so I have a question about a banshee?

[The Goat]

what in god's name do they go for? what's the performance like at a stock level? how's the reliability? I understand with a rebuild everything is in twos...but how often does it need to be rebuilt.

I understand how fourstrokes behave on long rides...but what's the deal with the two strokes.... high rpm only? how long before they overheat? what's the word?

I've posted a thread like this before, but for the life of me, I can't seem to find it.

If anyone has a goodone, I may be interested in a trade for a 350x or 200x with a brand new lifan. Wouldn't be too interested in cosmetics...just want mechanically sound throughout.

Provided you people give it good reviews of course...

[SWIGIN]

i raced against them threw the 90s and rode a handful of them from stock to full race ready.......i dont think you could give me a banshee

[RID3R]

Ive never seen a good all around banshee for under 2200 around here. I dont know much myself but I know I want one somtime. Reliability, ive heard that when most banshess blow up besides being worn is the airfilter is not installed just right. Believe the eninge is based from an old street bike engine.

[SWIGIN]

yeah, the motor is from a old late 60s or so street bike....rz350

[Havoxx]

Heh, I have mine up on Ebay, it was reliable while I had it, it started up great, and I ran it through normal things, even got it stuck in the mud(speaking of which my ebay pics have it muddy :D) I never really revved it to high RPM, but mine is completely stock, comparing it to my four strokes heat, I think it stayed cooler than them without a doubt, and it's a really fun ride, the bike is huge though, was hard to get it on my trailer :P.

[Tri-Z Pilot]

i believe their notorious for overheating,and have a very peaky powerband, but the do scream in the high revs. i read an article about pipes for shees a couple years ago. apparently fmf gnarlies give it great bottom trailriding power with gains elswhere also. i believe trinity also makes a 1 carb into 2 cylinders setup that works good also.
if you dont know if you would rather keep a four stroke or get a two, i say have both. its the best of both worlds!

[jeffatc250r]

The 2 into 1 carb kit is the cats azz, much easier to tune and increases bottom end responce greatly. they are prone to stator problems, so stay away from water, or atleast silicone the cover up good. The other problem is the swinger carrier. Life is much better with an aftermarket swinger that has the 250r style carrier. Other than that, they are a blast! ANd they sound great imo.

[SCEADU]

Goat,

I always wanted one as a kid. Now I have one and would like to get rid of it :}.

OHHHH SURE!!! I ate up a Raptor 660, 700 and a 450r on the drag strip Saturday, but on the trails it was like riding with a toggle switch attached to my thumb. If you were not in the pipe there is no power. Then when it hits get the hell out da way and hope you have great brakes. The stock shocks are pitiful as well. I just sunk about $800 in the motor so rebuilding them isn't as bad as you would think. I don't know what kind of riding you do but if it is tight trails then I would steer clear of the Banshee. It is this man's opinion that this bike was made for 2 things 1) Inline SPEED!!!! and B) Sand dunes!!!

Now all this is being said in the fact that I am comparing it to my 88R that has works shocks, SST pipe, Vforce reeds, and a 38mm Airstryker carb on it so it is set for the woods and rides like a Cadilac compared to anything else my big backside has ever sat on.

You made the trip to Georgia once for your 350x so come on up again and I will set you up with a Banshee.

[badasskfx]

pm ridetriz he has a bad ass shee. we ride hard core trails evrey weekend and he loves it....

[brapp]

i use dt love the banshees for hill climbign and teven buyign 2 of everythign thier stillcheaper then the modern 4 stroke to rebuild.

[cody2]

I almost got a banshee instead of the outlaw, there some quick to get parts for, you can get anything for them, but i didnt like the shocks and it was just kinda low compared to the outlaw even s.

[Black86tri-z]

shee's are nasty when done up rite but a had a older beat 1 befor my recent 1 and it sucked

[z400guy28]

If you should buy one take it to a true mechanic. I had a 96 i bought for 2200. When i bought it, it ran great. By far the fastest quad ive ever owned. But 3 weeks later the bottom end went. My buddy who thinks he is a mechanic took it apart without me knowing. So i got the crank(hot rod) and pistons(bored 60 over) go to pick her up to bring to local shop but they wouldn't touch it because he took the motor apart. The quad never ran good after i let him put it together. Kept over heating, had to pop start it just to go riding. Always stalling out on idle, just basically screwed it up on me. So i sold it for 1000 just to get rid of a headache that i sunk 4000 into, that's not including what i payed for it. I know own a Z400 that i payed 1900 for and have yet to have any problems with it. So make sure to test drive listen real good to the motor and don't leave it at your buddies house when it breaks. I'll post some pics of the Shee and the Z later.

