350X!!! BAH!! running again!! but sadly....its still a 4stroke......

[SYKO]

BAH! take my 350x apart to paint and such and now the thing wont start!! BAH! wtf?! everyonce and a while it might pop 1 or 2 times but thats it!!! no spark!!! WTF!! and you better believe ive been through the list on this thing, everything grounded bare metal, all conections clean and tight coil/plug all good BAH!

dont have a mulitmeter to test right now either BAH!

im pissed

taking it to the shop tomorow and let them F with it! BAH!



thats all I had to vent......



:banned:

[wad]

Have you put the spark plug in?



















lol
Just kidding dude,
What a shitter, i did a xr400 around 3 years ago and i had the same problem and it turned out to be a fooked sparked plug.

[edog]

It's pissed at you for painting it neon colors.You need to bless it with holly paint thiner to exercise the evil neon paint demons.:naughty:


Now go turn the petcock on and fire that baby up!:w00t:

[threewheelin-feelin]

dont take it to a shop thats the punk way out lol...try another coil and plug and wiggle all your wires...a wire could be loose inside the plug...that happendon my 350x right wear they connect to that stator

[SYKO]

dude Ive done everthing including taking the coi wire and threading the plug into it! the gas is on edog..... all conections are clean and tight tripple checked, dude beleive me I dont leave anything unturned!! just dont have time to F with it.

[scrawny]

hmmm something up in the kill switch?

hope if you do take her in, its not something that soooo f'in easy that a 5th grader could do it. that would pi$$ me off more than struggling with the x myself...

[Billy Golightly]

Remove the neon green paint from the coil mounting points and also the ground wire... :lol:

[SYKO]

yep 2 new plugs and NO green paint any where near a ground or mount, hell blazer ones neon sign 350x ran!!! mines not that bad!!

and I know what and how to test for electrical probs but have no way TO test for them right now!

[edog]

Maybe you "probe"is to small to do the job.



Give her the either!

[Dirtcrasher]

I'm beatin a dead horse here but it must be electrical. Maybe one of the pins in the connectors got pushed back a bit and isn't making contact.

I've heard so many stories about how 350X's won't start. I'm not having this problem ever. This beyatch has started in 1,2 or 3 kicks since the day I got not. Not to mention the HRC 450R exhaust I put on and the jetting I did with a drill bit and a Rigid 24V drill....

If it ran before, it's something STUPID.

[250rfreak]

whats up with the neon thing syko did you make it a girly bike or somthin?

[edog]

I will send my duckbill.That should give it the boost it need to start it.


It said on the cover adds 15 horse power just sitting still.:D


Now go check the blinker fluid.:w00t:


Do you own a owners manual?

[scrawny]

girly as that avatar?^^ :D

[edog]

whats up with the neon thing syko did you make it a girly bike or somthin?

Ow no he didn't....its on

Why yes...he did.:D

[riverrat]

BAH! take my 350x apart to paint and such and now the thing wont start!! BAH! wtf?! everyonce and a while it might pop 1 or 2 times but thats it!!! no spark!!! WTF!! and you better believe ive been through the list on this thing, everything grounded bare metal, all conections clean and tight coil/plug all good BAH!

dont have a mulitmeter to test right now either BAH!

im pissed

taking it to the shop tomorow and let them F with it! BAH!



thats all I had to vent......



:banned:

Seee, 3\wheelers are dangerous :D :D :D

Dude buy a multi meter. A cheap one is like $10.

[edog]

You could make one out of a potato and a cheap digital watch.:postwhore

[Yamada]

:postwhore
You scared your X with this neon green paint. He must think he get a disease from a yamaha and he is slowly turning yellow.:lol: :lol: :lock::banned:
He won't start until you paint it back white and red
Seriously, I wish for you that you will find the problem quick.

