gearing for mudding??

[bigred1]

Opinions wanted. What do you think is the best trike and tires for some nasty mud bogs also I like doing wood trails that require hill climbs and tight turning I have a 200e and 200m both hard tails one w/ nobbies the other w/ worn Carlisle Strykers once these get mud in them they become slicks the mud won't come out of the treads. Can these rides be decently moddified or should I look at a different ride? only interested in trike input kinda fond of the three wheel thing ya know. THANKS

[84honda200s]

either one is a good mudder. i had a 200s i used to mud with. so id say take that 200m but some 25 inch swamp fox tires on and you will be doing some mudding very well. ive only got mine stuck once and that was in mud that went up past my rear grab bar. took us 2 hours to get out of the mess. but other than that the swamp fox tires treated me pretty good.

[chris200x]

Best trail/mud machine is the 250sx. IMO

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/Mapyangride030-1.jpg
:postwhore :postwhore :postwhore
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/Mapyangride042.jpg
Oh, those mudlites ain't too bad niether. :D

[BigReds Forever]

250sx is good if you need some speed to get momentum through the mud, otherwise Id say the 250es "BIGRED" The 200's will do pretty decent, my 200s keeps up with quite a few quads, but when you get into the really sticky/heavy stuff, it just doesnt have the power to keep them spinning. As for tires, with the 250's, i like either dirtdevils (they dig excellent but there heavy 6plys) or mud lights. With a 200, id go with something a little lighter and less aggressive do to the lack in power. Any light 2 or 4 ply mud tire, or even some good STAGGERED knobbies (no lugs in a row) in a 22" size would do you good.

[bigred1]

no lugs in a row ?? like taking a razor and cutting ??

[Rustytinhorn]

I run 25x12x9 Cheng Shing Knobbies on my Atc200. I am very pleased with them in all terrains and conditions. Lightweight too.

[BigReds Forever]

no, some knobbies have the lugs in a row (in the direction of rotation), (BAD)
http://denniskirk.com/denniskirk/b2c/product_images/k/t/8/600pix/kt856.jpg

and some are staggered (GOOD)
http://denniskirk.com/denniskirk/b2c/product_images/c/8/2/600pix/c829.jpg

[bigred1]

yea didn't think cutting is what you meant but wasn't sure. thanks

[84honda200s]

250sx is good if you need some speed to get momentum through the mud, otherwise Id say the 250es "BIGRED" The 200's will do pretty decent, my 200s keeps up with quite a few quads, but when you get into the really sticky/heavy stuff, it just doesnt have the power to keep them spinning. As for tires, with the 250's, i like either dirtdevils (they dig excellent but there heavy 6plys) or mud lights. With a 200, id go with something a little lighter and less aggressive do to the lack in power. Any light 2 or 4 ply mud tire, or even some good STAGGERED knobbies (no lugs in a row) in a 22" size would do you good.



yea i forgot to mention i ran a 8 tooth sprocket with a few engine mods. a stock 200s wont turn 25 inch swamp fox tires fast enough. sorry for the mix up.

[rally4x4racer]

how are the 200X and 350X in the mud?

[Freakshow]

I like em'! :beer

But I can see how a lil' extra weight from the heavy Red's might help in the traction dept. on slow muddy trails.

I tend to rely on wheelspeed to get me thru the muck. That can be tough and/or dangerous on some trails.... or downright impossible on deeper crossings with slimy bottoms.





Did I just type 'slimy bottoms'??! :confused:

[RedRider_AK]

My 110 was a BEAST in the mud/water.

Best trike for mud is probably the US 90, it would just FLOAT over anything with those big ol' airplane tires.

Actually, the best mudder would probably be a hardtail of some sort, 200s or something. I say this because hardtails are always lighter than suspensioned machines.

I would LOVE to see a 200m with a gear reduction (lower overall gearing) and maybe some 27 inch Outties (Outlaws) or Bi/Tri Claws or Vampires or something. I think it would look pretty nasty!

[BigReds Forever]

To add a little to this, there are (at least in my mind) 2 types of mudding. One of which my raptor 660 is very good at, one of which the 4x4's/Bigreds..... would be good at.

Method one: have some fairly decent tires, and a light machine, hit the holes with some speed, (say 3rd gear) and float over the top of it relying on speed and wheel spin (as freakshow stated). This method works pretty decent, as long as you know what your doing, keep your weight right, and dont loose momentum. (works best when the mud isnt soupy, bottom doesnt matter) Ive successfully made it through some pits with the raptor that buried a grizzly to the racks just by speed alone.

Method 2: BIG tires, lots of power, and dig through the mud. This is where the big machines excel. Just keep your tire speed up, even if the machine is hardly moving, keep shifting your weight and searching for some traction. (works best when there isnt 4' of heavy, sticky mud, soup is just fine, and there is somewhat of a solid bottom). This is when id dig the bigred out. When the mud is too soupy for anything to float, and i need some serious traction. Ive had mud over the racks on that 250 and walked right out of it (verrrrrrrrry slowly).

Thats just my 2 cents. Hope it helps a little. I dont claim to be an expert but ive done my fair share of bogging. Im welcome to new ideas/ criticism on this topic.

[McDerry]

Biggest meats you can find for the 200M and a smaller front sprocket. Big fat front tire with little to no radial traction(doesn't stop for doopy), and the most aggressive thing you can find for the rear. The bigger EXT Outlaws/Gators, Possibly a large set of swamp fox/dirt devils and you'd be getting gobs of traction.


