The Great Weight Race is on! UPDATE: Ohlins rear shock and LSR antifade locknut [Archive]

NINJA

01-22-2009, 08:41 PM

Over the winter I've been putting my 86R on a steady diet to shed it of some unnecessary weight. What the weight saving mods are is pretty easy to guess but I've got a couple up my sleeve that I'm pretty sure no one else will have.:w00t: Since I'm putting my poor trike through all this I figured I better lose some weight too. Those PBRs haven't been kind to my ninja physique this winter and neither has being newly married:lol:

So here is my idea: Let's start a weight race, not only on our trikes but also on ourselves. Everybody knows that less weight is like free horsepower. Everyone usually concentrates on cutting weight from their machines but doesn't stop to think how much cheaper and more effective it is to lose weight themselves.

So is anybody with me on this? I'm doing this regardless if anyone else is, but it would be easier if I had other people to compete against. I'm thinking let's do it over a three month span. Have a pic of the scale with your starting weight and a pic of the scale with your end weight after the three months. For the trikes we'll start with the factory weight and end with a pic of the trike on the scale and it's weight then.

Any suggestions, ideas, or sarcastic remarks?:welcome:

SYKO

01-22-2009, 08:49 PM

I dont care how much my trike wieghs or myself... its got a 500.

NINJA

01-22-2009, 08:53 PM

So how much do you weigh Syko? I'm starting out at 238.

Autophysn

01-22-2009, 09:00 PM

I dont care how much my trike wieghs or myself... its got a 500.

Ha Ha, now that is funny!

But he has a point, hell, I am at 320lbs. if I lost 100lbs, I am sure the bike would be a whole other beast, not to mention less abuse for the poor thing LOL!

I am in!

I will take pic's later when I get home

SYKO

01-22-2009, 09:16 PM

So how much do you weigh Syko? I'm starting out at 238.

im about 250

The Goat

01-22-2009, 09:20 PM

I don't have a scale, but I'm down for this, put me down for 307...with a 330 pound 350x, that's a total weight of 637

...can't shave any weight off the x, I can shave about 80 pounds off before I start looking retarded.

I'm already kind of on a diet...just eating 5 times a day as opposed to once...and only eating decent stuff. If this is a competition though, I'll break out the running shoes, spinach, wheat bread, and fat free hot dogs. then it'll be ON.

Yamada

01-22-2009, 09:22 PM

What are your goal for you and your machine NINJA?

NINJA

01-22-2009, 09:44 PM

03 ORANGE SHEE

01-22-2009, 09:55 PM

no wonder i can get the "mantis" IN THE MID 4.0'S in 300 feet. i weight 132lbs!:lol:

NINJA

01-22-2009, 09:57 PM

I'd say that has a little something to do with it.

The Goat

01-22-2009, 09:58 PM

oh you skinny mother....

132 pounds...jesus....you make jesus look obese.

ATC-Eric

01-22-2009, 09:59 PM

Im in, more for me then my machine. Im sittin at about 230, and well I guess the machine Ill choose for weight loss is the Hyde bike if I can ever get the damned thing done.

Ill get scale pics soon........

ATC-Eric

01-22-2009, 10:00 PM

no wonder i can get the "mantis" IN THE MID 4.0'S in 300 feet. i weight 132lbs!:lol:

Im gonna have to scan a pic of me when I was 130. It didnt look right.

03 ORANGE SHEE

01-22-2009, 10:10 PM

ronnie and i talked about making a alumiunm drag frame for the mantis or the red/black one i have. i might save 10 pounds max, but it would look bada$$, and trick all polished up!
three wheelers are fairly light to begin with, its very hard to shave alot of lbs. off compared to a quad.

The Goat

01-22-2009, 10:22 PM

hmmm......so what's the prize for losing the most?

ooooooh I know!......a sandwich!

03 ORANGE SHEE

01-22-2009, 10:27 PM

this guys got some work to do...:beer

KASEY

01-22-2009, 10:28 PM

Thus is gonna be fun as hell! Yes this is a competition. My goal is 200 pounds for myself and 240 for my 86R after 3 months. Longterm is 180 for me and 235 for the R. This is dry weight of course on the trike
i am very interested in how you are going to shave 60 pounds off a 250r ... i am starting on a ultra lite 250r for my daughter and i can't see more than about 40 off of it,,,, bringing it to 250 so let us know the plan,,,

i am starting with a 86 250r weighing 290,,,

Dammit!

