1 tons, which gives them a light advantage. I think the Gm IFS is a pretty good system but needs a little improvement still.



Trikekid, you talk to me every night and im a chevy guy...what gives? You should stop being so brand loyal and open your eyes, because the other brands out there are still fine trucks. One thing I have always seemed to notice about ford guys is they are rabid and not open to any other makes for whatever reason. I drive a ford and can't see it....

[ATC crazy]

Kyle and JEB...I agree with you 110%. You make a great point and tell it like it is. ;) I have already "sworn" that I would never get a chevy, but if some little pinch of luck comes my way and I'm offered a chevy for free, I'd take it......but then trade it in for a FORD ASAP. And YZ250#1...Our '91 Ford Aerostar has over 160,000 miles on the 4.0 and all it has needed was a muffler every 5 years or so and one thermostat last summer and it still runs like new. And thats from a VAN! My dad's company gave him a '98 SS-350 chevy truck for his new job and in '00 the company had to put $8,779 in to the engine and transmission alone!!! And by the way, I have never seen a chevy with over 110,000 miles on it in my life.

But the best vehicles are not Ford, Chevy, ot Dodge...But INTERNATIONAL'S (IH)

[Kilborg]

The chevy i recently rolled had nearly 141k on it, never a hiccup. I beat the piss out of it for 30k and my mom drove it before that...it never had a single problem.

The 1980 chevy 3/4 ton my father had ran about 280k on it and still ran graet and had plenty of power. It did need a valve job at this point..we had some carb troubles and blew a rearend with the truck but otherwise it was rock solid. Most of the chevy's we have had were very similar, though we had a few ratboxes *moreso with other brands.

[TrikeKid]

JB u just dont get that Ford and Dodge loyalists must be rabid because we take so much crap from the dark side (GM drivers) we simply get into a bad mood when someone bad mouths our trucks. But I have to admit that ATC Crazy is right IH is the best truck.

[ATC crazy]

Yeah...I have a 1975 International Travelall with the 392ci V-8. My dad bought it in 1988 I think with only 80K miles on it. We had it for a month and then It was put to the test. We pulled a 30' enclosed trailer with everything we owned from Sacramento, CA to Chesapeake, VA...Over the Rocky's, Applachians, ect. 3,350 miles it was if I remember correctly. Not a problem the whole way except the weight stations (yes we actually had to through them...state police order) (ya don't believe me do ya??) Dad said we weighed just over a empty semi with the trailer. After we moved to Roanoke, it sat in the driveway for 7 years, and now its in the garage being restored. We want to convert it to a 4x4 but don't know whether to swap in a front axle or a 4x4 chassis??? Its got around 210k miles now. She still has 90,000 to go before a tune-up ;)

[TrikeKid]

My dad has had about 8 of early fifties IH pickups. IH by far had the best trucks. We curently only have an R-120 that was going to become a 4x4 street rod (yuck) but now it just sits in the shop for me to finish. If i was you i would just swap in a front axel and suspension for your rig. :-D

[kyle]

atc crazy brought up a good point, the new chevys do have a lot of things go wrong, my step dad had a 2000 chevy silverado 4x4 327 v8 vortec. and within the 1st month, 4wd stopped working, electrical took a dive on him, and now he has a 2003 silverado 4x4 same motor, they did make some improvements. im not saying ONLY chevy has problems, cause they all do!!!! but latly i have heard A LOT going wrong with new chevys. i hope im not making any enimies on here :rolleyes: , but i like to speak my mind, i have been around trucks a long time and i see the good the bad and the ugly in them all.

[bigred110]

My 85 elco has over 150k, don't exact realy know because it only goes up tp 99,999 miles miles on my speedo, but I've turned over. And that thing still runs strong, it just leaks oil a little, just needed a new computer and a tranny. We had a mercury sable and I blew that tranny out big time. My friend has gone through like close to a dozen trannys in his mustang, and it's a 4 banger with a 5 spd. And his 390 that he has in his 64 T-bird blew the lifters and needs to get a new engine, he's planning on putting a 350 chevy in it now.

[TrikeKid]

A 350 in a TBird is BS :evil:

[kyle]

350's are a dime a dozen and very cheap and easy to modify.