look what i got for free - piece of junk

[n10sivern]

a junk 1984 200x frame. yeah, i know its a beater and needs A LOT of parts to finish it off but i have a running 1985 200s that i'll likely transfer over to the 200x frame rather than restore the 200s. the frame has some rust on it but it is solid and is not rusted through. nothing a nice bead blast wouldn't take care of. any pointers on doing the swap or anything i need to get or watch out for? i can probably go to the local boneyard and pick up some of the other parts that i need but not all of them. thinking of getting maier black plastic and going completely black with the bike. i figure it isn't a true 200x so what the hell, i might as well do something other than try to make it look all original.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/200xframe.jpg

[Nick_R_23]

If you already have a complete running and driving 200s or at least one close to it, you are much better off keeping it in one piece. Almost zero parts other then the engine and maybe a few small items will interchange with a 200x. If you can find a 200x with a junk engine or a roller that would just need an engine dropped in then that is the way to go.

In order to get this one going you would need:

200x tank
200x seat
200x triple tree/forks/front wheel assy
200x brakes (calipers, master cyl's, lines)
200x carb, airbox, hoses, and intake
200x fenders if you really care about plastics
200x thumb throttle and cable
200x rear shock and linkage
200x grab bar
200x exhaust

The only things you can use off your 200s are rear wheels, engine, and wiring harness/CDI/coil, and handlebars. You wont be able to use a 200x headlight unless you put a lower wattage bulb in it. Plus, I dont know if its just the photo, but that rear axle looks really bent, you will drive yourself crazy trying to ride with it. You will also need to fab up a rear brake pedal if you want rear brakes, as the pedal bolted to the engine cases on the 200x motor.

The 200x auto swaps are really fun, but theres just not enough there to do it. Like I said before, you'd be a lot better off buying a complete one that just needed a motor.

-Nick :TrikesOwn

[big schott]

If you want a 200X then go out and buy a 200X. Take this one and sell what you have .

Axel ---prety rusty but sombody need one and will clean it up. $2

Frame ---same as axel but if you can find somebody close that will buy it and pick it up $10

Swingarm ---- Looks good and on ebay could fetch a good price. $50-$100 (maybee)

You paid the right price for it but I agree with Nick_R_23 don't take apart a running machine to make something that may or may not work. You need ALOT of parts to get that thing going. (I don't think $1000 would do it:rolleyes: ) save yourself alot of frustration and save up for a whole 200x (running) I have picked up 2 for under $1000 each and they had good plastic,ran perfect, and all the parts were all there.

Just trying to help:)

[fatcat]

or you could clean the frame and swing arm up and seel them for more

[super90]

I wouldnt even try to fix it, atleast with what you have there. Maybe sell the parts, but the axle looks pretty tweaked.

[whodovoodoo]

Ouch...Looks like a lot of work and money to make that a runner.

[MedicineMan]

FIRST, run that vin to be sure it's not on the CA "stolen list".
If it's clear, then you can get started.

Clean that mess up and rework the bearings.
Then paint it up real nice.

Then start lookin for other parts.

Pick them up as you can.

Visit other 3wheeler sites and watch e-bay.
You can snag some deals.

Pretty soon, you can have a real nice trike that YOU built yourself.
Might cost you $400-$500 to do it, but the pride is in the result.

NEVER "part out" a original or running trike.
That's killing off a piece of history.
There's enough folks doing that already.
I've seen some really nice ones sold in peices for the love of money.

WE LOVE TRIKES, not money.

[big schott]

[QUOTE=MedicineMan;685709]

Pretty soon, you can have a real nice trike that YOU built yourself.
Might cost you $400-$500 to do it, but the pride is in the result.
QUOTE]

Ahhhhhh, lets do the count...
This bike needs...
Brakes (front rear)
tires (all three with rims)
tripples
forks W/boots
handle bars
all electronics
switches
levers (left and right)
hyrolics (plus brake fluid)
headlight (plus bulb)
gas tank (plus petcock)
handle bar grips
gas cap
Motor
carb
gas hose
spark plug
sprockets (front plus a new rear one)
chain
shock
all the rubber parts
tail light
rear hubs
foot brake lever
brake cyl.
seat
Air box
filter
fenders (front and rear)
and a complete Bolt package (over $100 for the good ones)

somebody please tell me how much all this would cost it you bought each item at a time and how many things I forgot.

