84 200es now runnin!!!

[neo19672000]

All right here we go again its been a while but time to get back to the ES while i'm waiting on parts for the 200X's. This is what Ive done; new rings/exhaust, battery 2nd one, 2 wireing kits, plugs, cdi, pulse unit, coil, starter relay and button. Yet it still wont turn over. I have traced and retraced the wireing schematic over and over and figuer it out. the reason for the new wireing kits was the guy I got it from had bypassed the starter relay and I didnt realize it and ran it for a while. I have it ran the same as the schematic minus the 12V outlet, and cant even get the Nuetral light to come on. Any help would be greatly apppreciated, or if anybody can give directions (easy ones) on how to bypass the key switch or what ever. oh ya I dont have a pull starter either just a cover guts are missing. Thanks in advance - Brock

[atc4everbob]

Are you sure your neutral safety switch isn't bad? I had an '83 Big Red with that problem. Drove me nuts. Ended up being the neutral safety switch. I just bypassed mine finally after I figured out what it was. It would then start while in gear, but oh well. Will the starter engage if you jump the solenoid terminals in the back? Also, can you jump the starter itself with a battery charger? If so, and you've been through the wiring, sounds like the neutral safety switch. The '83 switch is located on the left side and runs in with the stator wiring. GOOD LUCK.

[neo19672000]

yes i can jump it via stait to starter or relay. how do i bypass the N safety switch?

[atc4everbob]

You would have to ask. It's been a while for me and mine was an '83, so bear with me. You will have a green wire with a red stripe coming out of the left side of your engine, above the stator cover. According to the wiring diagram, there may be more then one wire that is this color, so be careful. What you can do is shave a tiny bit of insulation off this wire that is in a good location, preferably kinda out of sight. Make up a test lead with about 5 or 6 feet of wire and strip both ends. Touch the small bare spot of wire with your test lead and touch the other end to the SMALL terminal on your starter relay. You should now be able to crank it. Your neutral safety switch is tied directly to your starter button. Now you will sending 12v directly to your solenoid (relay). I can almost guarantee this is your problem. The only downfalls are now the bike will start in gear and you probably won't have a neutral indicator, but as long as you know that. You can always go in and check the switch when you get time. Once figured out, you'll then get your indicator light back. If your test lead works, use a scotch lock splice and you won't have to cut any wiring. GOOD LUCK AND LET ME KNOW IF IT WORKS!!!

[neo19672000]

I have tryed this bypass and there must be a difference between the years because all it does now is crank the starterwith the key switch on. It will not fire, I have spark. The start button doesn't seem to effect it at all does not work just turn key and the starter kicks in. I'm sure I do have a bad neutral safety switch so anybody have any other ideas for me to try, please. thanks-Brock

[neo19672000]

Can anybody give me direction on how to bypass a nuetral safety switch on an 84 200es big red?

[ccdhowell]

Man, I wish I could help. I am watching this thread with interest though, I'm rebuilding a 84 Big Red right now and I may encounter this when I get that far. Good luck and pass along the trick when you find out. Chris

[Nick_R_23]

It sounds like the neutral switch to me, but I would double check your wiring, it seems like you might have a wire backwards or something. Also check your start button, I went thru 3 of them on my Big Red before I found a good one.

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[atc4everbob]

Hey Brock, it sounds like you may have the wrong wire jumped. I just checked the '84 wiring diagram. If it's cranking immediately after you turn the key, then you're essentially bypassing the starter button, not the neutral safety switch. The diagram shows both the starter button wires and the NSS are green/red stripe. Are you positive that you're on the NSS wire and not the starter button wire? The Inhibitor Relay also has 2 green/red wires leading to it, but I'm unsure whether or not they run down with the stator wires. I wouldn't think they do. Don't give up now, man. We're getting close. I've never actually been into a NSS and am even unsure as to where it is exactly, but if you don't have much luck doing some additional poking around, hell, tear into it and see what's going on. There may be a slotted mount on the NSS that just needs adjusted - I don't know. I don't believe it can be that complicated to access, but maybe I'm wrong. I can't see Honda burying a simple switch deep inside their engines. If anyone else has been into these, please shed some additional light on this guy. It has to be frustrating. Just remember though, you're CLOSE to resolving this. Sorry I couldn't explain in detail how to access this NSS. Maybe someone with a manual can look this up and chime in. Good luck.

[neo19672000]

Thanks for helping for starters (no pun intended). The start button wires are green w/red stripe but its light green and dark green. I tapped into the nss wire about 2 inches above where it comes out the case. I have poked prodded and and any other p word to this thing. I guess its beyond my know how. I'm about to rip it apart to see WTF... I dont know i'm at a loss right now, besides I'm at work so I'll mess with it some more tomarrow.

[atc4everbob]

Brock, I'm really glad to see you're not giving up on this. I know you're close to resolving this. Rip that puppy apart and post up what you see in there! Hopefully, the only "specialty tool" that you'll need is a flywheel puller. If you don't have one, they're cheaply priced. I get mine on ebay from "bikerchicksltd". They are out of Florida, they have them in stock, and you will receive it in 3 days or less. If you want to borrow mine, I'll gladly ship it to you providing you return it when you complete the teardown. Let us know what you find.

[neo19672000]

OK lets start off with BOB was right :beer . It was the green w/ red wire the dark one not the light one. The dark G/R wire is up in the main cluster @ the branch going to the alternater bundle. So now I have a bypassed NSS but :eek: now it will not fire. I have nice blue white spark (plug out) but it wont fire with plug in ???. Put a new NGK DR8ES-L plug in and replaced the coil wire. I have gone through the carb and rebuilt it with a new Moose kit, replaced the petcock, fuel filter and line. 1 problem down, next one to go, any ideas??? Thanks, Brock

[neo19672000]

HEY DUMB *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* are you a 180 out?:wondering Well yes I was :crazy: , now I'm not and guess what it runs fine other than an idleing problem. Runs none the less :w00t: Thanks to everyone that gave me some great input, ATC4everBOB couldn't have done it without ya. Funny thing is the nuetral light comes on when in Nuetral while its running. THNX ALL, Brock