[cr480r]

Banshees are terrible for anything other than throwing roost... the power is not tractable... they either spin or bog... the chassis is heavy and awkward... But they have a comfy seat and potential for big HP which makes them a popular choice for duners... a Banshee would be my last choice for any type of technical riding..

[sandpuppi101]

I've ridden Banshee's stock ,fuel injected,on NOS,and built to the gill's,I even caught one on fire before.My only regret is that I put the fire out on the one before it went up.I guess i'd ride another one but I would'nt own one..

[Mosh]

Banshee haters! blah

I am tired of all the misconceptions about them.
Myth 1( they are unreliable)Horse crap.
the only reason they are unreliable is becuase of the owner not knowing how to set up and maintain it.My wife's shee has 5 years on the top end with 1 re-ring and still pulls 118 psi of compression.Stock compression is 125 to 130 psi...

Myth 2 (no low end power).Horse crap again.
For 5 years I have been saying gear down the frt sprocket to 12 teeth and 2 INTO 1 Pipe!!!!! The same if not More low end than any 4 stroke!

Myth 3(Expensive to build)Crap again...

A piston kit for a shee is still cheaper than any new 4 stroke.Even 2 new pipes are cheaper than any new 4 stroke.
You can completely rework a Banshee motor with new crank and top end for what a top end on a new 4 stroke costs.

The only thing I will agree with, is the suspension on them is inferior,but can be tweaked with a nice set of Works shocks.
2 into1 carbs....Lol.... are good for one thing only.Sucking dirt into your cylinders due to poor fitting intake adapters.
Goat,check out BansheeHQ.com for better/more info on them.Everything 2 stroke.com has a ton of info too.

[SWIGIN]

still couldnt give me one....lol

i raced mx in the past and still play ride on tracks.....banshees are not the best on a track IMO.

maybe for trails or dunes but i would still go another route

my buddy just picked up a mostly stock banshee and he was telling me how fast it is and blah blah blah (like i never rode on or with one before)

well in about 20 drag races in a flat feild maybe 400-500 feet he couldnt touch my 350rx. so we switched bikes then we were tied most of the time so alot of it is rider.

[cr480r]

Myth 2 (no low end power).Horse crap again.
For 5 years I have been saying gear down the frt sprocket to 12 teeth and 2 INTO 1 Pipe!!!!! The same if not More low end than any 4 stroke!



Doesnt the 2-1 pipe make them slow? IMO that defeats the purpose of having a heavy twin cylinder engine...

[SWIGIN]

it adds low end...just like the 1 into 2 carb kit

[tecat-z]

Knowledge and proper maintenance is key. I strongly believe that the banshee engine is one of the most durable engines ever put in an atv. I've had LOTS of friends that have had them over the years, and many friends that still have them. Infact, my buddy that went to TF with us bought his. He bought it new in 01, and the engine has never been opened up. Never. It still runs as strong as ever. As mentioned, they are heavy, and kinda awkward, but they are far from bad bikes. And, all the talk about unrideable power and lightswitches, horsecrap. They are actually pretty smooth and tame with close to stock setups. For the record, i've got a friend who has a 621cc alky cheetah, 130+ h.p. built by RDZ racing in Michigan. No other atv engine design even comes close to staggering #'s like those. If you say their junk, you don't understand them.

[SWIGIN]

Knowledge and proper maintenance is key. I strongly believe that the banshee engine is one of the most durable engines ever put in an atv. I've had LOTS of friends that have had them over the years, and many friends that still have them. Infact, my buddy that went to TF with us bought his. He bought it new in 01, and the engine has never been opened up. Never. It still runs as strong as ever. As mentioned, they are heavy, and kinda awkward, but they are far from bad bikes. And, all the talk about unrideable power and lightswitches, horsecrap. They are actually pretty smooth and tame with close to stock setups. For the record, i've got a friend who has a 621cc alky cheetah, 130+ h.p. built by RDZ racing in Michigan. No other atv engine design even comes close to staggering #'s like those. If you say their junk, you don't understand them.



i wouldnt call them junk but they have no place on a mx track....its all in what you want to do with them

in the 10 years i raced in the 250cc-open A class i never.....never got beat by a banshee

your buddy dont race mx but it must work for what he does with it....every bike has there place

[tecat-z]

I never said, nor did anyone else say their great for tracks. And of course, a trx 250R would destroy a Banshee on a track. Simply stating the truth about the engine, and how diverse it is. Nothing about the obvious shortcomings of the chassis for certain situations. But for general riding, it's more than adequate.