01-22-2009, 10:29 PM

You should have started this in October. I lost 25lbs the first two months of working this job. I've been holding steady around 175lbs since then but I'm sure I'll drop some more if I'm still working here when the triple digit temps come back.

I lost 50lbs in four months once before (and another handful a couple months after that). And that was living on my usual diet of 100% fast food since I can't cook. :lol:

firefirefire90

01-22-2009, 10:33 PM

I'm guessing you're going to follow the CT racing plan of shedding weight? I know Dove was trying to pull that. Same with Dammit... expensive though. Removeable subframe would be pretty cool though!

shoot you fatties give me weight! I'm a scrawny 235 right now... Need to gain some pounds

The Goat

01-22-2009, 10:36 PM

football player or something?

I can hit you up with a diet guaranteed to put on the pounds

high in protein, good fats, and not too bad in carbs.

firefirefire90

01-22-2009, 10:41 PM

Yes sir. I also need to get back in the gym. I've been slacking lately. I normally got the route of steak and potatoes, but i'm open to other options... right now i'm looking into weight vests. Need to get my run on more with some extra weight.

nathanronan

01-22-2009, 10:41 PM

well i definatly cant join this comp. I only weigh about 150

oscarmayer

01-22-2009, 11:42 PM

i'm 195. :P
can;t wait to get me R workin!

atctim

01-23-2009, 09:26 AM

I am in - I will have to weigh my trike - but right now I am tipping the scales at 249 Lbs.

ditchmud

01-23-2009, 09:38 AM

this guys got some work to do...:beer

Looks like me now that I've been laid off getting lazy and Trolling all day in this forum! I should join this competition but a little scared to see what the scale would say. I'm thinking 280lbs.trr

The Goat

01-23-2009, 10:26 AM

join the rest of us fatties.

Just ate a half bag of tuna for breakfast... It was good then just slowly turned horrible.

I reckon I can cut back to 1500 calories or so, and just eat like 5 times a day as opposed to once.

I get to scamper around Lsu campus all morning too.

I need sugar free redbull... Stat.

freaksfix

01-23-2009, 10:36 AM

I already lost all the weight I can.. When me and the ex-wife split 2 years ago I lost a ton of weight.. I was pushing 245-250 befor we split.. Ive found that its pretty easy to brink your appatite away.. The more id drink the less of an appatite id have. I wieght 195-200 now, im actully tring to put some weight back on.. I was kinda in a bad place then and have come to relize it now, tring to be a little more healthy..

If the drinking thing dont work for you, ya can always get hooked on crack or try AIDS... lol....

ATC-Eric

01-23-2009, 02:36 PM

Loose weight with aids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itv4bhQDyPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1WkHb0OToY

Billy Golightly

01-23-2009, 02:47 PM

brapp

01-23-2009, 03:13 PM

ig to my 85 r shaves down to 210 lbs and thats even with the heavy stock steel swingarm i am lookgin for osmeoen who can make me a plus2 aluminum one and i am workign on a jig for a aluminum frame for it also my goal is 200 even! but i have also elimitaed the front brakes foot peg miunts machined out of aluminum and fliped cut ever un nessicary tab off the frame and bored various hole sin places. eliminated rear shock and linkage , airbox, and electrical system and front forks are now 3 lbs of aluminum between the forks and tripples. and axleis 4100 ? series titanium not shure. dont rember what grad eit was back when we mad eit but i am also workign on a super light weight front hub and goign to copy the pt high rev but make it out of light thin wall aluminum. and even cut allthe un nessicary knobs of fthe front and rear tires woudl love to get asand tire on the front. and a set of zippers on the back . ps i am also 235-240 lbs depends if you catch me in the mornign or afternoon.

Hoosier_Daddy

01-23-2009, 03:45 PM

I'll get in on this. I'm at 250 right now. I hurt my back a while ago. Got married and quit smoking. All that has taken it toll on me. I have been looking to get back in shape. Maybe this will be the boost I need. My trike probably won't win but I am shaving some weight off it as well.