[SYKO]

edog..... as we speak im buiding a NOS hondaline PIPE BOMB for your azz!! yea I know it something simple and stupid, yea I know I can fix it, I dont need any parts from anyone, I will pick me up a multimeter tomorow, Yes i know its something electrical, yes it pisses me right the F off, and I have manuals for all my machines, and I pray to whatever god or gods there are in the heavens that EDOG you get every little basdard problem with your 250R now, no gas, no spark, miss shifting, coolant lossing, cracked reeds, or better yet a nice little tumble in the brush where you get dumped on your AZZ and you get to watch all your hondaline crap get ripped off your R and destroyed, man Im in such a giving mood now!!! edog I need your address.....thanx!

[edog]

edog..... as we speak im buiding a NOS hondaline PIPE BOMB for your azz!! yea I know it something simple and stupid, yea I know I can fix it, I dont need any parts from anyone, I will pick me up a multimeter tomorow, Yes i know its something electrical, yes it pisses me right the F off, and I have manuals for all my machines, and I pray to whatever god or gods there are in the heavens that EDOG you get every little basdard problem with your 250R now, no gas, no spark, miss shifting, coolant lossing, cracked reeds, or better yet a nice little tumble in the brush where you get dumped on your AZZ and you get to watch all your hondaline crap get ripped off your R and destroyed, man Im in such a giving mood now!!! edog I need your address.....thanx!


You know none of these problems will ever happen to me.
















Cause I don't ride.:lol:





Let me call up a priest to exsercise that neon turd you call a 350X.:p

You new this was going to happen when you got your 350X.The "others" have put a curse on your 350X.:shiftyeyes:







I know what you did wrong .....you put the spark plug in upside down.Now go turn it around and fire that biatch up!!!!!!:lol: :lol: :w00t: :welcome:

[randall_pitz]

my big red does this some times just usein the pull rope it has no fire but if i drag it with something it will fire up a run fine and start off the rope until it sits for a while then i just pull it again

[NOS_350X]

Well when i swaped frames with one of my X's put it back together i was going through the same thing. Turned out the cdi went bad. Ran when i took it appart. Was a headach too, but i fianly started pulling parts off of other x's i have and got it figured out fast.

[SWIGIN]

make sure the motor is grounding through the motor mounts.

or run a wire from the valve cover to the harness ground

[SYKO]

make sure the motor is grounding through the motor mounts.

or run a wire from the valve cover to the harness ground


I grind all the mounts to make sure they have metel to metal contact, what get me it every once in a while will POP once or twice and thats all I get.

[Dustin87R]

Did you take the on/off switch apart and clean the contacts?

[DeePa]

anything with timing issues? did you take the top end apart?

[atckowalski]

This sounds all familiar to me.I had the same symptoms on my 350x for a long time. It turned out to be not one but two wires in the harness between the gas tank area to the mid seat area had somehow separated(looked like they were cut but the original insulator was still in tact)and were not always making contact although they were sometimes. Get the meter, set it on ring, touch the wires together to make sure it rings, then trace down the groung wire by the ignition coil, then trace down the other end and apply the leads to each end. It should ring if it is making contact. Do this to the wire running to the coil and any other wires that I can't think of, involving the spark circuit.
If you don't find a meter there is a good chance that if you tear into the wire harness you should be able to spot it.
That is the first time I have seen anything like that btw
Good luck

[Eric250R]

Ok, not even putting in my 2cents about the X, took me for ever to get mine right. Also, if Edog's house blows up anytime soon I'll pretend I know nothing...:lol: But I must see this thing, I've seen the pics of the frame being painted, but I got to see the finished product. :lol: :w00t:

[threewheelin-feelin]

have you check the spark plug wire it self?

[scrawny]

edog, i know you fixed me up with a sig and everything, but putting a curse on a 350x?? *backing up to give a 30' running hay maker* that better not be why mine gives me fits every once and a while...

[Erics350x]

Step back a take a breath, now look at the simple stupid crap. Is there gas in it, is it turned on, ect..?
Have you pulled the plug out and cranked it over to see if you have spark?

