View Full Version : New here w/ '86 ATC200x. 56K=go away **Updated 7/28**
jeopardy98
06-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Hello all,
I'm new here. I was lucky enough to chat with some of you fine folks in the chat room last night and you all seemed like a good bunch of folks. I think I'll like it here.
I recently acquired an '86 200x from a guy and he didn't really have a clue about it. It needs some work but it does fire up. It needs new brakes, front and rear, fork seals are bad, seat and plastics are in rough shape and it smokes but I only paid $250 for it and that is with the manual and some spare parts. It also is in need of a rear axle and hubs.
I teach school so I have this summer to work on it. I don't want it pretty, I just want it functional. I hope to have it finished by the time school starts back up.
Here are some pics from the day I got it:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/2766d30a.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/b8b2e1d4.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/c02b94cc.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/4e4f9f57.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/1b6b96f4.jpg
steven 250sx
06-20-2008, 10:05 AM
welcome to the boards and that bike looks good for 250 bones any parts you need 3ww will have it or ebay. good luck and have fun
TwoHundredEx
06-20-2008, 10:24 AM
Yep, looks good for $250.
The front and rear fenders definitely aren't stock, the rears look like they're from a 185S or something.
It looks like the entire front end is from a 350X too, since it has the leading axle and looks a lot taller than stock.
Anyways, good luck!
firehart
06-20-2008, 10:38 AM
Welcome, Have fun, Just remember, don't put your foot down on corners.
jeopardy98
06-20-2008, 10:38 AM
Oh really? Well that might make a big difference when I start buying parts. Crap. How can I tell for sure about the front end?
What year/model had the gold rims? This trike has the gold rims all the way around so my rear end might be different too.
tanks350x
06-20-2008, 10:39 AM
Welcome to the boards! For a duece and a half, you got a good deal, wish i payed that much for my beast:lol:
225DX DUDE
06-20-2008, 10:47 AM
Well this is what a 1986 200x looked like BRAND NEW. If that helps any?
They good be just different tires and rims, doesnt mean the whole rear end is defferent.
By the way WELCOME to the best 3 wheeler site on the planet!
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg269/3wheelerguy/86200xweb1.jpg
freewheel3
06-20-2008, 11:04 AM
"I don't want it pretty, I just want it functional."
HA! Yeah right. Those are the famous last words for most of us on here. Once you start fixing on it, a little here, a little there.....the addiction created by these 3 wheeled contraptions WILL delay any plans of retiring from your job anytime soon.
:welcome: to the boards.
225DX DUDE
06-20-2008, 11:08 AM
"I don't want it pretty, I just want it functional."
HA! Yeah right. Those are the famous last words for most of us on here. Once you start fixing on it, a little here, a little there.....the addiction created by these 3 wheeled contraptions WILL delay any plans of retiring from your job anytime soon.
:welcome: to the boards.
That is true you will soon become addicted like its a drug, but of course its not. It will soon be pretty and such, just like the rest of ours...
jeopardy98
06-20-2008, 12:06 PM
Well it is def. not an 86 200x because my brakes are on the left side of the front wheel. Crap. I have a brake assembly for the 200x. Oh well. Now I need to find out what I really have.
EDIT: On second look, I think the whole assembly is just backwards. The forks and rim need to be turned 180 degrees and everything will be right. The headlight is also not from the 86.
the headlihgt is a 350x setup, the forks could just be turned around backwards, and that totaly isnt the correct rear fender for it, guys help me out is that 250sx rear fender? it has a trunk built into it?
Itrike
06-20-2008, 02:01 PM
My guess is front end is turned around (is front caliper single or double piston?) front fender looks to be a maier 350x or 250r , not sure on rear maybe a 200s fender rims are most likley from a 250r , 350x head light.