NINJA

01-23-2009, 04:14 PM

i am very interested in how you are going to shave 60 pounds off a 250r ... i am starting on a ultra lite 250r for my daughter and i can't see more than about 40 off of it,,,, bringing it to 250 so let us know the plan,,,

i am starting with a 86 250r weighing 290,,,

You caught me Kasey. For some reason last night while I was at work I had it in my head that an R was 277 lbs. I got home late last night and started looking at my Honda brochure and discovered to my embarrassment that that is the weight of the 86 200X which I've also been working on. OOPS! So, starting at 291 for the R and dropping 30-40 pounds of it is the goal. But yes, I will be using tricks from the CT ultralight project and a few of my own. This will be an MX setup. "Gentlemen, we have the technology..."

Brapp, a new front spindle is in the works for me also, hopefully I can get enough of these made to sell some. A removable aluminum subframe is also in the works on my 85 frame as well as my 86. :pics: will be coming in the ensuing next couple of months. Once again, I will try to get enough of these subframes made so that others can have them too. Basically, I've spent the past couple of months getting all my ducks in a row to make this happen. When it all comes together it will be a blitz build. Wish me luck and good fortune times are tough for alot of people right now, but I am determined to finally do this and so far it is looking positive.

NINJA

01-23-2009, 04:22 PM

I can't really cut anymore weight off of my 500R, but I'd be in for some type of a personal weight contest. To make it fair, could we do percentages? I only need to lose about 30lb myself but I'd be built like a freakin brick wall if I managed to do it.

That's exactly the plan Billy, percentages. We should also have some sort of prize at the end and a good way to verify the results. We also need to establish an official start date and end date for this comp. I'll give it a couple more days here to see who is all in on this and then we should have a list of everyone who's competing made up.

Billy Golightly

01-23-2009, 05:36 PM

Sounds like a plan, I always struggle the hardest with motivation, and I think doing this will definitely help. We need to have daily "weigh-ins" and maybe a weekly total round up too, I think that a lone will be a major contributor into the motivation factor. Would be for me atleast.

NINJA

01-23-2009, 05:50 PM

Agreed Billy, that would help alot for motivation. A daily weigh in might be a little excessive to post but a weekly weigh in sounds pretty doable.

ditchmud

01-24-2009, 08:30 AM

We could have swimsuit competition at trikefest! I will get into a nice speedo:eek: :eek: :eek:

edog

01-24-2009, 09:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61AN4fynDM&feature=related

tanks350x

01-24-2009, 10:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61AN4fynDM&feature=related

Edog,, you just need to stop that right NOW!!!!! LMAO :lol:

NINJA

01-24-2009, 07:41 PM

I just picked up an aluminum airbox for my 86 SWEEEEET! Who else here has them? Is anybody else ready to join the weight race? I'm starting it on Monday.

Dirtcrasher

01-24-2009, 08:02 PM

Well, I'm FAT!! at 5-11 and 210lbs and my FAT 350X (she doesn't eat much!!) but I can't commit to much so I have to be careful!!

I dropped allot of weight pretty quick a couple years back when I started running, but with 3' of snow on the road, I'm hesitant to start running again!!

Truth be told, you never feel better about yourself than when your in even half decent shape... When you don't fell happy about yourself, you don't fell happy about anything!!

Tri-Z Pilot

01-25-2009, 04:34 AM

The Goat

01-25-2009, 03:30 PM

I been doing fairly well eating subway, sandwiches on wheat no cheese, tons of spinach, and lean meat.

Someone actually commented last night at tye fights that I was losing a little. Piss in a storm.

My problem is I need a good scale.

Dirtcrasher

01-25-2009, 03:43 PM

NINJA

01-25-2009, 04:17 PM

Hey Ninja, I'm in for one of those aluminum subframes, will probably have to hold out on powder for the 500 now. What are your projected costs and completion date for the subs, if you have a rough idea.

I should have a fairly accurate answer for that by tomorrow evening. I'll keep you posted.:beer

DeePa

01-25-2009, 04:19 PM

veggie sandwiches at subway are pretty good...

NINJA

01-25-2009, 04:27 PM

Who needs Subway when your wife works at goddam hippie health food store! I swear to god every fruit and veggie in our house is fricken organic and blessed by buddha or some chit. LOL oh well, we get most of it for free because the hippies have to have everything fresh, so if it's a couple days old, my wife gets it.

maggiesboy

01-25-2009, 05:49 PM

So how much do you weigh Syko? I'm starting out at 238.