[SYKO]

ok straight up this is what I have checked


1 all conections = tight and clean none not connected
2 grounds= all are metal to metal contact including engine to mounts and to frame
3 coil wire= coil wire is in great shape, even took the boot off and made direct contact between coil and plug, no dice
4 plug= 2 new plugs tried, negative in the dice dept
5 gas= has gas going to carb and gs making it into cyl

now I guess I have to check all OHM reading on the electrical parts now

[scrawny]

i think they want you to stick your pinky in the plug cap, then jump on the kicker with both feet...any reaction? *holding microphone towards you*

[SYKO]

DONE that no dice either, mic back to you sir.

[scrawny]

:beer :lol:

[fla 2-stroke]

al,try to drag it down the road with something and see if it will fire.

[SYKO]

WELL I screwed around with it some more for a few minutes, and after kicking a bunch it let out an insane backfire! I mean INSANE! and thats all I could get it to do, I tripple checked all conections, unraveled the harness tape to see if all the wires are in good shape in witch they were, so the only thing I can think off since it backfires like that is the stator, hopefully its jsut dirty, so I will pull off the side cover later and see what I can deduct.

[Tri-ZNate]

Syko, have you had someone pull you? I had to pull brapp's pretty 350 because it got loaded up so bad from trying to kick it. Kept backfiring everynow and then. Pulled it half a mile and it cleaned itself out.

[SYKO]

what pulled it in gear? turned on or off? I will try that later when my neighbors kid comes over with his quad

[NOS_350X]

No, just try and pull start it, 3 or 4th gear, get it to turn over fast enoguh that hopefuly it will start.

[atckowalski]

Try a resistence test on the primary coil(inside left side cover)I had one on my Tecate that was hit and miss.I think you need to get a meter to varify your tests.

[Tri-ZNate]

what pulled it in gear?


A Quadsport :Bounce

[trikeracer_69X]

wow not the only one having 350x problems i see

[SYKO]

well got my neighbors kid to come over and we pulled this beast, dumped it into third and it slowly came to life, got it running rode it around my property for about 8 laps, shut it down put my helmet on started it back up 3-4 kicks and rode out on the dirt roads for a few mins..

ok its runs now but

sputtering bad, I plan on cleaning the carb out well tomorow or friday


not a whole lot of power, WOT it might go 55mph, I can verifie this as my neighbors kid wasnt loosing ground on me with his 250 big bear

and last, I put a clear vent line from my stator cover, and its full of condensation, should I be worried that water is in with the stator possibly?

let me know dudes

[hrc200x]

One of the lower front 8mm head bolts that hold the left side cover on should also double as a drain, take it out, and blow through the vent line on top (NOT with an air compressor) and see if anything comes out, might help to shake the machine around a bit, there should be no oil behind that side cover on a 350x. If there is water maybe the coils are just rusted up.

[SYKO]

really? I didnt know that? is that in the manual?? reason being there might be water in there is after I reasembled the motor I presure washed it so I could get it super clean to put fresh paint on it, I thought I had everything sealed all the way, maybe some made it in there.

[Erics350x]

Take the stator cover off and clean the stator and flywheel with 320 grit paper. Also take a look at your switch assy., if you painted the bars.

[hrc200x]

Its listed in the owners manual, not the shop manual that I've found. Says if you ride in water over 12 inches deep water can enter the left side cover throught the vent line and to drain water immediatly. It appears like its the bolt right behind the rubber part of the shifter.

[SYKO]

thanx for that! I will check it out tommorow, I may in fact take the cover off again jsut to inspect everything anyway.

[Eric250R]

well got my neighbors kid to come over and we pulled this beast, dumped it into third and it slowly came to life, got it running rode it around my property for about 8 laps, shut it down put my helmet on started it back up 3-4 kicks and rode out on the dirt roads for a few mins..

ok its runs now but

sputtering bad, I plan on cleaning the carb out well tomorow or friday


not a whole lot of power, WOT it might go 55mph, I can verifie this as my neighbors kid wasnt loosing ground on me with his 250 big bear

and last, I put a clear vent line from my stator cover, and its full of condensation, should I be worried that water is in with the stator possibly?

let me know dudes

This is almost EXACTLY what happened to mine. I let it sit for about a year, and it would not start, no way. Had my brother pull me off in 4th gear and it fired right up. But, it didn't run for crap. We tried for a month to get it right and coul not figure it. It was impossible to kick, and when ( on rare occasions ) it did fire up, I could outrun it on a bicycle. Then it came to me..... it had jumped time. Couldn't say how, it ran perfect when I parked it, but apparently on that first kick it gave way. Not saying that's what's wrong with yours, but sounds close.