Bad Karma
06-20-2008, 02:04 PM
If the forks were turned around, the caliper would be in front of the fork. Also notice the fork drain bolt position. My guess is it has a complete 350X front end, no guess on the rear fenders...
jeopardy98
06-20-2008, 02:05 PM
So you all think that most of my bike is still an '86 huh? Hopefully that is right. I'll check on the caliper and let you know. The rims all have the same 4x100, right? I just need to make sure the spline count on the axle matches the hub.
Another quick question. I have schrader valves on top of my fork tubes. Do these forks have a bladder? I had assumed they were just normal cartridge style forks.
If it is a 350x front end, what year brake parts do I need to be looking for? Will the switches and bars from a 350x or 86 200x work? I'm starting to think finding stuff for this trike might suck.
Edit: I think you all are right.
http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/04/14/bikepics-564103-full.jpg
So I'm looking for 86 350x front end parts...
Tyler 54
06-20-2008, 02:23 PM
It's definately a 350X front end. I can see your caliper in your pics. Probably from an 85 being that the truple trees are not painted. Sure should help it stop better with the dual piston caliper.
What front end parts are bad? I beieve the 85 and 86 May have changed calipers a little bit. The switches on the 350X had different plugs for the wiring harness, Bars are usually pretty much universal. If you leave the 350X front end on it, you can drop your clamps on the forks to level it out and make it sit at the correct height.
good luck and welcome!
jeopardy98
06-20-2008, 02:32 PM
Thanks. I guess if I have a 200x engine I have switches from a 200x. Maybe that is why my headlights don't work. My master cylinder is bad on the front brakes and therefore I'm not sure what shape the caliper is in and I have no back brakes at all.
Tyler 54
06-20-2008, 02:38 PM
You should be bale to make the 350X headlight work I had one on mine. Check the bulbs, Wires, and make sure it's not rusty were the bubls go into the light socket. pretty much any honda master cylinder will work.
jeopardy98
06-21-2008, 09:14 PM
Well, I got the old axle out today and I'm going to take it to a machine shop and see if they can do anything. I've got an angle on an 83 250r axle with brake parts so I might buy it and try and make it work.
I also re-assembled the carb and installed it today and got the bike fired up. It idles fairly well considering it has no airbox but it smokes like hell. It smokes out the exhaust port and it is shooting oil out that hole so what does that mean? Is it my valves, valve seals, or piston rings? I'm guessing piston rings. It also smokes like hell out the back so I'm going to have to tear the engine apart. Where do I go to find motor parts? Honda?
I also realized that the lights work fine once the bike is fired up so that was cool. It needs some cosmetic work as well and I have to get the brakes working but I think it's coming along.
If anyone has any suggestions, tips, or tricks please let me know.
EDIT: computer is being screwy, more to come with pics and a short vid.
Okay, here is a short video of it running, smoking like a chimney:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/th_69cf2629.jpg (http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/?action=view¤t=69cf2629.flv)
Here are some pics of the progress:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/3a8c8422.jpg
Oops, that isn't supposed to be there... is it?
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/77faca30.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/337c600b.jpg
What it should look like:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/a906ed07.jpg
Why I need a new axle and hub:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/53fbc5ba.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/8fe6d802.jpg
Carb, cleaned and back on:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/3e855d23.jpg
Stay tuned for more...
maggiesboy
06-21-2008, 09:39 PM
your hooked! You started working on it :D You just opened the 3ww addiction :D Congrats. is it you first trike? ANywho, welcome to 3WW :beer:
jeopardy98
06-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Yep, my first trike but I'm not new to rebuilding things with engines ;). Thanks for the welcome.
money89tractors
06-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Maybe im wrong, but that looks like a 81-84 250R muffler?
Maybe it smokers so much the old owner thought it was a 2 stroke? lol
I'm glad to know my 200x is not the only one that makes that bad.
-Phil
jeopardy98
06-21-2008, 11:34 PM
What the heck? My bike is made up of all kinds of random parts and none of them fit correctly. It's beginning to seem like it's going to cost way too much money to get this thing going. I'm seriously considering parting it out. The more I search ebay for the stuff that I "think" I need, which may not really be what I need, I realize how rare parts for the 86 are.