238? wow, a little guy :D

New years day I was 292, last Saturday I was at 281. I'm in with you!

edog

01-25-2009, 06:14 PM

Me and my 250R won't be joining the amazing weight lose challenge. We will be spectating. I will be the one eating white beans and rice!!!!!:acr

The Goat

01-26-2009, 01:48 AM

Well there was a scale at the gas station... Guess all that good food for the last few years caught up to me. Lol. 322 pounds. The same as my x. Lol

Time to run and scamper.

330 was what I weighed in january of 04. By may I was 245-250. It's about that time.

Btw ninja, I hear you on that organic stuff. Organic green apples are fricken amazing. They are fairly small and don't look so good, but there the best apples ever.

I actually hit the whole foods store when cooking. Peppers are cheap as hell over there...And they typically have the more exotic kinds. That and that pineapple juice that's 9 dollars a quart is also the best stuff ever.

NINJA

01-26-2009, 07:57 PM

LOL Unfortunately Goat, I know exactly what you're talking about. Well guys the day has come to start the race. As far as the aluminum subframes cost estimate goes, I still don't have a price yet. I'm gonna need a couple more days on that, the shop's been very busy.

Tonight is the night to post your pics of your weight on the scale.

NINJA

01-26-2009, 08:02 PM

Here's mine:beer Damn, looking more like 239-240 for me!

NINJA

01-28-2009, 06:24 PM

So what's the deal? There was a handful of you guys that said you were in on this but then never posted pics to prove it. Am I gonna have to do a restart on this?

firefirefire90

01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

the fatties are too ashamed to come outa McDonalds for this one!

The Goat

01-28-2009, 07:41 PM

easy ya skinny trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro... I'm the fattest one here! maybe, actually I think one or two may beat me.

I'm light on me feet though...so watch it.

Ninja I'll stop at the gas station on the way home and snap a picture of the weight. I don't have a scale at the house.

and that damned pineapple juice might be the greatest tasting beverage on the planet.

SYKO

01-28-2009, 08:01 PM

Me and my 250R won't be joining the amazing weight lose challenge. We will be spectating. I will be the one eating white beans and rice!!!!!:acr

who cares what you do? not like it will improve any performance since you DONT RIDE!:rolleyes:

NINJA

01-29-2009, 04:38 PM

who cares what you do? not like it will improve any performance since you DONT RIDE!:rolleyes:

LOLZ Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!

Goat, thanks for being the only other member that is actually stepping up for this challenge. Billy, where'd you go on this one? I thought for sure you'd be posting to start.

The Goat

01-29-2009, 06:26 PM

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/roundheya/Picture014.jpg

326 and counting...I know I lost more than a pound. Cause I cleared two gallons of water while I was at work and never got around to pissing before hopping on this scale.

since it costs me a quarter to use the scale...I'll be doing mine every week. lol

NINJA

01-29-2009, 08:17 PM

Well here ya go boys, the aluminum airbox is a go. I can sell these for $150 shipped if anyone is interested. They aren't lighter than the stock airbox but they are trick as hell.:w00t:
The aluminum subframe project has started way. It's costing me around $800 for the first to be made up plus materials. The good news is it will cost less to make up the rest of them. I'll be selling them for about $500 shipped. They will be made of 6061 and will accept a stock grab bar to be bolted on. I won't have pics for a few weeks but I'm putting it out there if anyone is interested.

NINJA

01-29-2009, 08:21 PM

and some more.....

The Goat

01-29-2009, 08:42 PM

wish you were making those for the 350x...I think I need one.

honda250sx

01-29-2009, 10:36 PM

Hella nice work Ninja. SICK.

You a fab man by trade?

Us machinist,fabricators must stick together ya know!

