To the guy with the magical 30+MPG Excursion

[UlsterATCFan]

It never fails to amaze me how big the engines are over there in the US - in the UK (and most of Europe) 2 litres is considered more than enough and most cars are under this. I have a 2 litre turbodiesel 5 door hatchback car (a Vauxhall Vectra - Vauxhall are owned by GM) which does 50 mpg - some of the newer smaller diesels will do over 70 mpg, do you guys think things will start to go the way of the smaller turbodiesel engine in the US? There is only so much petroleum in the world and believe me I agree that theres nothing like the roar of a big V8 but I don't think you guys will be able to burn it up at these rates for much longer especially since most of it comes from our 'friends' in the Middle East

[The Goat]

look into your petro production...it ain't ancient plant and animal matter.

natural biproduct of our planet.

also...to speed things along, they are engineering algae now that produces refined oil. very cool stuff.

ps...I'D KILL FOR A SMALL DIESEL MOTOR IN MY CAR!

[300rman]

there is something being miscalculated there.

John

kind of hard to screw that one up.......miles driven divided by gallons filled........




as for the small euro engines, yeah those are great for small cars, they wouldnt be worth a crap in a big work truck.

and cars with motors like that arent really available over here. they talk up those crap-tastic PRIUS mobiles that only get 50 or so MPG after all these years of new technology.......VW Diesel Rabbit's were getting 45-50 YEARS ago........they have made NO advancements technologically speaking in car engines in a LONG time......

[Dammit!]

The tree huggers would probably have a heart attack if everyone were driving those little diesels. Makes me want one actually.

[The Goat]

why? emissions are better and less harmful in the longrun.... Unles the world has gone topsy turvy in the last year

[MagicJames]

GOAT, did you send my stuff?

And i agree, VW Rabbits were getting 50+ mpg over 3 decades ago, and we don't even have cars around that will get 50+ mpg anymore.

I will say that there are cars still out there, but not as common as they used to be.

[JohnR.]

kind of hard to screw that one up.......miles driven divided by gallons filled........




VW Diesel Rabbit's were getting 45-50 YEARS ago........

It sounds easy but it can still be screwed up. Kind of like saying that VW Diesel Rabbit's were made in the early 60's. Maybe its the "new" math.

John

[SYKO]

not to be ignorant or anything but how can you screw it up?

[smokinwrench]

It sounds easy but it can still be screwed up. Kind of like saying that VW Diesel Rabbit's were made in the early 60's. Maybe its the "new" math.

John

I think it was meant to say they got 45-50 MPG years ago. I drove a 1984 vw rabbit diesel, and it got 50 mpg and had 150,000 miles on it, sure wish I had it now that I drive 46 miles to work.

[JohnR.]

My bad. I misread it.

I can't see how you could screw it up, that was my point. Just like I can't see how you could get 30mpg with a truck that weighs over 6,500 lbs.

John

[smokinwrench]

I'm with you, I need to see it to believe it, not saying anyone is lying about it. I have been a diesel mechanic since 1992, I have put over 300,000 miles on 7.3 powerstrokes, probably 75,000 miles 6.0 ltr power strokes and about 50,000 on duramax, I now own a cummins. Being a diesel mechanic its my thing and I can't believe it unless I see it myself.

[JohnR.]

It's funny that you should say that because I worked with two guys for a while that had about 50 or 60 years of diesel experience between the two of them and if you asked them which truck to get they would both tell you get the Dodge because the reliability of that B engine more than makes up for any minor issues with the rest of the truck.

Threads like these usually end up as p1ssing matches and go nowhere fast. For some reason a lot of the diesel guys get off the wall with the numbers they start to throw around when it comes to fuel economy. I've got a lot of performance stuff done to my 12 valve but it still gets better fuel mileage than it did stock. I usually see 16 or 17 driving around town and 19 or 20 on the highway empty but that's cruising at 75-80mph most of the time which is well out of peak efficiency RPM range of the engine and since the truck is shaped like a brick its tough to push it through the air too. Not to mention that the mud tires' tread isn't the most conducive to big fuel mileage numbers. They did an article in one of the diesel truck mags a while back where they went nuts and even started duct taping over the holes in the dualie's wheels and driving around with the door mirrors folded in to increase fuel mileage. I think they topped out at around 25mpg. If I kept my foot out of it and kept my speed to around 60 so that the engine was running its peak torque RPM (1750) I'd probably squeeze 22 or 23 out of it. Maybe one road trip I'll actually set the cruise at 65 and do a couple hundred slow and painful miles like that. Hopefully I don't get shot at for holding up traffic though.

[MagicJames]

lol John. If they shoot at you, make sure you shoot back with more accuracy!

I wonder what the difference between 3/4 ton and 1 ton mileage is, because of the weight of the heavier-duty components.
Stock to stock.

[300rman]

It sounds easy but it can still be screwed up. Kind of like saying that VW Diesel Rabbit's were made in the early 60's. Maybe its the "new" math.

John

I think it was meant to say they got 45-50 MPG years ago. .

This.......

[300rman]

lol John. If they shoot at you, make sure you shoot back with more accuracy!

I wonder what the difference between 3/4 ton and 1 ton mileage is, because of the weight of the heavier-duty components.
Stock to stock.

the only real difference is the springs i believe