Rex Karz
06-22-2008, 06:14 AM
LOL at 56K=Go Away
bmxpsyco04
06-22-2008, 12:39 PM
go to denniskirk.com and put in the make/model/year (it'll be top left) to find some engine parts etc., good luck
steven 250sx
06-22-2008, 01:05 PM
look hard enough and long enough you will find the parts you need and cheap
SeaBass8
06-22-2008, 02:10 PM
:welcome:
It can be done no doubt about it. I think for 250$ you got a good start to a project. It all depends on what you want to do with it. The parts are out there. You gotta look for them. Good parts are not usually cheap tho. I've gotten some good stuff off folks on the board and ebay. Now I'm looking at getting more stuff from Service Honda. New OEM parts. A little pricey but new stuff no crap.
Again its what ever you want to do. I'd say your looking at anywhere from 600 -1000+ to get it back to stock with rebuilding the top end, axle, front end, plastics, seat, air box, exhaust and all the other stuff you'll end up replacing. Or you'll get your money back if you do part it out. Let me know if you do. :naughty:
I say go for it! I'm doing it myself. Search for my 86 200x thread. About half way there.
:beer
SeaBass8
willrideanythin
06-22-2008, 02:47 PM
"I don't want it pretty, I just want it functional."
HA! Yeah right. Those are the famous last words for most of us on here. Once you start fixing on it, a little here, a little there.....the addiction created by these 3 wheeled contraptions WILL delay any plans of retiring from your job anytime soon.
:welcome: to the boards.
LOL Ditto. My 200X was just something to ride with the wifes Big Red, Now I have too much in it and more by the day. I have a new body, Newer rear shock (01 Raptor), fat bars, hand guards, rims, tires, LTZ400 front brake res, ASV C5 levers, PRM rear grab bar, and more. Thats coming in or already here, Let alone what I have planned. Bottom line is good luck keeping it "just functional" LOL.
On a side note I plan to do the tank Syko style, Some powder coating/paint, seat cover, exhaust, cam, rev box (maybe) and exhaust. LONG LIVE TRIKES!!!
jeopardy98
06-22-2008, 03:14 PM
Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I'll keep plugging at it like I always do. I just wish I knew more about what years and models parts interchange and which things are pretty univeral. I've done plenty of motorcycles but this is my first trike so there's a bit of a learning curve.
jeopardy98
06-30-2008, 09:04 PM
Found a guy on ebay parting out an 86 and dropped $275 on some parts. I got a nice rear fender, cobra exhaust w/ head pipe, complete motor with rebuilt top and bottom end, new rear rims and tires, air box with filter, extra carb, and quite a few other parts. It was more then I wanted to spend but I think I have everything I need for this now. Parts will be here Wed. and I'll get to work on Thur.
The 83 110 is perfect except for the tank. I've cleaned the carb and I need axle bearings but it fires up and runs. Does anyone know if they sell replacement plastic tanks for 110's?
Twilight
06-30-2008, 09:17 PM
... i was the one you outbidded on the motor =(
Vealmonkey
06-30-2008, 09:29 PM
Yes, you can still get plastick 110 tanks. Also, the exhaust goes on the outside of the frame under the rear fender and inside the right rear tire. You are coming along nicely. Now you just need to fix those brakes. Once you get it moving, you will definitley want to stop it. Then some cosmetics work and cleaning. When you go to ride it the first time, the money and time will be well worth it.
scooterroo
06-30-2008, 09:31 PM
well my 2 cents is... for 250 you got a good start on a nice project bike. a few odds and ends here and there and i am sure will have a great runner. the smoke means you should just rebuild your topend on it. have the cylinder checked, honed, matched up to a piston and new set of rings. the rings are probably shot. while you have the top end apart, look for a nice cam, new timing chain, and check the valves. if your wanting to go that far, change them too. valves, springs, seals, etc. wont hurt, you would basically have a whole new topend on it.
