Any tutorials you can post or advice, taking off the rear axle of my 350X [Archive]

tri-Z ripper

03-10-2009, 03:18 PM

first off look up trike manuals here on the search menu download yourself a manual! that is the basic after that i can tell ya how what year 85 or 86? it is pretty easy but your gonna need some pb blaster or other and a deadblow hammer or rubber mallet of some sorts cause chances are some parts are gonna be stuck! but here is a basic rundown take off the right rear wheel the brake side take off the hub, remove the rear brake caliper on the holder 2 bolts now if you have a wrench big enough which you should before you start start with the outer or larger locknut and it is reverse thread so what would normally be tight is to loosen. then back that puppy up quite a bit and loosen the inner lock nut far enough back to remove the collar and lock ring, once those are removed you have to remove the threaded collar in front of the brake hub that will most likely need some persuasion. then remove the brake hub with the disc still on. remove the chain. loosen the lock bolt on the carrier and both allen head bolts rubber seals etc. now weather its 85 or 86 you have to remove the brake holer with an e-clip remover and note the outside on the e-clip. place the axel nut on the end of the axel and beat the crap out of it should push the axel out of the bearing carrier and vola!!

chris200x

03-10-2009, 03:58 PM

You'll save yourself a big headeache if you have the proper tool to take that snap ring off. those things are one big PITA to get on and off.;)

tri-Z ripper

03-10-2009, 04:47 PM

got the same pair from home cheapo chris and i picked up an 18" and 24" wrenches from harbor freight for like $30 bucks you only need the 18" to get off any locknut but i got the 24" for some extra persuasion

DeePa

03-10-2009, 05:13 PM

service manual does wonders...especially since they are hosted for free

Dirtcrasher

03-10-2009, 06:40 PM

^ Careful, your starting to sound like me :D :lol:

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 06:38 PM

service manual does wonders...especially since they are hosted for free

First thing I did after purchasing the bike, was get a manual. As I do with every bike I ever buy. I didn't make this thread for sole purpose of people telling me how to do what I can read in the manual. I asked for advice or "tutorials" because that is where you learn the little things about what to expect. Just like tri-z ripper offering some advice about how hard things might come apart. And chris200x offering advice about tools.

These trikes are 20+ years old and I understand that things don't always work as easy as the manual says they should. That's when i come here for advice from experienced people who have been through it.

That being said, Those nuts on the axle are a real B-word to get off. I'm waiting for some PB Blaster to soak in right now because i can't get them to budge, even with a giant wrench.

chris200x

03-11-2009, 07:02 PM

Oh, dont' forget to take that snap ring off. you won't be able to take that bigass nut off without removing that clip from the groove. Took me an hour to figure that one out. :lol:

i58829

03-11-2009, 07:09 PM

I know the giant adjustable wrench is a hero when it come to the fade nuts, but i picked up a pair of channel-lock pliers at home depot that had angles in them for grabbing on nuts and bolts. The larger pair is perfect for grabbing on the round part of the fade nut so you dont round off the corners of the hex. I've had much better luck this way and i think its because you get a good grip in the center over the threads and you reduce any flex that the splines or threads may have...

*EDIT I forgot the fade nut has backwards threads like ripper stated, and Chris said it must be backed all the way off, almost to the rotor hub in order to get the snap ring off the axle. That little 3/16 sleeve that spins free of the fade nut assy on the wheel side has the ring under it and it keeps the rear from flying apart when you ride.

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:07 PM

OK, yeah, I got the snap ring off and finally broke the big nut lose. I'm turning it clockwise because it's backward threads. Problem is, it seems to be just turning and unscrewing off. Is there something else I have to do before that big nut turns off there or am I looking at a possible stripped nut?

tanks350x

03-11-2009, 09:19 PM

you don't have to take that big nut all the way off, it's on a splined collar that should slide off the axle.. Then the brake rotor, (which is on a splined collar as well)should come off as well

i58829

03-11-2009, 09:20 PM

The big nut, and the 'sleeve' nut i have the pliers on both thread onto the a threaded piece that simply slides onto the splines of the axle. If you have the snap ring off then you can just slide that whole piece off and you'll get the threaded part and the 2 nuts. Does that make sense?

When i took one of mine apart i did need to use some 80 grit sand paper and just rub it all around the axle where the snap ring was because the splines and the edge of the 'sleeve' nut are very close to the same size in diameter as the axle. You may just be getting a little resistance from dirt or rust as you're trying to slide it off...

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:26 PM

OK, Thanks. That was actually my fault. No patience. I kept turning it and it came off. OK, I have everything off the brake side of the axle.

Laugh if you need to, But how do I get the chain off this thing? No chain tensioner like my Tecate. haha. I don't know how to get slack in the chain to take it off.

DeePa

03-11-2009, 09:27 PM

read your manual

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:27 PM

you don't have to take that big nut all the way off, it's on a splined collar that should slide off the axle.. Then the brake rotor, (which is on a splined collar as well)should come off as wellI realized that AFTER I got it off. haha

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:29 PM

read your manual
Manual just says to remove the master link. No tensioner on these things?

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:30 PM

read your manualAnd, as far as the manual goes, what i just went through getting the stuff off of the axle, the manual didn't help me worth jack, if these guys hadn't been giving advice.

i58829

03-11-2009, 09:30 PM

read your manual

Haha it's easier to ask here. The bearing carrier is the chain tensioner on a 350x. Loosen the 2 allen bolts in the swinger, and turn the carrier which ever way will put slack into the chain. Or just undo the master link.

