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dirt bike dan
09-23-2007, 04:43 AM
it seems over time the general cc range of atvs has more than doubled. the 350x was the biggest mainstream 3wheeler. now its not even quite a mid size, the 400cc class is. also atvs are up to 800 plus cc's now. not to mention a beginner quad is a 250! how does your trikes compare to todays larger motored atvs? my little 185 still can lead the pack except on top speed.
:w00t:

Dammit!
09-23-2007, 04:50 AM
The 2-strokes with just a little work done can still hold their own (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwbWzwyYNA).

350Xhilaration
09-23-2007, 08:37 AM
My 350X can't hold the jock of most modern thumpers as far as performance goes.

350xBomb
09-23-2007, 08:43 AM
My buddys got a 700 raptor and drag racin in the sand with my 86R were neck and neck. he sure as hell aint 5 thousand dollars faster than me.

Billy Golightly
09-23-2007, 09:56 AM
At last nights flat track race, Walter (350X) and I (250R, of course) were both started on the back row in 2 heats, and the feature and by the time the quads were getting to the first corner we were on their asses hard enough we had to put the brakes. This was 2 YFZ's, and a 450R if I remember correctly.

Dirtcrasher
09-23-2007, 09:56 AM
My buddys got a 700 raptor and drag racin in the sand with my 86R were neck and neck. he sure as hell aint 5 thousand dollars faster than me.


Good point... A 1500$ ATC can still keep up or beat most 6000$ machines out there.

250rAL
09-23-2007, 10:49 AM
I can hang with modded 450's in a drag race but they usually get the jump on me at the line. They can just launch at full throttle and hang on whereas I have to finesse it to keep from going over backwards. As far as the 400's go, they haven't got a prayer.

oldsking86
09-23-2007, 11:02 AM
Yep for price of our trikes compared to these new high dollar 4 spokes we can def hold our own! Actually for the racing part my bike does pretty well, depending on who gets the holeshot in a 300ft race, though anything beyond that, once I click 4th and into 5th it's all down hill for those quads hehe

topoortorideon4
09-23-2007, 11:51 AM
my question is can an 84 r hang with them as well?Is there a huge difference in speed with a stock 84 and a stock 85,86?

ATC-Eric
09-23-2007, 12:16 PM
My modded Z with my holeshots in the sand can hang right with modded DS650's, Raptors, and 450's. Everytime I was neck and neck with the big dawgs. Next time Im busting out the paddles, I have been bringing them with me for a bit, and Im always to lazy to put them on.

toocheaptosmoke
09-23-2007, 02:45 PM
my question is can an 84 r hang with them as well?Is there a huge difference in speed with a stock 84 and a stock 85,86?

I wish I had the oppurtunity to ride a l/c R just to see the difference between the two. My air fooler has some grunt, but it isn't exactly stock either.

SYKO
09-23-2007, 03:16 PM
my question is can an 84 r hang with them as well?Is there a huge difference in speed with a stock 84 and a stock 85,86?

to be honest im not sure Ive always had a 300 air fooler and my liquid flat tracker, I have deffinitly had more fun on my air fooler in the trails and riding then when I had my liquid as a rider, its got stupid amount of tourqe and would reach speed quicker then when I had just minor bolt ons on my liquid,

dirt bike dan
09-24-2007, 12:33 AM
i guess the two strokes can take on the new bikes in drags. i think on trails its just the rider not always the fastest bike.

Kintore
09-24-2007, 10:36 AM
Was just as the Silver lake dunes. Z 400's, and 400exs werent a problem. 700s it was whoever got the holeshot. 660's I usually beat them and I stayed dead even with a few 450s.

Mosh
09-24-2007, 06:09 PM
I hold my own against heavy modded 450's:D
http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/?action=view&current=uvs070923-013.flv

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/?action=view&current=uvs070923-015.flv

84honda200s
09-24-2007, 06:17 PM
nice racing there mosh. trikes are under estimated by allot of people. until they see the big bore guys getting beat or nearly beat by our trikes.