the exhaust looks like an 83-85 200x silencer thats crammed in there, and it is totally wrong. well then you can go with a nice dg full exhaust on it. open it up some and let it breathe some more.
as for the forks, i would leave the ones that are on there on it, the 350x headlight looks sweet on it. if they are 350x forks and the headlight is from the 350x, you might need to get the 350x regulator for it. do a search on here for 350x headlights on a 200x, i know its been covered on here before, and i think i remember reading about the voltage regulator being needed to make that set up work on the 200x.
for the rest of the parts you might need, just throw a want-ad in the classifieds here. i am sure theres more then one person on here with the parts you will need. master cylinders can be swapped around from bike to bike, thats not a big deal.
damn, i guess i should of read the rest of your thread before i answered....lol, looks liek you in business with the parts you got coming. any other questions just ask, and oh yeah....welcome to the boards :beer
roger86200x
06-30-2008, 11:07 PM
Hey, thats definately the 86/87 200x, you can tell by the motor. It also has a 6 speed tranny vs the 5speed 83-85 200x. The 86 motors are WAY better IMO. Ive got an 86 200x myself, and Ive got a complete rolling chasis 86 200x too... but you look like you've got most of what you need. If you need anything, I will help if I can...
Roger
jeopardy98
07-04-2008, 02:53 AM
Lots of parts are rolling in. I got my rear fender and I'm waiting on an axle. The top end needed a piston and rings so I picked up this for about the same price as boring and a piston kit.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/0703081746.jpg
Stay tuned. The 110 is 95% done as well.
Dirtcrasher
07-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Looking good bud!
Great way to plastic bag all the parts too.
That "Fastner guy" SS bolt kit has every case and topend bolt, it really helps out the re assembley and it's about 110$ shipped.
If you have any questions on that motor, post em up!
jeopardy98
07-04-2008, 07:52 PM
awesome, the motor will take me some time to figure out because I like to go slow and take my time and do it right.
What's the best way to clean it up a little? simple green?
Also, can I remove my valves and clean them or do I need to replace them. they have some crap on them and one of them has a dimple in the middle but the other does not. The dimpled one looks normal which I believe is my exhaust valve.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/0704081920.jpg
Dirtcrasher
07-04-2008, 09:01 PM
You can remove them yourself, but re installing them can be difficult to say the least. Take them out, lap them and throw some new seals back in there.
Remove the carbon with wd40 and a SS brush or a wire wheel.
jeopardy98
07-04-2008, 09:36 PM
What do you use to compress the springs in order to get the keepers off?
Do the valve seals usually come with a complete gasket kit?
I'm basically just looking at things and reading through the manual about a dozen times right now. I'm going to go at it big time tomorrow. I hope to have it back together and installed on the trike by the end of the day tomorrow but I might be getting ahead of myself.
Dirtcrasher
07-04-2008, 10:52 PM
If you place a deep socket over the keepers and whack it with a plastic hammer, they pop right out... Getting them back together is however allot larger undertaking... I use a huge "KANT TWIST" clamp and a tube with a hollowed out area to get the keepers back in. It is REAL hard without the right tools to do it without damaging anything.
The Vesrah complete gasket kit at 65$ has everything - valve seals included. Auto Zone has valve lapping compound.
jeopardy98
07-05-2008, 02:11 AM
well the question then becomes, is the right tool still available through honda or anywhere else?
good tip on the valve compound from auto zone. thanks. what kind of solvent do you use to clean the carbon off the head?
I'm considering just pulling my head and jug off the current engine in the bike and using the nice jug that I have plus the new piston kit and putting my head with good valves right back on. Do you think that is a bad idea as long as my valves look good? As much as it's smoking, I'm thinking that I should probably do the valve seals while I am in there.
It's a tough call since I don't really have the right tools. I know there are makeshift tools but for some jobs it's just better to have the right stuff.