Not trying to be a jerk, just see a problem with your math.:rolleyes:

[Dirtcrasher]

I'm right with ya Biggy......

I rarely see anything run and roll for less than a grand and about 2000$ usually gets you a reliable and tight running decent looking trike.

I'm all with saving every trike possible though...... :beer:

[big schott]

Thats what I didn't got to, I hate seeing these good machines getting cut apart to make some "frankenstein" or just toar apart for parts.

Somebody out their has a 84 200x that has a frame that is bent and needs a good frame. Well, here is a good frame.:)

[MedicineMan]

[QUOTE=MedicineMan;685709]

Pretty soon, you can have a real nice trike that YOU built yourself.
Might cost you $400-$500 to do it, but the pride is in the result.
QUOTE]

Ahhhhhh, lets do the count...
This bike needs...
<insert long list>
somebody please tell me how much all this would cost it you bought each item at a time and how many things I forgot.

Not trying to be a jerk, just see a problem with your math.:rolleyes:

I'll let you know when I'm done with my current 200x "frame up" build project.

It's going nicely, and I'm only in it about $100 so far.

But that's ok.
If builds ain't your thing then they ain't your thang.

But don't tell the guy it's impossible, or that he'd pay anywhere near $2000 to build a good useable trike.
It just ain't so.

[n10sivern]

I now have the front forks, brake calipers, suspension shock, and a few other misc parts. I basically need the intake manifold because I think it is different than the 200s, plastic, seat, handlebars, gas tank, headlight, exhaust, and other small parts such as bolts, cables, bearings. The 200s I have needs new bearings, new cables, new gas tank, new fenders, front fork rebuild, new exhaust, and new headlight. It runs but it needs a lot of work. I figure it'll cost me about $5-600 to get the bike up and running. Just have to see.

[MedicineMan]

I now have the front forks, brake calipers, suspension shock, and a few other misc parts. I basically need the intake manifold because I think it is different than the 200s, plastic, seat, handlebars, gas tank, headlight, exhaust, and other small parts such as bolts, cables, bearings. The 200s I have needs new bearings, new cables, new gas tank, new fenders, front fork rebuild, new exhaust, and new headlight. It runs but it needs a lot of work. I figure it'll cost me about $5-600 to get the bike up and running. Just have to see.


So far, I have gotten my:

Frame
Swinger & bolt
gas tank (plus petcock) Have TWO actually. Anybody need one??
gas cap
Already had a carb
Already had Spark Plugs
gas hose
shock
Misc rubber parts
Air box
filter
seat cover
Working on a deal for fenders (rear)

and instead of a "complete Bolt package" I'm making use of the Stainless and grade 8 "BINS" at my local hardware store as well as the Bolt distributor here in town and what I already have on hand.

Some Duplicolor "rattle-cans" will provide what color I want.

Al that's needed is:

Brakes (front & rear) from caliper to masters
tires (all three with rims)
tripples
forks W/boots (did you know you can use some automotive offroad shock boots??)
handle bars
all electronics
switches
Brake lever (right)
headlight (plus bulb) MAYBE
gas tank (plus petcock)
handle bar grips
gas cap
Engine will be a 200m or 200e.
sprockets (front plus a new rear one)
chain
Misc rubber parts
won't be using a tail light
rear hubs
foot brake lever
seat
Working on some "temp" plastics for rear. Finished it will be Black or Carbon

[Mr.Lil Trikes]

Medicines right...,,,
I did a complete ground up buil on my x and i finished it off by spending a whopping total of $450. I did trade 70 and 350x stuff though. But $2000? Really? Thats a showroom bike.....Mines ok missing a few little odds and ends but its a strong runner!

[Dirtcrasher]

Medicines right...,,,
I did a complete ground up buil on my x and i finished it off by spending a whopping total of $450. I did trade 70 and 350x stuff though. But $2000? Really? Thats a showroom bike.....Mines ok missing a few little odds and ends but its a strong runner!

Showroom Condition is 5000$ and upwards easily........

People are paying 1500$ for 85/86 350X and 86/87 200X plastic alone. Another 300$ for a gas tank, 300$ for an OEM seat and on and on..... I'll never have OEM plastic because I ride all my trikes.

After the trike itself is purchased, a total investment of 2000$ gets you appx. the following:

3 new tires and rims
Rebuilt suspension
Completely rebuilt motor
Maier plastics
Rebuilt brakes
Recovered seat
New exhaust
New bars

Thats not showroom, it's already more than 2000$ and very nice and reliable but not showroom condition.......