[SWIGIN]

dont take it personal man i just want it to be known they suck on a mx track....no one praiseing them said it, so i did

[Mrs.Mosh]

Actually,last week at the fair races,we saw 2 Banshee's smoking different brands of 450's in 2 different motos.The Banshee's were bone stock.But I would say alot of that is rider.I agree it would not be my first choice for a MX machine,but with the right rider,they can run in the front.
However,for hillclimbing and I mean severe hillclimbing,they are first choice for me.
Heavy in the front,gobs of power, and wheelspin is there when you need it.
2into1 pipes dont slow them down,it just puts the torque curve in a more useable area.They will still run 70+MPH with a 2 into1 pipe on them.

[SWIGIN]

to be fair...pun intended
every fair race iv seen is small and not a ''real'' mx track

it looks fun as hell to do but its not the same thing im talking about and i never said they cant win....that would be stupid

just like your severe hill climing, im talking severe MX i guess

[Mrs.Mosh]

Swigin....
Like I said, the Banshee wouldn't be my first choice for an MX track. But they are a great bike for other areas.

Goat...
What type of riding do you do mostly? I guess that would be the best question to ask.

[SWIGIN]

Swigin....
Like I said, the Banshee wouldn't be my first choice for an MX track. But they are a great bike for other areas.

thats exsactly what i said too....;)

[Mosh]

still couldnt give me one....lol

i raced mx in the past and still play ride on tracks.....banshees are not the best on a track IMO.

maybe for trails or dunes but i would still go another route

my buddy just picked up a mostly stock banshee and he was telling me how fast it is and blah blah blah (like i never rode on or with one before)

well in about 20 drag races in a flat feild maybe 400-500 feet he couldnt touch my 350rx. so we switched bikes then we were tied most of the time so alot of it is rider.
You must really hate These Banshee's.
That is fine I hate 4 strokes, so everyone has different preferences.

Now as far as your drag races against a shee,with your 350x,that banshee with stock tires in a field would get owned off the line.Now had he had better tires on it,I think your outcome would have been different..Either way sounds like this paticular Banshee was not running well.
For a real comparison,get them both out on the asphalt,then let me know the outcome.:naughty:

Couldnt give you a Banshee????

Now that aint too bright.Even if someone offered me a machine I did not like,I would at least take it and part it out and make some cash from it.:crazy:

[SWIGIN]

he had new maxis tires if you must know

am i missing something here?

he ask us what we thought of a banshee....since when does that mean i can only post wonderful things?

i have rode new stock to full mx set up shee's and the one i raced the other week was no different then any other stockish banshee....plus i said rider had something to do with the outcome of the drag race.

no hate for banshee's here....just for the banshee can do no wrong mentality i hear all the time.

i only said they arnt great on a mx track and it seems to be getting blown out of proportion.

i will always stand by that statment. but you are right about the you couldnt give me one thing i said...... i knew as i typed it the second time it didt sound good. i should of said, you couldnt give me one to ride (since i ride mx mostly)

[cr480r]

it adds low end...just like the 1 into 2 carb kit

i know that, My buddy had one and took it off because it made his bike slower.. IMO if you take away the straight line acceleration capabilities(when traction is present) of the banshee you arent left with much...

[cody2]

I think you guys need to lay off swigin, i understand what hes saying. All he said was banshees wernt great mx quads which i 100% agree, im not a banshee hater im just saying the 450's are ment for mx and the banshee is meant for the dunes, 2 completely different things. Now i personally have never owned a banshee so i dont know how tough they are, but ive heard stuff from a few people telling me they would last for years and you still do see late to mid 80's models around running fine, highly doubt you could get that with any 450 25 years in the future.

[SWIGIN]

its ok man, it must be hate on SWIGIN day or something....lol

[Mosh]

Nobody is beating up on anybody.We are having a debate here and that is all.
The goat asked how they were.Never in his post did he ask if they were good for MX racing.
As stated before,really The goat needs to determine what type of riding he is doing.

The only problem I have,is seeing people chime in about the bad points of a machine they have spent maybe a few hours on in thier entire life.