Red Rider

01-30-2009, 01:59 AM

NINJA

01-31-2009, 05:49 PM

Hold on guys, I'm not the fabricator of these parts, I'm just the designer. I have a friend at a local fab shop that does the real work. I can't weld aluminum very well, it's one of my weakpoints. No, the swingarm will not interfere with the airbox. I am working on the design of an even lower profile one though just in case. After all, this is on my rider.

edog

01-31-2009, 05:53 PM

who cares what you do? not like it will improve any performance since you DONT RIDE!:rolleyes:

Wow you look gayer than me. Some would have thought that impossible:TrikesOwn . Way to prov um wrong syco chicken. Rides away.......he:D

NINJA

02-02-2009, 04:21 PM

So, I guess it's just The Goat and I competing in the weight race? No one else has posted pics of their weight. You still can if you want. Also, is no one interested in an aluminum airbox or subframe for their R? I'm a little surprised no one wants one of these badboys? After all, I'm the one shelling out the money and time for all the R&D to make these parts readily available at a reasonable price for others. What gives guys?

atctim

02-02-2009, 04:25 PM

Ninja - I am in on the great weight race. I will take a picture of my weight and post it up in a jiffy.

Do we have a finish date? Like when is this over? 3 months? 6 months?

OK - what an embarrassing photo - I am a real fatty!

http://www.venustel.com/~tkeister/scale.JPG

Also - Ninja - maybe try putting up you sub-frame and air box innovations in the new product design / development thread section.

The Goat

02-02-2009, 09:22 PM

all I know is the fried alligator, crab dip, seafood stuffed potato, stuffed flounder, and lemon pie was not part of the diet plan yesterday.

damn good cajun food.

back to eating rabbit food...

atctim

02-02-2009, 11:03 PM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - had me a big healthy spinich salad for dinner with non-fat dressing! Gotta keep eating this crap and like it!

The Goat

02-02-2009, 11:49 PM

I ate a 4 pound bag of spinach the other night...no dressing...no nothing. just sitting there munching on it.

also found this generic koolaid stuff at walmart that is sugar free...I've been knocking down gallons of water a day. lol.

only taking health food with me when I run up to nebraska this weekend...no energy drinks even when I'm on the road.

Kintore

02-03-2009, 09:14 AM

Im in, I want to get to 175/180lbs. Im normally around 202-203 but I work nights and this is after my shift so I ate food... You are suppose to weigh yourself in the morning anyway.
Major thing ive been cuttin back on is beer! Less fast food and excercise its really simple!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/JoshBall/P2010042.jpg

NINJA

02-03-2009, 07:03 PM

Thanks for posting the photos guys. The end date is May 5th for the weight race. Also, I'm not putting the airbox or subframe in another section unless I can get somebody to commit to buying one of these. So, here I will start a list. Just copy and paste your name if you are in for one of these.

Aluminum airbox: $150 shipped
1. NINJA
2.
3.
4.
5.

Aluminum subframe: $500 shipped
1. NINJA
2.
3.
4.
5.

2.

bigboy_toy85

02-04-2009, 12:00 PM

ok, well I don't have a scale, but I do need to loose weight.

so I'm 16 years old at 170, and my big red is at 400 I think, so that's 570 pounds.

I'll find a scale at the end. So my goal is to be to 130is and the big red to be 370 that's the most I think can come off of both me and bigred.

NINJA

02-11-2009, 01:20 AM

Just scored a nice Ohlins rear shock and LSR antifade locknut and hub off ebay. As some of you know I'm a diehard Ohlins fan. Their shocks last forever, they're the first I ever learned to valve and rebuild, they're trick as hell, and, they come from the factory as close to right as the average tuner can get:w00t: Got it for around a bucksventy including shipping! The LSR hub had a BIN of $69, can't go wrong there, perfect splines and no stripped threads. I will compare the weight of the stock 250R shock vs the Ohlins tomorrow. I will also be comparing the weight of the LSR brake hub/locknut assembly vs the stock components tomorrow.

Anyone else picking up lighter components or comparing weights of them? Post it up here if you are.

IMPORTANT NOTE: If any member can post the weight of a stock 86 250R swinger, and a stock aluminum fourcrax swinger, please do so.

aldochina

02-11-2009, 01:56 AM

I might get in on this weight race, I was supposed to get fit for my new years resolution, but havnt started yet, I think i'm around 230. I probably cant loose more than10-15 pounds, because all my fat is pretty much in me belly, and we all no thats the hardest to carve from. Been out of the gym for 3 years, its time. I'll post the official weigh in soon.

ceaserthethird

02-11-2009, 03:41 AM

Count me in - I gain 15lbs. in 1 month :eek: !