Mosh
09-24-2007, 06:21 PM
Yeah nothin like rollin up to a brand new quad and gettin The Win with a 20 year old trike

84honda200s
09-24-2007, 06:59 PM
Yeah nothin like rollin up to a brand new quad and gettin The Win with a 20 year old trike




hell yea !!! its guys like you that keep it real. i make a crappy racer on/in anything but a sled. im glad there are good racers that own trikes.

Yamada
09-24-2007, 07:13 PM
My ytm-200e shaft still own it own. I was on a Artic Cat 500 4x4 with a CVT tranny and I raced my cousin on the ytm. I beat it on the line, my cousin missed a shift and I got 3-4 bike lenght in front of him. But by the time I reach top speed ( 55 mph on the dash) my cousin flyed by me and he was still gaining speed. When I sayed at my buddy that own the artic cat that the trike wins again his quad he was like. Whatt???

1upfront
09-24-2007, 07:21 PM
I can spank all sorts of 450's with my airfooler 300r and I've even smoked predators and 700r raptor's no problem.

ChrisD
09-24-2007, 09:55 PM
Blaaahhh....They are nothing for my 330,...but then again I could probably buy 2 quads for the money....:(

However, you don't get the respect nor the attention you do when you have a rippin' threewheeler :p

Enigma
09-24-2007, 11:36 PM
Thats a great video Dammit, it gave me some desert withdrawals. I just got my tecate back together this weekend and Im itching to take it now now.

But on topic my mostly stock tecate holds its own in the drags. A friends dad has a ds650 and I smoke him every time, even if he get the hole shot. My cousin has a trx450 and I can get him more often then not.

oldsking86
09-24-2007, 11:53 PM
This was a race between my bike and my buddies trx450.. Both had a good launch (except mine spins just a tad due to the set up hehe) and the survey says...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRXyKE67atc

20 years in the making baby; Shake N Bake!

350Xhilaration
09-25-2007, 07:43 AM
Not too many 4 stroke trike comparisons...

Wonder why, is it because not too many guys have modified them or they just haven't posted?

Like I said earlier, performance wise, my stocker can only hang with a stock 400EX in a drag race. Anything bigger than that it's over. I know some guys have Powroll kits and other mods. I'd like to hear how they compare if anyone has a story.

NOS350X, 452X (now goes by dividebyzero), other guys with modded 350Xs...any pics, vids, stories??

oldsking86
09-25-2007, 11:23 AM
Yea I'd be curious to hear about these big bore 350x's or even better some vids of em in competition haha

mark38090
09-25-2007, 05:23 PM
Mine doesn't have a payment ...

mdskinner731
09-25-2007, 05:57 PM
how about the new suzuki lt r450's?? iv rode one of those and i couldnt imagine a three wheeler w/ that much power... then again i do only have a lil 110...

dirt bike dan
09-25-2007, 06:09 PM
i was wondering the same about the 4strokes. the two strokes push out power of a double sized 4 stroke so i see how they hang w todays 450s but those new atvs are ridiculous even stock how fast they are! out of all atcs atvs if seen the banshee when modified has always won. How does your smaller non race 3wheelers handg w the new atvs on weekend rides????? my 185 will roll w everybodys new a†vs(utility) on weekend rides no prob.

1upfront
09-25-2007, 07:54 PM
how about the new suzuki lt r450's?? iv rode one of those and i couldnt imagine a three wheeler w/ that much power... then again i do only have a lil 110...

Here's me smoking a built yfz450 with 4snow's in the rear I believe he's sponsored by Cames sports.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/th_uvs070909-005.jpg (http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e183/lrdunlap/?action=view&current=uvs070909-005.flv)

VenomRS4
09-25-2007, 09:19 PM
I think stock for stock, the new 450 race quads are very close to the liquid cooled race trikes....I think it will depend on who gets the hole shot. My Tri-Z is lightly modded and ive won races aginst trx 450Rs, lt 450Rs, etc......but ive also lost just as many times.

3Razors
09-25-2007, 10:50 PM
how about the new suzuki lt r450's?? iv rode one of those and i couldnt imagine a three wheeler w/ that much power... then again i do only have a lil 110...