The 200E would work aswell, although, it is a tad bit heavier which cna aid in getting to the bottom, or just bottomed out that much quicker. Mind You low range is convenient with the ability to play in 3rd gear.

[mapyang]

Best trail/mud machine is the 250sx. IMO

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/Mapyangride030-1.jpg
:postwhore :postwhore :postwhore
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/Mapyangride042.jpg
Oh, those mudlites ain't too bad niether. :D

Hey Chris you should know those maxxis all taks on little johns SX work pretty good in mud also, my sx has wooly boogers and worked great going through the clayment at trikefest. Just changed my rear tires to spider tracks 22x12.5x8 on new steel ITP rims they hit the rear brake arm so will be needing some 1.5 inch wheel spacers, Can't wait to try them out.:naughty:
Drew

[chris200x]

Hey Drew! Long time no speak. :beer

I couldn't agree with you more... Boogers are great mud/trail tires.. and as for the Maxxis.. well I'm quite familar with those too! :naughty:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/chrisr200x/swingarmpics219.jpg

[DOG987]

I had a 200s, and I bought some mudbug tires they were awsome in the mud!
and did ok on trails but you have to keep them off pavment, it will eat'em up quick

[bigred1]

How can I determine bolt pattern on my 200m/200e three wheelers? Does anyone know of different wheel options, or can I only use standard 9x9 steel wheels

[McDerry]

Should be 4/150

[84honda200s]

I had a 200s, and I bought some mudbug tires they were awsome in the mud!
and did ok on trails but you have to keep them off pavment, it will eat'em up quick




thats why i had swamp fox tires. i took my trike up down the roads as much as i did threw the mud. them swamp fox tires held up great. still are holding too. i only payed 50 bux each brand new for them here in town.

[bigred1]

not sure why took so long to find a sight with a larger selection of 25x12x9 tires but this seems to be a descent one www.denniskirk.com (not sure how to add a link in message yet) also can someone tell me how to add part of a previous post (like a quote) to a new post

[RedRider_AK]

Yeah, Dennis Kirk is a good site. I don't like their new search method, but to each their own.

[stoney420]

hey bigred1 you just taught urself how to add the link into the message lol just type the url like you did or copy/paste the url from the website,..... and to quote somebodys message look at the bottom right of each post and ull see it says "quote" just click on that and it will open up the reply window with the quote in it...
oh and as for the tires yes dennis kirk is a pretty good site for tires and many other parts, some of their tire prices are a little high but one thing to note is they have a "low price guarantee" for tires so if you find them cheaper shipped to your door on any other website (excluding ebay) they will beat it by a buck, i know its only a buck but its nice if you find them on a smaller not very well known website that u dont really trust and i order from them quite a bit so its just kinda nice to have the lowest price from a website u know u can trust with fast shipping, 30 day money back guarantee and etc, and its free shipping if the order is over $100!
also, here are a couple of other links to check out for tires and etc
www.rockymountainatv.com is cheap and has a nice tire selection with free shipping on orders over 100$, they also have a few other parts for our trikes..
trax motorsports is also another place with a huge tire selection heres their link http://traxms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=ATV-Products-Tires
and heres another site that i dont know much about but looks like they have pretty good prices and some SERIOUS looking mud tires! http://www.mud-throwers.com/atv_mud_tires
sry for the long post lol hope it helps, :beer
~Stoney~

[bigred1]

hey bigred1 you just taught urself how to add the link into the message lol just type the url like you did or copy/paste the url from the website,..... and to quote somebodys message look at the bottom right of each post and ull see it says "quote" just click on that and it will open up the reply window with the quote in it...
oh and as for the tires yes dennis kirk is a pretty good site for tires and many other parts, some of their tire prices are a little high but one thing to note is they have a "low price guarantee" for tires so if you find them cheaper shipped to your door on any other website (excluding ebay) they will beat it by a buck, i know its only a buck but its nice if you find them on a smaller not very well known website that u dont really trust and i order from them quite a bit so its just kinda nice to have the lowest price from a website u know u can trust with fast shipping, 30 day money back guarantee and etc, and its free shipping if the order is over $100!
also, here are a couple of other links to check out for tires and etc
www.rockymountainatv.com is cheap and has a nice tire selection with free shipping on orders over 100$, they also have a few other parts for our trikes..
trax motorsports is also another place with a huge tire selection heres their link http://traxms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=ATV-Products-Tires
and heres another site that i dont know much about but looks like they have pretty good prices and some SERIOUS looking mud tires! http://www.mud-throwers.com/atv_mud_tires
sry for the long post lol hope it helps, :beer
~Stoney~

yea guess that was prety easy huh, thanks for the tips and i'll look into those other sites

[bigred1]

using a smaller front sprocket will lower my gearing right? so my question is would it be harder for my 200 to sling mud out of the treads do to lower tire speed or should i look at a smaller rear sprocket to turn tires faster?? i think i figured that right let me know if i'm not understanding this right. thanks

[ccdhowell]

With a smaller front sprocket, with a given tire speed, the engine speed will be more, and thus, give more torque to turn more agressive tires, at least that's the idea. A larger rear sprocket slow engine speed for a given tire speed, maybe slows it too much and not enough torque to turn the big meats, you bog down; have too much traction and not enough power to turn the wheels. You probably want to drop one tooth on the front sprocket and try it. It will feel noticably more jumpy, wind out sooner in each gear and sling mud like there's no tomorrow. Good luck, Chris

[McDerry]

I personally mud my 200e in low range. You end up using 3rd gear in most stuff but you have two gears lower if the mud is thicker.

I'm running dirt devils on the rear and a turfbuster upfront.