Edit: The valve seals are included in the gasket kit that I have so I guess I should go ahead and do them. Will any small spring compressor relieve enough tension for me to remove/install the valves and seals?
dirtface
07-05-2008, 09:59 AM
No matter what, even if you take it and have it done, you need the new valve seals installed.
Dirtcrasher
07-05-2008, 10:34 AM
well the question then becomes, is the right tool still available through honda or anywhere else?
good tip on the valve compound from auto zone. thanks. what kind of solvent do you use to clean the carbon off the head?
I'm considering just pulling my head and jug off the current engine in the bike and using the nice jug that I have plus the new piston kit and putting my head with good valves right back on. Do you think that is a bad idea as long as my valves look good? As much as it's smoking, I'm thinking that I should probably do the valve seals while I am in there.
It's a tough call since I don't really have the right tools. I know there are makeshift tools but for some jobs it's just better to have the right stuff.
Edit: The valve seals are included in the gasket kit that I have so I guess I should go ahead and do them. Will any small spring compressor relieve enough tension for me to remove/install the valves and seals?
I'd bet that Honda does sell the right tool, any old spring compressor will not work.... But, you could make up a tool with a large c clamp pretty easily if your handy. I clean that stuff up with a wire wheel and WD40, taking care not to touch the valve sealing or head seat area.
You do have the option of taking it apart (the socket and hammer works great) and then cleaning it all up and just having a shop put the springs on. But that could cost 50 to 100$ depending on your type of shop in your area. My local shop is 80$ whether it's 3 minutes or an hour.........
jeopardy98
07-05-2008, 06:02 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I found a spring compressor that will work from sears for $20 so I'll probably pick it up.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947627000P
Upon further inspection of this engine I have discovered that a piston exploded and there are many many bits of aluminum in this bottom end.
I think my best bet is to button it back up and remove the bottom end that is currently on the trike and use the fresh cylinder that I have from this bike. I still plan on lapping the valves and replacing the seals plus using the new piston and rings from this kit. Sounds like the easier route.
Anyone need a complete engine to rebuild?
Hey DC, does Auto Zone also have the valve lapping tool with the compound?
1975ATC90
07-05-2008, 06:31 PM
thats an 83-85 110/125m rear fender
jeopardy98
07-05-2008, 07:46 PM
thats an 83-85 110/125m rear fender
Hey thanks, do you need one? ;).
Dirtcrasher
07-06-2008, 09:21 AM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I found a spring compressor that will work from sears for $20 so I'll probably pick it up.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00947627000P
Upon further inspection of this engine I have discovered that a piston exploded and there are many many bits of aluminum in this bottom end.
I think my best bet is to button it back up and remove the bottom end that is currently on the trike and use the fresh cylinder that I have from this bike. I still plan on lapping the valves and replacing the seals plus using the new piston and rings from this kit. Sounds like the easier route.
Anyone need a complete engine to rebuild?
Hey DC, does Auto Zone also have the valve lapping tool with the compound?
I just used a cordless variable speed drill and pull the valve into the seat. Turn it a few seconds and then spin the other way a few seconds - THATS IT!! - You'll see the area shine up where it contacts. Don't get any compound on the valve guide itself. The AZ lapping tool can't hold the exhaust valve, too small....
That tool looks like the lawnmower engine spring compressor, not sure if it will work. Get it apart and you'll see what you need
jeopardy98
07-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Well I pulled the engine from the trike today so that I could begin getting the top end done.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/98413e28.jpg
It was smoking so badly that I figured I needed some rings and possibly some valve seals. What do you think? Both are being replaced.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/af1fb50d.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/134bc3a4.jpg
I got the new piston installed and I need to find a valve spring tool so I can clean these up and get it put back together.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/a0bcce16.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/e1e2bb8d.jpg
The current state of my kitchen table.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/67a69963.jpg
I also have some new wheels and tires to go on the new axle. Its from a 250r so it should be about 4" wider so I think these will look better. They are 11" wide. I think I'll still keep my spare set too though.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/4c925263.jpg
Current state of the trike.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/1752432e.jpg
I also have a white fender in the shed to go on and a cobra exhaust to mount up. Things are coming along. I just need to get the brake situation under control. Axle should be here tomorrow or Tuesday so I need to get some new bearings and seals so I can have a rolling chassis. It won't be a DC classic restore when I'm done but it will be reliable and fun to ride. :D Stay tuned.