[SYKO]

hmmmm..... how could have it jumped time? I mean I did take the rocker cover off, but absolutly nothing ele was messed with, didnt touch the cam or anything, I kinda feal like that may have happeded as well, but how?? did you ever figure it out and fixed it?

[Eric250R]

Don't have a clue how it happened, ran great when I parked it. Didn't touch it for about a year, rolled it out, kicked the hell out of it, and nothing. The chain just decided to stretch. Put in a new chain and ran perfect.

[DeePa]

skyo, was the motor run frequently before you got the trike? maybe you riding it stretched the cam chain out, then it just happened to skip after you had it out of the frame.

[Somekindofjerk]

Your handlebar is the ground for the killswitch. if you have painted handlebars or a broken switch it will not start or it may make and break connection and fire every now and again. Allso... if you check your ign coil from pos. post to neg. post on resistance test it should be very low... But if you test from the pos. post to the plug wire it should be a few K ohms

[SYKO]

wtf?!! ive never heard of anything like that?!! what?! you dont even need a switch to run as the ground when contacted through the switch cuts the moto off

[Erics350x]

Your handlebar is the ground for the killswitch. if you have painted handlebars or a broken switch it will not start or it may make and break connection and fire every now and again. Allso... if you check your ign coil from pos. post to neg. post on resistance test it should be very low... But if you test from the pos. post to the plug wire it should be a few K ohms

its happened to me on a bike with electric start though. it depends on the switch some grond to kill and some make a connection for spark.

[SYKO]

well I figured that it ha a really weak spark and thats why it can be pulled off and started, so I just pulled the stator side cover off, and found that oil has migrated its way into the stator are and coated everything with oil, I dont have an extra gasket, but I plan on getting some serious gasket maker after cleaning the stator and fly wheel and eaving the drain hole open just in case, this should keep me riding this weekend untill I get a new gasket for that side

[brrcuda]

So it wasnt the frame color after all........... :lol: I could have swore, that if you painted that frame red, your issue was solved.

Good luck dude - sometimes you just want to ride and these 20 year old relics keep us on our toes.

[SYKO]

theres nothign wrong with the color of my frame......yea everything about these machines can get you to start pulling your hair out, but in the end after we fix them up running sweet and how we like them, we got 1000's less then any new atv on the market now, and still have great performance and fun!

and this oil is everywhere!! there had to be a cup of oil in there!!! its a wounder I got it to start in the first place, I know some stators are bathed in oil like the 250es and such but I guess it can hurt a dry stator like a 350x 250R if theres oil all in it right?

[hrc200x]

Also behind the flywheel is a seal to keep oil from comming into flywheel area from around the crank, like a 2 stroke, hate for you to change the gasket and have it be the seal.

[SYKO]

I really dont think its the seal, it was dry in there before, I had to remove the side cover once allready, I didnt have a gasket at the time and thats why I think it leaked in there, plus I let it sit as well before I tried to start it, so it acumulated in there till now, like I said I plan on resealing it after I clean it out well first, and leaving the bolt that acts as a drain plug open for the time being untill I can get a gasket, this should let me ride it untill then.

[Jason Hall]

I would suggest you re-adjust the valves If you removed the rocker cover. If you Installed a new gasket, or used the old one over the valves should be adjusted no matter what. The clearance Is quite small, I want to say like .004 Int- .008 exh. In-correct valve adjustment will make for very hard starting.

I believe there will always be a small amount of oil under the stator cover. I don't think It's totally sealled from the rest of the crank case.