I can't barely powdercoat a frame and all the little parts for less than 300$, rebuild forks for under 100$, build a motor in stock form for 500$ - so IDK how someone can have a "complete ground up build" for 450$. Unles ground up build means that you put it together and it runs.

Don't take it the wrong way, I've had great 250SX's I paid 500$ for that ran and ran and ran. I've seen 200$ trikes that run forever.

Trikes can be and are bought everyday for next to nothing that are daily riders.

It's all in what YOU want and what makes YOU feel comfortable and happy. Everyone's idea of "restored" and built from the "ground up" seems to have quite a different range.

Regardless, good luck on the build. There are tons of 1st generation 200X parts out there and I'm sure you can get yourself a runner for a reasonable cost :D

[aldochina]

I agree with dirt on this one, iv'e easily got 4000.00 invested in my 350x, and I havn't even started the resto yet, got most of the major parts though. It all depends on your take of a ground up build, and what your expectations of the end result are? If you are just looking to make it go you might get away under 5 bills. If all work is done in house!! I say have at it either way. There is plenty of parts out there to get it done. SAVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE!!

[Custom200]

The prices in question here are depending on how you want to do it. Yes thousands of dollars can be spent if you want a full showroom resto and that is great to see but if the frame and waht he got is ok its no trouble to make a reliable bike to beat on. If it wasn't a full resto you could make it an auto x for slightly cheaper? It is very nice to have nos parts but you dont need them. Cleaning up some old parts and using alittle ingenuity can make it a decent bike for an affordable price range alothouh it can get caught up into a money pit jsut as quick. It's just and opion and the right person can pull it off.

[Dirtcrasher]

I can't honestly believe how some people are.......

This is what Medicinee Man or "Mr Twofaced" posted at .ORG

http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=35386

Here is his topic cut and pasted:

Yes, this is about a BUILD, but first I wanna say a BIG Thank You to all you guys here.

This board is one friendly and helpful place for sure.

I was over at 3WW and saw a "kid" (?) post that he got a FREE frame and was thinking of building a 200x.

He was all excited, and feeling happy.
Then they jumped on his party train and did their best to de-rail it.
Told him it would take $1000 to $2000 to build his idea into a POS rider.

Well...... Just read it and see.......
http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/s...ad.php?t=91301

Anyway,
I told him to register over here and he wouldn't find that kind of reaction.
That HERE builds are encouraged and supported.

So maybe he'll show up and learn what I have learned............

Having a "Big" Fancy board doesn't make it the BEST Board.
Having good folks like YOU GUYS is what makes it work.

I'm proud to be here with you.






.
So, we jumped on him??

Who called it a POS??

No one here is friendly and helpful?

We discouraged him??

Or were we MERELY discussing the actual costs of a rebuild?? Or our thoughts thereof......

Your proud to be there with them? and there the BEST board??

Something wrong with our "big fancy board"??

I use and enjoy both boards, and Sprocks board and look forward to Mr ATC's board. I haven't had a chance to check out Sauls board but I'm sure there is great stuff there also. Every forum is chocked full of (EDIT) usefull information.

THANK YOU for letting us at 3WW all know how you feel :welcome:

[Blown 331]

http://forums.stlmustangs.com/style_emoticons/default/owned.gif

I agree, sometimes with somthing like that you have other options which are better and pointing them out to someone is helping them.
I've got an 85 200x all disassembled but it needs major engine work. So much that I can probably buy an ebay motor cheaper. And by the time I do that I can probably spend just another $150 or so and just get a whole running bike! So to me my 85 200x build is not seeming worth it. If I had been going through with it and someone pointed this out to me I wouldnt feel discouraged at all. I would be glad for the input and for the suggestion to take a possibly better path with the project.

[Custom200]

woah!?!?!? He sounds like someone trying to impress people with bull . Dirtcrasher is right. No one put him down. Just gave him their opions to try and keep him from possibly spending ALOT of money when it may be not the most econimcal route. I'm sure from what i've seen here that if he starts it as a project he'll have all the help with information/hook ups for parts and just encouragement that he will need. I mean come on.

[Dirtcrasher]

woah!?!?!? He sounds like someone trying to impress people with bull . Dirtcrasher is right. No one put him down. Just gave him their opions to try and keep him from possibly spending ALOT of money when it may be not the most econimcal route. I'm sure from what i've seen here that if he starts it as a project he'll have all the help with information/hook ups for parts and just encouragement that he will need. I mean come on.