brapp
07-07-2008, 10:39 AM
i am not shure if the 250r axle willwork or not? but i know with a little modification the 350x/300ex axles and carrier fit.and the rear fenders are actualy off a trx125 slight little diffrencs but will wok and look the same as atc110/125m fenders.
jeopardy98
07-07-2008, 10:58 AM
I know the 250r axle will work. It's just 4" wider. Also, I already found a 200x fender in white for a super price. I just need to sell of some of that other crap.
I'm hoping to pick up the valve lapping compound today. What solvent should I use to clean the head? I'm hoping to get this thing back in the trike today.
jeopardy98
07-09-2008, 06:58 PM
Well I got the axle in and it works but there are a few small details to work out. Mainly a new chain and some sort of space to keep the sprocket from contacting the carrier.
I got the engine all mounted up and the wiring connected. Installed the carb and the airbox tube from the carb, headpipe attached, hooked up the fuel and.... NOTHING. The damn thing won't start. It's quite discouraging. I'm almost to the point that I'm ready to sell it off to someone. I don't know what could be wrong. I have spark, and I KNOW the timing is right. The bike was running before I did the top end job so the carb is clean.
Any suggestions as to what to check? I'm so discouraged, I can't see straight.
Dirtcrasher
07-09-2008, 07:13 PM
If you kick it over a few times does the plug get wet?
Does the kicker blow your finger off the sparkplug hole?
Does the plug have spark?
Sure it's at the right time?
Only pussies or people that give up to easy sell their crap when it won't run :lol: Take a night or a day, relax and have at it again - piece of cake!
Not much more to it.....
jeopardy98
07-09-2008, 08:07 PM
Yea I agree. I need to step away for a day or two and go back at it. I've never not gotten a project going yet and I don't plan on starting now. I'll pull the plug and check it and make sure that I have good compression. The timing has to be right. Everything lines up just the way it should.
scooterroo
07-09-2008, 08:43 PM
did you have the cylinder checked. get it honed for the new rings. sure you hooked everything up correctly in the wiring harness? what about your ground? are you positive its timed right, not 180 degrees out? i had the same problem happen to my old 85 x, kick kick kick kick kick kick, nuttin!!! not even a pop. then i sat back, cooled off, thought about it for a while, checked everything over, called my dealership, and they clued me into the camshaft being 180 degrees off. fixxed thaat, bike fired up on the third kick. god i wish i never got rid of that x.
jeopardy98
07-09-2008, 09:10 PM
Well if it was 180 degrees off then the timing mark wouldnt be visible in the bottom end window while the timing mark points straight up in the head cover window, would it? I'm going to go back at it full force tomorrow. I'll recheck the wiring, look for spark and compression etc. I'll get it I suppose.
If the timing is off I can fix it on the trike, correct? Pulling that motor was a PITA and putting it back was worse.
jeopardy98
07-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Okay, I'm pulling my hair out here. I checked for spark today. I had spark but it might be a bit weak. Still a good blue spark though. Checked all my electrical connections. They are good. Pulled the plug and looked at it. It was a new plug and it still looks new. Put my finger over the spark plug hole and kicked it... NOTHING! not the least bit of compression.
Okay so does that indicate timing or a stuck valve. I can feel a rush of air coming out of the exhaust port everytime I kick it. I do not have my muffler installed yet. Does that matter?