[DeePa]

it is totally sealed by the crank seal and the gasket that goes around the shifter shaft area. If you dont have a gasket, oil will get in there by the shift shaft area.

[SYKO]

jason it starts fine when its warm but I can tell its got weak spark, the valves are fine, I adjusted them when I fixed the rocker cover, deepa is right the stator area on the 350x is dry and without a gasket some oil will make its way in there, with i beleive is the cause of my poor running condition right now.

[rally4x4racer]

you think? :lol: lob a cup of oil in your puter and see how it runs!!

Is the oil seal on your crank whats leaking? I read you were busting out the gasket maker :eek:

It is going to rip light lightning wit hthat grabber green on it!! Are you calling it GRAVEDIGGER?? :Bounce

[rally4x4racer]

we know why his name is SYKO....


The X is not going to run properly until you sacrifice one of your R's to the X-Gods!!

[SYKO]

we know why his name is SYKO....


The X is not going to run properly until you sacrifice one of your R's to the X-Gods!!




I love my R's yes they have giving me trouble, but hell my 300 ran with half a freaking piston! this X is very shortly going down the river! gotta find me another 2 stroke, and you know what really sucks?!?! Igot all the parts to put together my air fooler and guess what? I cant find MY GD alxe lock nut.....thats it the axle lock nut

[rally4x4racer]

If it is an airfooler you can order another one from DRATV. I am almost positive they are the same as the 110 axle nuts that he carries.

[SYKO]

ok went and blew out the carb, super clean now, I like to see what kind of dirt holds up to 190psi! muahahhaha! ok but heres a probllem the carb is stock! and it has a 42 pilot in it?? it says in my service manual it should have a 45 the main is dead on but the pilot is small, ok here is what Im thinking now, it ran great with a loose rocker cover (stripped bolts) uni filter, unbaffled pipe (then 450R silencer) and now with the rocker cover tight and the valvetrain working as it should now with no clearance problems, and the before mentioned mods, im running lean across the band now huh?? but shouldnt I be able to at least start it??? and let it idle?? I have a 400ex carb for it, but Its at a machine shop getting a small part fixed on it yet so I can use that yet.

i hate 4 strokes.

[SYKO]

If it is an airfooler you can order another one from DRATV. I am almost positive they are the same as the 110 axle nuts that he carries.



woh wait what?!?! I got one of those laying around! thanx for the tip!

[scrawny]

be cause it is more in tune, it will take more fuel. get what belongs in there for jets, put the needle in the middle and have yourself a sweeet little running bike!!!

mines built, and it runs the best with only +2 than stock main jet in...motors like goofy things*shrugs*.

[longbedGTs]

Let me know if you want to try my(your) carb to troubleshoot.

[SYKO]

man....so I got the carb super stupid clean reasembled everything fresh plug and all, still a bytch to start, got it pulled off started rode it for about 30 mins everywhere, alot of lost power poor throttle reponse a whole host of little things, but after I got back from riding, I pulled the plug, and get this....its lean on one side and rich on the other! I mean a deffinite color differnce between one side over the other! never in my life have I seen a plug look like that!...now im not going riding sunday, cuz I dont want to ride the pink blaster and I guess I will drop this pile off at the shop after christmass to let them screw with it...

[Dirtcrasher]

Hey SYKO, I'm sorry this thing has turned out to be such a PITA for you. I got an 86 350X awhile back and that thing has been sooooooooooo good to me. I change the oil, clean the filter and beat the snot out of it. I've never cleaned the carb or adj the valves because it's silent and starts in 2 kicks cold and one healthy one when she is hot.

I know it makes you want to go 2 stroke only, lets face it, even a beat up worn down slut of a pinger fires right up!! But, if you get that thumper right, you'll be all set and i'll bet you'll love it.

I think your stripped valve cover had a bit to do with valve clearance and of course, everyone gets pissed when you strip them down naked!! If you had a stripper pole in the shop she might have jumped on, but you left her naked, in the cold and ALONE with all the R's growling at her!!

Plus the oil soaked stator, that had to create more resistance - my bad, lots of thumpers lay in oil. I didn't know that the 350X was meant to run dry.

