Cool DirtWheels article 89 250R vs 09 450R Honda

[Blown 331]

I didn't read the whole thing but another thing you have to consider is the 450 is really choked to meet much stricter noise and emission requirements than 20 years ago. A stock 450 has an intake track the size of a quarter and a 118 main jet if I remember correctly. Just pulling the air box lid will require a 185 main jet, its a totally different bike after that.
I bought a 450R new and currently have an ATC250R. My conclusion is in a drag, with pipes and jetting on both bikes (also a cam on the 450, reeds in the 250 with more compression and 36mm flat slide) is in a straight up drag the 450 will win but on the 250 from 2nd through 5th it will pull slightly on the 450 but the 450 will jump it out of the whole and take it top end.
But one thing 4-strokes are generally known for are reliability and longevity. The 450 Hondas have neither. In my opinion a 2 stroke will greatly out last a 450 Honda. The power on the 450 is amazing but they are ticking time bombs. My brother had changed like 10 crankshafts in 450 Hondas.

[threewheelin-feelin]

i have personally seen my 250r beat many 450 yamahas honda and suzukis..i have also seen it get beat by many...my conclusion is that with these bikes its almost 95% rider that desides...that being said why dont we every see anything about the tecate or tri-z's standing up to the new 450s or maybe even a 500r i want to see thos shootouts

[deathman53]

it is quite a far fetch on bringing a 250r to a magazine cover now, sadly there will probably never be another article or even photos of three wheelers on any major magazine. Besides, could you imagine how bad it would get bashed on? and who they decide for the riders probably won't be able to ride it very good either. I would love to a see a shoot-out like the following: modified, trx450r vs yfz450 vs ltr450 vs ktm 450sx vs aftermarket trx250r vs atc250r vs tri-z vs tecate 3 vs tpc 450. I would expect the trikes to have modern suspensions and be up to par for race tracks we have now. Thats a long shot and will never happen, ever read the owners manual for your quad? It reads like a rider wrote it and then sent it to the legal department and lawyers re-wrote it. You think most of the magazine articles are any different, but the magazines have other influences in it also(can we say the big 4 as probably the greatest?)???? Once three wheeler is said, shown or talked about article will be pulled.

[deathman53]

even better would be a comparison of sport atvs from the mid-late 80's compared to what is currently offered. That would never happen either, as it would be quite embarrassing to the big 4. Compared to dirtbikes, atvs moved a at snails pace in development.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

even better would be a comparison of sport atvs from the mid-late 80's compared to what is currently offered. That would never happen either, as it would be quite embarrassing to the big 4. Compared to dirtbikes, atvs moved a at snails pace in development.

That is exactly what the article was about that this thread pertains to. They also did a shootout between a modded LTR450 and modded 'Zilla in Dirtwheels too... Make no mistake, the vast majority of magazine people LOVE to ride/see the old dogs still making the dirt dance.

[rdlsz24]

They also did Raptor 250 vs Blaster a few months back. They know people like these old vs new articles so I think they will keep doing them.

Rob