I did remove my valves and lap them as DC suggested and it seemed to go perfectly but I guess I could have screwed up. Any suggestions here? I have found the problem but now I just need to fix it. TIA
jeopardy98
07-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Well I went out and checked the timing again. It's dead on. I also adjusted the valves and for some odd reason the exhaust valve was WAY out of spec. I know it was right when I put the head together though. I fixed that and did the finger compression test. After about 4 kicks it blew my finger off the hole. Great. I hooked up the plug and checked for spark again. Great spark. Awesome. Put the plug back in and kick it until I'm blue in the face. Nothing. I tried full throttle, I tried half throttle, and I tried no throttle. I also adjusted the idle screw in and out about a turn in both directions. None of it makes any difference.
So what now? Starter fluid in the spark plug hole just to see if it will fire? I guess that's next.
Well I tried that and all it did was blow the starting fluid out the front of the engine through the exhaust port. I tried spraying it through the spark plug hole and the carb intake (without the carb). Nada. Zip. Zilch. I'm running out of ideas.
jeopardy98
07-28-2008, 10:35 PM
Okay, got it running. The dang decomp. cable wasn't resetting itself. I just took it out of the equation. It fired up first kick. I need to fine tune the carb still. It idles pretty high until it warms up but then it won't idle without a little gas. Is that the pilot screw?
I got the airbox and muffler installed. I also scored a complete rear axle with carrier and good bearings, hubs etc. I installed that and fired it up for a spin around the yard. It still smokes a little but I'm thinking it might go away once everything burns off and settles in.
I still don't have any front or rear brakes but they are on the way. Now I just need to get rid of some of the extra parts I have lying around. I have a seat on the way too. Hope it gets here soon.
I got caught up in the moment and forgot to take pictures as it sits now but I'll try and snap some tomorrow.
roger86200x
07-28-2008, 10:48 PM
Jeopardy - You gotta let me see some pics of that trike with my rear axle!! :beer
Ive got your motor on my dining room table, lol .... just as you had yours - and the wife isnt thrilled :D
Should be up and running in about a week - gotta order the piston, valves, and gaskets - and get the cylinder bored.
You need anything else for that trike?
BTW - that motor is in really good shape - once I get the detonated pieces out of it, lol... but otherwise SUPERB!!
jeopardy98
07-28-2008, 10:59 PM
Hey man, I'm glad it all worked out for you. The axle and carrier are great. I cleaned up everything and put some waterproof bel-ray grease on it all. The sprocket was tweaked too badly to use but I had one so it's all good. Everything else was perfect.
I'll let you know if I need anything else once I get my seat and brake setups. I'll try and snap some pictures tomorrow.
jeopardy98
07-29-2008, 10:51 AM
Here are some pics. Not sure which wheels and tires I like better though. Still lots to be done but it's coming along.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2305.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2306.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2307.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2308.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2309.jpg
83ATC185S
07-29-2008, 04:39 PM
looks good!
jeopardy98
07-29-2008, 05:19 PM
The seat arrived today (thanks Itrike) so I can put that on and then the brakes and tune the carb and I'll be done for a little while.
jeopardy98
07-30-2008, 08:15 PM
It's looking better by the day. I didn't read the entire thread - maybe this was already mentioned, but you may want to turn your forks around to a trailing front axle to pull that front tire back in a bit.
I'll consider that about the forks, thanks. Can I still run the 350x brake setup like that? It may not matter as the axle is stripped and seized in the forks currently. I have a complete front and rear brake setup coming along with a new front axle and rim/tire combo.
Here is what it looks like now with the seat installed. The 4 seat bolts snapped so I had to get creative. It's getting close. I'll need a fender at some point but I'll ride it some first ;)
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2313.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f274/jeopardy98/86%20200x/100_2314.jpg
jeopardy98
07-30-2008, 09:01 PM
The best way to turn it around if the axle is seized is to loosen your tiple tree bolts, pull both forks and all off, turn the wheel and forks around, and slide the forks back on - the forks will go in the opposite side they came out of.
Makes sense but will that mess with my brake setup at all? The caliper on the 350x's was on the left I thought. I don't guess it would matter other then having extra cable length. I'll make a decision when the new axle gets here. I need some fork boots for that front end too. It looks so naked :lol:
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