Anyhow, if it's a good motor you will enjoy it once it's running healthy. I definately wouldn't throw on the 400 carb yet. Get it going right for now then swap that out later. I have the 450R with the HRC crap on mine with drilled out jets and honestly, I don't even want to change that carb because it runs so good. But, it's supposed to be an upgrade so I will do it in time, about the same time I add an HC piston and a nasty cam to it:naughty:

[Nick_R_23]

I pulled the plug, and get this....its lean on one side and rich on the other! I mean a deffinite color differnce between one side over the other! never in my life have I seen a plug look like that!...

Ive seen it only happen once,, my friends XC600 did that a week or so ago, now it popped a piston and turned out it was running hella lean on that side,, I dont know what would cause the plug to color like that tho...

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[SYKO]

Ive decided that tomorw im going to pull the valve covers off and check the clearance on the valves, the plug being the way it is, is baffeling in the least, but tells me there is a big difference from intake to exhaust, after I check clearance and it still dosnt run any better, im short on all options as to what the problem could be.

[rally4x4racer]

OK - someone tell me what rocker covers have to do with clearance? You guys are confusing me. The valve covers are just there so you can adjust the valves. SYKO - I think you have a bad valve or spring. The head has 4 valves right? How else could it be lean on one side?

[hewlett2002000]

hey now dont diss the wal-mart paint!! lol ive painted everything from lawn mowers, to tool boxes, to my truck, to my 250es big red with that stuff!! lol when you have limited money and want something to look nice thats what you do....
good luck with your x .
John

[factoryX]

sell it to some tree hugger...

[McDerry]

Mark the plug before you remove it so you can get a good index of where the electrode and grounding strap are. I have seen plugs appear to be half lean half rich. The rich appearing side is towards the exhaust valve side. There will be a higher air/fuel density towards the intake side of the piston in turn the flash front will burn hotter on that side. Where it burns hotter it will keep carbon from settling on the plug. This gets more common the larger the engine gets.

[Nick_R_23]

I have seen plugs appear to be half lean half rich. The rich appearing side is towards the exhaust valve side. There will be a higher air/fuel density towards the intake side of the piston in turn the flash front will burn hotter on that side. Where it burns hotter it will keep carbon from settling on the plug. This gets more common the larger the engine gets.

So what causes this, and how do you fix it? Is it a timing thing, or maybe an exhaust or intake leak???

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[Jason Hall]

As I said before, I would re-adjust the valve's. I usually use 2 sets of feeler gauges to adjust a 4 valve setup. One under one valve one under the other.

[Dirtcrasher]

OK - someone tell me what rocker covers have to do with clearance? You guys are confusing me. The valve covers are just there so you can adjust the valves. SYKO - I think you have a bad valve or spring. The head has 4 valves right? How else could it be lean on one side?

The whole valve cover itself, not just the valve access covers was stripped and leaking oil (at least, thats my understanding...). When it got fixed and tightened down good, it had to affect the valve clearance. May or may not be part of the starting issue.....

[Mosh]

Hey Syko.
Here is all I have to say.:lol:
Hope ya get it going.
And for the record,nothing wrong with the paint.Hell I rode a purple bike for years and was the best running bike I had ever owned;)

[SYKO]

The whole valve cover itself, not just the valve access covers was stripped and leaking oil (at least, thats my understanding...). When it got fixed and tightened down good, it had to affect the valve clearance. May or may not be part of the starting issue.....



yes the whole rocker cover was loose from some hillbilly striping out the bolts before I had, and before the member I got it from as well, I thought I had the valves set right, but I will have to double check, they may be way off now, it will be later this day before I find out, plus I have to find my feeler set to check everything with.


all I wanted was a reliable machine to have fun with. what I got now is a mchine I have worked on more than any of my others now.....:mad:

[scrawny]

meh..the 4stroke gods are just making you work for it, to make sure you are worthy...they want to cleanse you of your stinky/smokey/oily/ past. :D :D

[rally4x4racer]

ha ha ha - it is reliable. You can rely on it being hard to start.... I think this has something to do with you giving Jason such a hard time about starting his. Thanks for explaining the valve cover thing - I was getting furious :eek:

[SYKO]

well boys thanx for all the help, but the money I will spend at the shop is well worth the lack of aggrivation I will have to endure....OFF TO THE SHOP THIS PILE GOES!!!