Thats what pisses me off, I can't see where ANYONE said anything that MR MEDICEMAN implied.....

When you cut down 3WW, you aren't cutting down 2 or 3 guys that didn't reply the way you expected them to, you cut down thousands of members that make up this board we all love.

It appears he was merely looking for friends at .ORG which BTW, I find to be a wonderful and extremely informative board, just like this one and all the others.........

Some people DO appreciate realistic information when going head first into a rebuild, especially if it's there 1st one.

How many of us have started building just a motor or a complete machine only to realize we went WAY over budget?? These things get expensive real fast!! Almost to the point that sometimes the build gets abandoned and parted out because the cost gets too high too fast.......

Yes it can be done inexpensively, and there is nothing wrong with just honing and ringing a trike with used plastic, tires with tubes in them and spray paint. We don't all have the luxury of building ground up restored trikes for 7000$ but I know most of us do the best we have within our means :TrikesOwn

[factoryX]

is this not one of the reasons aussie is not here anymore?

[motoman110]

not bragging about my ride right now but its pretty much brand new with more then a couple of goodies on it. What do I have invested so far into it? About $2k, thats a brand new motor, new tires all around, ct pipe, and a 4 plus axle. Sometimes deals like this can go your way and you can pull the right strings to end up with a great rider. Whats to loose if you have fun with the project?

[maggiesboy]

when I finally gave up on my Tri-Z I had over $6500.00 into it. Had a new oem cylinder been available, I would have paid whatever price it cost. I loved that trike, and I just couldn't put another penny into it. It went from this.....

http://a974.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_fc32cbe12d939aaeddd931e768045a3d.jpg


to this....

http://a206.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_787d8df86218decac53e83cca52af0ad.jpg

Don't give up unless your wife is going to pull the plug on you.

[edog]

when I finally gave up on my Tri-Z I had over $6500.00 into it. Had a new oem cylinder been available, I would have paid whatever price it cost. I loved that trike, and I just couldn't put another penny into it. It went from this.....

http://a974.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_fc32cbe12d939aaeddd931e768045a3d.jpg


to this....

http://a206.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_787d8df86218decac53e83cca52af0ad.jpg

Don't give up unless your wife is going to pull the plug on you.

What she taking from you?
lol

[n10sivern]

First off, I appreciate the information at both boards and nobody's response here is gonna discourage me as I KNOW I can do the build for less than $2000. I could have done without some of big schotts comments. I'm not tearing down a perfectly good 200s to make a "Frankenstein". I'm tearing down a POS 200s that just happens to run. he could have kept that comment to himself but opinions are like Aholes everybody has them and this is the internet, post what you want. I'm man enough to take it and might even learn something. Sometimes the biggest pricks are the most knowledgeable. I am not looking for a factory restoration, just a bike with the power of the 200s with a sold suspension rather than a hardtail. I have most all the parts for free. Bought a tank for $30 that needs a dent bondo'd and new paint but I can live with that. It'll look new when I'm done. 200s Engine already runs, it just needs new gaskets and seals. The only major parts I need for the 200x is the fenders, seat, exhaust, and airbox assembly which I can probably get the airbox for free. All in all to pieces of the bike, I'll have the cost of the fenders ($170), seat, exhaust ($150) and the $30 tank. The real cost is all I the smaller stuff like bolts ($50), bearings($60 for front, rear, and swingarm), cables ($50 for throttle and brakes), paint, primer, sand blast costs. I should be able to reuse my wheels and tires. The wheels are stock but are in good shape. In the end I just was a nice looking, fun, reliable rider. I figure I'll have under $1000 in it. I would spend probable $500-700 to put the 200s where it needs to be so I might as well spend a few mor bucks and get a suspension frame. The 200s needs the motor seals and gaskets, fork rebuild, tank, plastic, seat, bearings and cables, exhaust, etc. It runs but needs a lot of work.