I speak from real world experience with them.I have owned Banshee's since 1999 and rode them that long,and have owned and parted out and built more than 6 of them total.
I know the in's and out's of them front to back.

Compared to any MX based machine,yes they are inferior,for MX racing.
That does not mean that they cant be competetive on the track,it will just take more rider input and suspension work than any other MX based machine.

Now,EXCLUDING one purpose MX racing,The Banshee is a formidiable quad that can be ridden in any conditions,except deep mud and water.Set-up properly,I think that they are about the best technical trail machines out there,and I have ridden many different machines.

It is all good I have no problems with anyone's post in here.I would just like to see someone asking for info get, all sides of the story,and not just negativy towards the machine from 1-2 people.What suits someone may not suit the other guy,and that is why we love to have our freedom of choice and speech.

[edog]

Goat...you there?lol

[z400guy28]

I owned a 96 that ran great when i first bought it. My buddy i guess you can call him screwed mine up so bad that it never ran right after that. I do mostly trail riding and some sand pits and honestly i prefer the banshee over my Z 400 any day. The banshee was faster and for some reason it jumped straighter than my Z. I also feel the suspension on the Banshee is better than the Z. It wouldn't be my first choice for MX but like i said i ride woods and sand pits. This is my opinion and i will own another one in the future.

[SWIGIN]

Nobody is beating up on anybody.We are having a debate here and that is all.
The goat asked how they were.Never in his post did he ask if they were good for MX racing.
As stated before,really The goat needs to determine what type of riding he is doing.

The only problem I have,is seeing people chime in about the bad points of a machine they have spent maybe a few hours on in thier entire life.


please dont take this as being spitefull, im only posting this since my posts got tore on somewhat.

goat did ask how they are and he didnt come out and say MX only....but he didnt exclude it ether. this is why i said what i did.

and i agree about the low hour people....:)

[The Goat]

wow...what did I start? lol.

sorry guys, friend bought a car in florida off of ebay...we went down there and the dealer was a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* 800 mile trip wasted. ed faucet can suck a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited*. never buy from him. be warned.

went to the beach for a few days...killed a handle or two of captain morgan...and ended up getting a civic.

1800 miles is a bit much.

as for what kind of riding I would be doing with it.

pipelines and gravel roads. I wouldn't be doing hillclimbs...as we don't have hills. I wouldn't be doing mx...as the only time any of my bikes leave the ground is when something unexpected happens. i.e. fallen trees across a trail, turtlebacked roads crossing pipelines in high grass...or something of that sort.

Mainly, I'd be rolling along at highspeed on gravel roads 20ft wide or so for miles.

reason I'm curious about them really, is they seem to be going for a rather cheap price these days... and I love the styling and the power potential.

[cr480r]

as for what kind of riding I would be doing with it...

I wouldn't be doing hillclimbs...

I wouldn't be doing mx...

Mainly, I'd be rolling along at highspeed on gravel roads 20ft wide or so for miles...

I love the styling and the power potential....

Sounds like a Banshee would fit your needs perfectly...

[SWIGIN]

yes it does

[The Goat]

so the engine wouldn't overheat?

[edog]

From what I read...the older Bashees motors are better.I don't now how true this is thow.I road a stock 2003 with 20 hours on it and loved it.Please trikers,be kind????lol

[The Goat]

it's just nice to know you rode something besides that computer chair buddy

[edog]

it's just nice to know you rode something besides that computer chair buddy

Ya,I do have alot of time behind the wheel of that.lol:beer :w00t: :lol: :lol: :postwhore

[Red Rider]

From what I read...the older Bashees motors are better.I don't now how true this is thow.Other than the front suspension, color schemes, & decals, did Yamaha ever change anything on the Banshees?

[edog]

Other than the front suspension, color schemes, & decals, did Yamaha ever change anything on the Banshees?

I heard there were improvments in the motor.

[Mrs.Mosh]

We have only noticed overheating, climbing Long mountain hills(1500 feet and longer) Repeatedly on hot days.They will start spiiting coolant from the overflow hose on the front right shock or pipe and you can smell it,so we shut them down and let them cool off.

In tight technical trails with a 2 into 1 pipe,they will run hot after about 30 minutes of slow putting around on a 80+ degree day(depending on humidty).We let them cool down for about 20 minutes and they are good to go.They dont overheat with dual pipes so much.And On wide open trails and fire roads,they will not overheat,as they have alot of airflow going thru the radiators.