I have the LTR450 and it is a good machine but not as amazing as the mags want you to believe. It puts out about 50hp with the lid off, baffle removed, and cherry bomb. This is comparable to the 250 based 2 stroke trikes with pipe/carb and mild porting setups. The 450's put out more torque than the 250's but the 250's have more overrev RPM's.

Even still with all this 4 stroke technology cc for cc the 4 strokes are not as fast as the 2 strokes.

tdup
09-26-2007, 11:18 AM
This weekend at Little Sahara I raced several 400-440 ex's and L400's at the drags. I won most of the time by a length or two with the piped and jetted 400's. Lost every race with the 440 ex's race fueled quads. The most was by about 3 lenghts. Even with losing to the big bore 440 fueled and cammed ex's. Piped and jetted L400s 6-8 lenths behind. They just kept going on about how fast my 350x (stock) is. They all thought they would walk away from me.

Then we started drifting the lips of the large dunes. They thought an ATC couldn't do it. LOL. Some of the larger dunes have a deep pond at the bottom right now. You had better make they drift. 2 of the quads went swimming.

The thing that impressed them the most was: I let 3 different guys ride my trike. And all 3 wrecked within 2 or 3 min. Then my 12 year old son hopped of his warrior jumped on my 350x and started hitting some dune. No wreck. LOL

He started riding trikes at 5.

He even took the warrior back to camp and got his 200x for some father son old schooling. That was a blast. We had to wait for some of the group at the end of the cowboy run. They let my son lead thinking everyone would have to wait on the 200x trike. Another miss judgement.

Performance is always based on rider ability 1st, application of machine second, Power 3rd.

johnny's X
09-26-2007, 12:18 PM
Now I have a 350x and can keep up in the trails with all these big bore machines. Went riding a few weeks ago with a heavy heavy modded 450r. needless to say he got pulled home and the 22 year old was pulling. hahaha. He has 20g's into that thing and blew a hole big enough to put yout first through on the bottom end. A 350x can keep up trail riding but not in a drag race, but how often you drag racing in the trails.

Tecate250
09-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Well when the trail widens... Never really draged alot. Just with my Old tecate 4.
I hope to get doing some in the future.

dirt bike dan
09-27-2007, 01:08 PM
everybody keeps talkin about drag racin the two strokes, but what about the sport 3whlrs? i had a honda 110 for many yrs. and had to push it beyondi its limits to keep up w these new huge atvs but it did manage. hows your tri-motos, atcs and other non racing trikes keeping up these days. the 250 two strokes are alot of fun, but alot of us prefer a sport utility 3whlr for trail use. as for speed theres just no beating a kx500 dirtbike flat out!

mdskinner731
09-27-2007, 03:03 PM
ya iv been in some pretty hard to reach places on my lil' 110 that my friends on their four wheelers shake their head and wonder how i got there... iv been in mud the was bottomless and the lil' thing just "floated" across it... and thats with cheep carilse trail pro tires on it

ChrisD
09-27-2007, 07:54 PM
Here is the only comparisons I have.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2181191103711095662&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4002238338968952940&hl=en

the second video unfortunatley ended in a spin out, but I had a flat front tire and didn't know it....still took him in the turns though...

sandpuppi101
09-29-2007, 09:24 AM
Ah' Good topic.. That's deffinatly one thing that I love about my ATC 600X,it look's basically like a regular 350X but when I put the hammer down on the throttle and walk by the 450's and 600's ,I just laugh.I never raced the 450 trike conversion's yet ,but as far as the quad's,it's not even close.

dirt bike dan
09-30-2007, 06:10 AM
that 600x is badass, good idea!! does it work on trails well too? too bad nobody made any big bore trikes back in the day

sandpuppi101
09-30-2007, 09:37 AM
Yeah it's an absolute blast in the trail's ,none of the shifting ,I just keep it in 2nd ,lug the corner's and hit the gas when needed..I'm excited to get this thing out on the ice this year and put the hammer down.

dirt bike dan
10-04-2007, 03:39 PM
staying on the drag racin subject, my klt will take a new big bear 400, and the new honda 400 off the line and roll w the new honda 250ex and suzuki 250 sport quads.