[big schott]

First off, I appreciate the information at both boards and nobody's response here is gonna discourage me as I KNOW I can do the build for less than $2000. I could have done without some of big schotts comments. I'm not tearing down a perfectly good 200s to make a "Frankenstein". I'm tearing down a POS 200s that just happens to run. he could have kept that comment to himself but opinions are like Aholes everybody has them and this is the internet, post what you want. I'm man enough to take it and might even learn something. Sometimes the biggest pricks are the most knowledgeable. I am not looking for a factory restoration, just a bike with the power of the 200s with a sold suspension rather than a hardtail. I have most all the parts for free. Bought a tank for $30 that needs a dent bondo'd and new paint but I can live with that. It'll look new when I'm done. 200s Engine already runs, it just needs new gaskets and seals. The only major parts I need for the 200x is the fenders, seat, exhaust, and airbox assembly which I can probably get the airbox for free. All in all to pieces of the bike, I'll have the cost of the fenders ($170), seat, exhaust ($150) and the $30 tank. The real cost is all I the smaller stuff like bolts ($50), bearings($60 for front, rear, and swingarm), cables ($50 for throttle and brakes), paint, primer, sand blast costs. I should be able to reuse my wheels and tires. The wheels are stock but are in good shape. In the end I just was a nice looking, fun, reliable rider. I figure I'll have under $1000 in it. I would spend probable $500-700 to put the 200s where it needs to be so I might as well spend a few mor bucks and get a suspension frame. The 200s needs the motor seals and gaskets, fork rebuild, tank, plastic, seat, bearings and cables, exhaust, etc. It runs but needs a lot of work.


Hey First off. I don't want any hard feelings, OK.:beer

I just saw a frame and swingarm and I saw ALOT of $$$$$$$$$$ needed to get it running. I have been there before and I just want to help, even if its tough love. 3 years ago I got a 1981 200 for $25. By the time I was done it cost me almost $800 and it never ran right. If it wasn't for the 200X and this forum I probably would have walked away from 3-wheelers all together.

I guess I just wanted to make sure you didn't get $1000 into something that you thought you would have running for $500 and you get discouraged and walk away.
Keep up the build and keep the pics comming!

[n10sivern]

Hey First off. I don't want any hard feelings, OK.:beer

I just saw a frame and swingarm and I saw ALOT of $$$$$$$$$$ needed to get it running. I have been there before and I just want to help, even if its tough love. 3 years ago I got a 1981 200 for $25. By the time I was done it cost me almost $800 and it never ran right. If it wasn't for the 200X and this forum I probably would have walked away from 3-wheelers all together.

I guess I just wanted to make sure you didn't get $1000 into something that you thought you would have running for $500 and you get discouraged and walk away.
Keep up the build and keep the pics comming!

no hard feelings. figured $500-1000 to get it up and running. when i first posted it was just of the frame because that is all that i had at the time. i had to go back and go to my brother in law to get the rest of the parts. there are still probably more parts to be had at the boneyard but i haven't had time to go back....not to mention this isn't my primary project at the moment. i need to finish up the atc90 restoration for my brother and start on my atc90 while i still have every bolt size and place memorized. it'll be probably 3-6 months before i even start on the 200x...and i still have a 185s to rebuild and possibly getting a 250 big red to rebuild. at the moment i'm just collecting parts. below is a pic of the 1973 atc90 i'm restoring. trust me, after going through my current project, i have a pretty good idea what stuff costs barring any unforseen circumstances.

before (rusted to hell and back, fenders cracked to pieces, and tank dented and rusted. had been sitting up for about 5 years. my parents bought it new in 1973.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/DSC00963-1.jpg


up til now, i have about $800 into it. motor just needs to be painted and dropped in and seat finished being recovered. the money includes another set of fenders that had to be repaired, paint, bearings, tires, cables, carb kit, engine gasket and seal kit, wiring harness, seat cover and foam, sandblasting, brakes, bulbs, rings, stem bearings, new grips, air filter, bolt kit, original exhaust that had to have some welding done, and misc other stuff.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/006.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/007.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/008.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/009.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n70/n10sivern/atc90s/green/atc90.jpg

[Custom200]

Thats a really sweet 90

[tri-Z ripper]

wow what a read good luck with the 200s to x conversion and nice 90~!

[300rman]

that frame isnt worth saving.....to save that, you would be killing 4-5 other trikes.

[n10sivern]

that frame isnt worth saving.....to save that, you would be killing 4-5 other trikes.

How do you figure that?

[Custom200]

I dont see that either. Obvisuly you wouldn't be buying full bikes for certain parts. If the parts are for sale seperate It's gonna be sold anyway which wouldnt lead to scraping any more bikes. If n10sivern doesnt buy the parts to do it i'm sure someone else will so.....