Also it may be a little sluggish to get the axle out, be careful to not hammer on the threads and mushroom the right side of the axle and it exits the carrier from the left side if you're looking at it from behind the machine...

tanks350x

03-11-2009, 09:31 PM

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:33 PM

Haha it's easier to ask here. The bearing carrier is the chain tensioner on a 350x. Loosen the 2 allen bolts in the swinger, and turn the carrier which ever way will put slack into the chain. Or just undo the master link.

Also it may be a little sluggish to get the axle out, be careful to not hammer on the threads and mushroom the right side of the axle and it exits the carrier from the left side if you're looking at it from behind the machine...
Thank you.

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 09:38 PM

loosen up the 2 bolts on the back of the swin arm, the bearring carrier is ob-longed so when you turn it, it adjusts the chain.. there is a very good possibility that the carrier might be frozen in the swing arm.. Dousche the hell out of it with some PBThank you also. Any advice is welcome. I'm used to working on the Kawie's so this Honda stuff is new to me as far as actually digging in and working on it. Back in the day when i was a teenager, we had a lot of different makes of bikes and trikes but they were new enough that we didn't have to get into them this far as far as maintainence. We just rode them. And if they were falling apart, we didn't have the money to fix them so we sold or traded them to a freind that would fix them. haha.

tanks350x

03-11-2009, 09:54 PM

When I first got mine, I was lost as well, when it comes to working on them.. So you're not alone

DeePa

03-11-2009, 10:10 PM

fabiodriven

03-11-2009, 10:28 PM

^Holy crap Deepa! How'd you get that screenshot?

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 10:28 PM

well if you looked under adjusting the chain you may have been able to figure it out.

just because you have a manual doesnt mean you read it. And if for some reason you did read it, it doesnt mean you can comprehend it, so thats why you're here asking questions

TANKS, your bearing carrier is upside down, thats why you couldnt figure out how to adjust it

EDIT...

30 seconds into the 250r manual...
look what i found???? yes, its the same as the 350x, as the locknut...
What the hell's your problem? I never did anything to you. I actually thought you were one of the better more respected board members around here until now. Then you troll my help thread with 2 word posts, THEN when you finally do post you accuse of a bunch of trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro you have no clue about. Then you tell me I'm to stupid to comprehend the repair manual. Take your arrogance and condescension elsewhere.

To those of you who took time out to ACTUALLY HELP a fellow triker in need on a *gasp* HELP forum. Thank you. It is greatly appreciated.

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 10:29 PM

When I first got mine, I was lost as well, when it comes to working on them.. So you're not aloneBe careful, deepa might call you stupid too.:rolleyes:

Thanks for your help.

tanks350x

03-11-2009, 10:31 PM

well if you looked under adjusting the chain you may have been able to figure it out.

just because you have a manual doesnt mean you read it. And if for some reason you did read it, it doesnt mean you can comprehend it, so thats why you're here asking questions

TANKS, your bearing carrier is upside down, thats why you couldnt figure out how to adjust it

EDIT...

30 seconds into the 250r manual...
look what i found???? yes, its the same as the 350x, as the locknut...

Deepa, when I first got my X I couldnt even adjust the chain at all, everything was all rusted to hell... That's why I went on ebay and got a new swing arm, axle, bearring carrier, brake rotor and all the anti fade nut set up.. here's a pic of the old swinger
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/tankispmaximus/08d0e441.jpg
Everything that I have on there now, has been purchased in the last year, except for the caliper.. The only difference is that the carrier is for an 86.. The carrier might be upside down but, I can still adjust the chain with no issues

Saul

03-11-2009, 10:47 PM

If your carrier is frozen stuck but you really need to get the chain off quick just pop your front sprocket off.

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 10:51 PM

If your carrier is frozen stuck but you really need to get the chain off quick just pop your front sprocket off.
Thanks for the helpful hint. Luckily mine seemed to be ok. I was able to get the chain off. Now the axle is out and I'm going to tear the bike down, replace most of the bearings, clean it up etc. I'm hoping to get the frame powdercoated then I'd like to buy black fenders for it. The couple around here I've seen in black really look sharp so i think I'll go with the black scheme.

JohnR.

03-11-2009, 10:53 PM

Once you get used to the Honda way of adjusting your rear chain you'll wish the Kawie's had the same set up.

John

Hoosier_Daddy

03-11-2009, 11:07 PM

Once you get used to the Honda way of adjusting your rear chain you'll wish the Kawie's had the same set up.

John
Yeah, I believe you. Don't get me wrong. I wasn't saying Kawies are better to work on, i was just saying, Kawies are what I'm used to. Not knocking Honda here. I give Honda guys a hard time when it comes to comparing 250R's to Tecates though. lol:D

chris200x

03-11-2009, 11:24 PM

Thanks for the helpful hint. Luckily mine seemed to be ok. I was able to get the chain off. Now the axle is out and I'm going to tear the bike down, replace most of the bearings, clean it up etc. I'm hoping to get the frame powdercoated then I'd like to buy black fenders for it. The couple around here I've seen in black really look sharp so i think I'll go with the black scheme.

That black don't look to sharp after a short while of riding. :cry: wish I never went with black. it shows every little scratch and scuff.