The changes made were these...From what we have gathered.

87-90 engines had a 1mm longer rod in them or a 1 mm variance in the factory specs....So we have heard...(We think this is why the older motors run harder.)We have also heard the jugs were ported different from the factory,but cant verify that.The cases in these years also had a provision for a speedometer.

The 87-90 Shee also had a 4 bolt carrier and a 4 bolt sprocket hub,which you can get a smaller rear sprocket on vs. the 91 and up Shee.(Better for drag racing as far as gearing selection goes)The 91 and up shee had a 2 bolt carrier design.
The 87-90 shee aslo came stock with a 42 tooth rear sprocket,the 91 and up ran a 41 tooth rear sprocket.

The 87-90 Shee ran a different frt caliper set-up,that uses Tri-Z brake pads and older Warrior front brake pads.

The 87-90 frames had no provisions for factory nerf bars.91 and up included factory floor boards and nerf bars.

87-90 Had a J arm front suspension(which steers much better than than the 91 and up Shee)and also wieghed about 40 pound less than the A-arm model Shee's.But the side effect was weaker front end,that would bend the J-arms on hard impacts.

Really,the only thing they changed,was the electrical plugs on them.I dont remember the year cut-offs,but they switched from round style electrical connectors to square connectors and so on.Later on,they added a brake light and some different cosmetics.

The 87-90 had a lower profile seat foam vs. 91 and up shee's.

But If you transfer the electrical system from them,the older engines will bolt in newer frames,but you must use the matching wire harness for that particular year electrical system.

My shee has a 93 chassis,with a 89 motor and wiring system and CDI box.The older motors,do run stronger than the later motors.My set-up smoked Mosh's with the older motor as far as lowend hit,but his 96 motor outpulled mine.They both were set-up Identical with the same jetting,porting and pipes.He could get me on the top end.

Around here,you can get a low hour 2000 and up shee for around 2 grand that is really clean and nice.Maybe even with pipes and tires added.
Just up the road there is a 98 that we can get for 1700,that is all stock and very clean.
I love mine,and you wont pry it from my dead hands.But Mosh and I take extreme care of it,and It has been completely reliable.There are some secrets to making them last longer with no problems.

Another thing we do like, is the rear bearings get about 4 years out of them vs. a Honda every year needing the carrier rebuilt.They are a pain to adjust the chain,but considering the rear bearing longevity,it is a fair trade off.

[edog]

We have only noticed overheating, climbing Long mountain hills(1500 feet and longer) Repeatedly on hot days.They will start spiiting coolant from the overflow hose on the front right shock or pipe and you can smell it,so we shut them down and let them cool off.

In tight technical trails with a 2 into 1 pipe,they will run hot after about 30 minutes of slow putting around on a 80+ degree day(depending on humidty).We let them cool down for about 20 minutes and they are good to go.They dont overheat with dual pipes so much.And On wide open trails and fire roads,they will not overheat,as they have alot of airflow going thru the radiators.

The changes made were these...From what we have gathered.

87-90 engines had a 1mm longer rod in them or a 1 mm variance in the factory specs....So we have heard...(We think this is why the older motors run harder.)We have also heard the jugs were ported different from the factory,but cant verify that.The cases in these years also had a provision for a speedometer.

The 87-90 Shee also had a 4 bolt carrier and a 4 bolt sprocket hub,which you can get a smaller rear sprocket on vs. the 91 and up Shee.(Better for drag racing as far as gearing selection goes)The 91 and up shee had a 2 bolt carrier design.
The 87-90 shee aslo came stock with a 42 tooth rear sprocket,the 91 and up ran a 41 tooth rear sprocket.

The 87-90 Shee ran a different frt caliper set-up,that uses Tri-Z brake pads and older Warrior front brake pads.

The 87-90 frames had no provisions for factory nerf bars.91 and up included factory floor boards and nerf bars.

87-90 Had a J arm front suspension(which steers much better than than the 91 and up Shee)and also wieghed about 40 pound less than the A-arm model Shee's.But the side effect was weaker front end,that would bend the J-arms on hard impacts.

Really,the only thing they changed,was the electrical plugs on them.I dont remember the year cut-offs,but they switched from round style electrical connectors to square connectors and so on.Later on,they added a brake light and some different cosmetics.

The 87-90 had a lower profile seat foam vs. 91 and up shee's.

But If you transfer the electrical system from them,the older engines will bolt in newer frames,but you must use the matching wire harness for that particular year electrical system.