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[storm_impulse]

i hate when you try and try and try and it all leads up to going to the shop.

[SYKO]

well I have knowledge of how to possibly fix it, its just time....I dont have the time to fix it now, to fix it means to pull the motor back out and start double checking everything, I need new fealer gauges and everything else as well, so its going to the shop.

[factoryX]

it sounds like a good bike, throw it away... get a 250r and be done with it....

[SYKO]

well the shop called me........Im a tool......... its fixed after only 20 mins......... I think I may have lost my mind when I adjusted the valves, but they were WAY off......tool....


I used this on my self.......






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[Black86tri-z]

so it ended up being just miss ajusted valve's

[edog]

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[scrawny]

well the shop called me........Im a tool..


:eek: :wondering :eek:

[Erics350x]

Lmao............

[Dirtcrasher]

"God dam useless four stroke piece of crap, I hate it, never worked so dam much on my ATC's, should have bought another R, useless Honda thumper, dam, friggin..........."

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH!!

LOL!!!!!!

[atctim]

Good to hear it was something simple - now love that thing up!!!!!!!!!!!

[SYKO]

"God dam useless four stroke piece of crap, I hate it, never worked so dam much on my ATC's, should have bought another R, useless Honda thumper, dam, friggin..........."

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH!!

LOL!!!!!!




I know right??? all I can do is laugh about this....I dont understand how I totally screwed up adjusting the valves, but I did, the shop was cool it was only there for 30 mins so the bill wasnt that much, but I had to endure the sufering put on by them, as I pull up there all standing at the door laughing at me:lol: they new that I know what the hell im doing and yet I did such a small mistake its just laughable......:crazy:

[Mosh]

I have had those brainfarts before.All you can do is chuckle and take it with a grain of salt.At least it is good to go.

[Jason Hall]

Well Syko, now you can say you got beat by a 4 stroke Ha, Ha, Ha. It's happened to all of us, we all screw something up once In a while.

[scrawny]

so what exactly did you do wrong? not have it at TDC or somthin?

[Liquid-Darkness]

Yeah adjusting the valves makes the fourstrokes easy to start. With my old 350x I threw a new wiseco topend in it. I thought I had the time marks lined up right, but that was so untrue. When I got it to start, the valves were so miss-adjusted they chattered and sounded like big spoons slapping togeather. It sounded terrible. Come to find out I adjusted them with the cam lobes facing up instead of down. :lol:

[Jason Hall]

I have found the easiest way to adjust valves Is the base circle method. I learned this from a comp cams book when I was a younger hillbilly. When you adjust them with the piton at TDC, you are trying to keep the piston at TDC, which Is sometimes hard by It's self, as the engine wants to turn one way or the other. Also the rockers are on the flat part of the lobe just about to start climbing the lobe, a very touchy precise spot. The base circle method makes It LOTS easier. If some don't under stand what I mean, I'll try to explain. If you were to follow the lobe all the way around, the point Is the highest of course. The base circle Is the entire bottom of the cam (oposite of the point). It Is exactly the same height for 180 deg's, so If you adjust your valves on the base circle you don't have to worry about having the engine In the PERFECT spot. Here Is the trick. When the EXH valve starts to open adjust the INT. When the INT starts to shut adjust the EXH. That puts the rocker on the oposite low side of the lobe. I have used this method on every different engine from diesel engines to gas. As long as It's a 4 stroke engine It will always work.

[ATC185R]

I use your method all the time. It is kind of backwards thinking, but it sure is simple. That is how I adjust the 12 valve Cummins in my Dodge. Don't have to use that dowel the factory sugests to use. I learned this from an old timer and it sure makes sense.