Here's a Picture of weigh in 219.4 lbs trr

factoryX

02-11-2009, 04:45 AM

any pics of the sub frame? and also pics of installation?

Autophysn

02-11-2009, 05:42 AM

ahhhhhh, sorry guys, I have been so damn busy and stressed out, I haven't even had time to get started on this.

I know, it is not an excuse, I know. I will get on it asap:( Xowner

atctim

02-11-2009, 09:15 AM

So how long do we have? Do we do periodic weight check ins?

What's the deal here guys? Anybody loose any weight yet? I'm down 6 pounds already!

Kintore

02-11-2009, 09:37 AM

202 so that makes me at 2.5 gone

Yamada

02-11-2009, 10:13 AM

I'm at 240 pounds today. But I don't have a scale for my trike...
Edit: added the picture:eek:

NINJA

02-11-2009, 02:02 PM

The subframe isn't built yet, I've been busy and been careful with my money. I'm glad some of you guys are posting your weights and checking in. I'm at 231 now, not bad progress. Here are some pics.

The Goat

02-11-2009, 02:32 PM

I was 321 and then 316 preroadtrip.

Did eat crap food on the road when I ran outnof apples water and v8.

I'll weigh in on Friday.

I have a few little weight saving features for the 350x... We shall see.

NINJA

02-13-2009, 12:43 AM

C'mon Goat, spill the beans. What are your projected plans for the 3fiddy?

The Goat

02-13-2009, 12:48 AM

check the thread buddy. a couple of things add weight...a couple of things drop weight.

that axcalibar axle certainly doesn't hurt though. BOOM

aldochina

02-16-2009, 12:16 PM

sorry its taken so long to get weighed in. I'm already lighter than I thought, but the wife just got me a monster box of russel stover chocolates, and I'm a sucker for chocolate! Good to see some of you dropping the pounds already. If anyone needs any workout tips for those problem spots let me know.

The Goat

02-16-2009, 01:40 PM

All my weight is in the torso and arms. Legs are solid... Chest has a measurement of 56 inches or so. So yeah, cut off this gut. Lol

aldochina

02-16-2009, 02:29 PM

:lol: thing with the gut, which is my problem, is you can do all the abb work you want, but it just wont show unless you clean up the diet and add lots of cardiovascular.

NINJA

02-17-2009, 01:04 AM

Yup, gut is my problem too. It looks like I'm wearing a 250R dunlop when I have on a tight shirt! Not cool!

The Goat

02-17-2009, 02:01 AM

Lookks like I'm wearing a 27 inch trail pro

Twilight

02-17-2009, 02:28 AM

Man you all would hate me... 130lbs =)

NINJA

02-17-2009, 05:16 PM

Just reminding you guys to post your weigh in pics by tomorrow to see what kind of progress was made last week. Also, this is still a trike thread, so anyone with proposed weight loss for their trikes please share your ideas or new parts with us.

NINJA

02-19-2009, 03:02 AM

Hmmm, is no one weighing in? Has this become a social experiment gone awry? I'm at 226 this week. Not as much progress as I wanted, but progress nonetheless.

Remember, the end date for this is May 5th.

Kintore

02-19-2009, 09:18 AM

Just did it,
im at..........
199.5

Broke and ole 200 mark BARLY!! Still working on it for sure. But hey, I was at like 208 or something!

The Goat

02-19-2009, 09:22 AM

I'm just sitting at 318, road trip food and aitting still for 40 hours killed me.

May fifth eh alright

I'll weigh in when there is actually progress

bigpimpin

02-19-2009, 09:47 AM

NINJA

02-19-2009, 02:39 PM

nice box. if you do a search someone put a trx aluminum box on a R it seems to be an upgrade

Huh. Thanks for the info. I'm searching right now. Also,thanks for weighing in guys.
Goat, if you're going to be sitting alot at your job then I suggest getting up off your azz and doing some honest work! J/K Actually try taking a guarana supplement it will hijack your metabolism and help you to still lose weight in extended periods of physical inactivity, plus it gives you a sweet buzz when it first kicks in.:w00t: Drawbacks are that it makes you chatty and when you get hungry you REALLY get hungry!