My shee has a 93 chassis,with a 89 motor and wiring system and CDI box.The older motors,do run stronger than the later motors.My set-up smoked Mosh's with the older motor as far as lowend hit,but his 96 motor outpulled mine.They both were set-up Identical with the same jetting,porting and pipes.He could get me on the top end.

Around here,you can get a low hour 2000 and up shee for around 2 grand that is really clean and nice.Maybe even with pipes and tires added.
Just up the road there is a 98 that we can get for 1700,that is all stock and very clean.
I love mine,and you wont pry it from my dead hands.But Mosh and I take extreme care of it,and It has been completely reliable.There are some secrets to making them last longer with no problems.

Another thing we do like, is the rear bearings get about 4 years out of them vs. a Honda every year needing the carrier rebuilt.They are a pain to adjust the chain,but considering the rear bearing longevity,it is a fair trade off.

Thanks for the info!

[The Goat]

thanks mrs moshman...now to find someone willing to do a trade.

[SCEADU]

Take a look at Banshee HQ. You may find someone over there interested.

[jason 32]

banshees are bad azzzz sooo many performance kits upgrades ect..
stock they are bad azzzz
id love to get a junk one and rebuild it it would hold its value
if you can get one get one- but if it has not had tune ups it will need the usual stuff
2stokes- use klotz oil,and you will have a lot less problems fouling plugs ect... even if you mix rich on the oil
2stokes have been around 4 ever - just tune them well ,and they will last no need to run a quart of oil with 1 gal of gas-
AND YES THEY WERE MADE TO SIT ,AND IDLE-
so EVERYONE stop listing to people that dont know crapp about 2 strokes
--- i mean hell they just made them to run in japan all day long- a primary source of transportation
why would they make them idle--:twisted:

[Havoxx]

Yea, I ran mine for 3 days straight without really doing much WOT, and it never overheated or anything, hell, you could never even feel heat off the pipes, now my 4-strokes, they sit for 10 minutes and you feel the heat radiating off the pipes lol.

I'm sellin mine on the ebay though :P, ran into some debt, damn good bike, but it's the one I can sell for the most ;).

[SCEADU]

Still thinking about one Goat?


Here ya go in your neck of the woods

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-yamaha-banshee-runs-rough-and-needs-tlc-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a552Q7c39Q 3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286 Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem270270547972QQitemZ270270547 972

[The Goat]

I don't really have the money at the moment...but I did throw a few hundred dollar bid on it. If I win...oh well, I'll sell a kidney or something.

[cody2]

I'd like to have that banshee and rebuild it, but i really dont have the time or money, im looking to pay off my truck and i have a new outlaw on the way.

[Razgriz-Fighter]

They are fun to tear down and rebuild, and you can build them to whatever you want (riding style). Mine used to be an 87 all around, now its an 87 Engine with an 02 Frame, which I mostly wanted for A-arms. If you do get your hands on a banshee, enjoy modding it. Even if it takes awhile to get it to where you want it, you'll be happy.

And as others have said, jetting is the main thing for them and well proper maintenance. As far as the 2:1 carb goes, if you do lots of trail riding, mx riding, that sorta thing. Then yes maybe you will want a 2:1. Or if you do wide open riding, drags, dunes, that sorta thing. Personally I would go with dual carbs being as if they are tuned right, you will see more HP, and they are better for top end pull.

[Russell 350X]

I've only ridden one, and I wasent impressed at all. I've heard the only thing they are good for is hill climbing, and drags if set up right.

[SWIGIN]

I've only ridden one, and I wasent impressed at all. I've heard the only thing they are good for is hill climbing, and drags if set up right.

your not to far off......lol

[BigGreenMachine]

Also interested in getting a Banshee, an all black 04 thats stock except nerfs, bumper and tires. Looks real clean in the pics I have of it.

I love the handling of my 08 450R, I haven't rode anything that is as easy to ride fast as this thing. The motor I do not like overly well for slow riding. Its peakish like a smallbore twostroke and lets you know it doesn't like to lug. My Tecate had a lot more useable lowend then the R, even now with the R geared lower.

I do a lot of aggressive trail riding in tight woods as well as fast twisty fireroads where you can blast it from turn to turn.

I really want to get back on a twostroke and when my sled sells I'll be going to get that Banshee unless I find a 700 Raptor for a good price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOKa_LodhI

LOve the sound of the 2 into 1 pipe.