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  1. 05-13-2010, 09:09 AM #1
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    Exclamation cant figure this P.O.S. out! (ITS ALIVE!)

    Ok, so as some of you know, I got a 200X about a month ago now.I haven't had a lot of time to mess with it but recentlly I have. When I got it the guy said it needed a timing chain, well on saturday I was finally able to change the chain. I put it all back together and found no compression waiting for me! Tore the motor down, replaced a couple of seals slapped it back together and there is good compresion now! So I timed it according to the manual using the "T" mark then setting the cam so the holes are at 12 and 6, then rotated flywheel so that it was on the "F" mark like the book says. According to everything it should be "in-time" now but the damn thing will not start or even give me a fire! Its got spark, everything should be right, I cannot figure this thing out! What I'm questioning is that its 180 off. I read that the lobes on the came should point down toward the block, but I also read that the tit on the cam shaft that holds the CDI deal is suppose to be at 4 o'clock instead of ten, that's not possible or the lobes would be skyward. Anyways, it took everything I had at 2:30 this morning when I finally had it all back together bolted into the frame, carb cleaned, everything bolted up and the damn thing wouldn't start again, not to grab the sledge and start hitting! Can you guys plase help me out here, if I don't figure this out soon its goin to ̃he scrap yard and I will start over with something else! I love trikes but this one is cursed I think!
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  2. 05-13-2010, 09:34 AM #2
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    I'm sorry to say i don't have a remedy but i've been there countless times. I quit working for a while and go back to it later and somehow for me it works out. I couldn't get my 200s to start once and i replaced the head and it started i'm not sure why but it worked. They can definately be a huge pain!
  3. 05-13-2010, 09:50 AM #3
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    Do you smoke? Maybe should should consider starting? Just kidding. But yeah everyone's been there. Step back, take what ever kind of break will make ya feel better. And wait till you don't hate it to work on it again. The 200X is a great trike and you'll love it when you are done. Don't give up on it, just take a break. Is the spark good and fat? What is the compression at? Have you tried starter fluid? If the spark is good and the timing isn't off then it should at least give a sputter with starting fluid.

    Sometimes it sucks not getting that gratifying first kick feel on something that hasn't run in years, and sometimes it sucks when you have to go back over it, but in the end it will be a great trike.
  4. 05-13-2010, 09:56 AM #4
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    Good spark, tried pullin plug dumpin a little gas in and still nothing! I just don't know what else to do! I've never had one this stubborn before and I'm not the most patient guy in town either so that doesn't help but so far I've put in about 22hrs I would say trying to figure it out and I'm at the end of the rope with this thing!
  5. 05-13-2010, 10:14 AM #5
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    Have you tested the compression with a tester? The finger test isn't always that accurate. Did you print out the manual? Look over all the pictures and the steps something isn't right. But take a break. And at least you didn't pay that jerk to fix it. So take a breather, look over the manual later.
  6. 05-13-2010, 10:24 AM #6
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    I've got a haynes manual, its not for the 200X exactlly, its for 110/185/200 but the 200 is pretty much the same motor. I looked at the manual on here and it doesn't give much info. Any idea where to get a better one, free of course. I agree there has got to be something I'm missing but I can't figure it out for the life of me!
  7. 05-13-2010, 10:42 AM #7
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    I would check out the manual here: http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/Manuals/...vicemanual.pdf (for 83/85 200x) and here for http://72.52.143.80/~trikes/Manuals/...vicemanual.pdf (for 86/87 200x)

    How did you check for compression? Maybe your valves are not seeling? You can pour a little oil in the cylinder and kick it over. If it has no different compression feeling than likely the valves seals have issues if it kicks harder you may need rings.
  8. 05-13-2010, 10:53 AM #8
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    Gave it ye 'ole thumb test, I know its not real accurate but it tells you if you at least have compression. When I had it all apart I check the piston and rings, all in good shape and look pretty new, wiseco piston (bonus) kicking myself though cause I should have checked to see if it had been bored out at some point!
  9. 05-13-2010, 01:57 PM #9
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    Somebodys gotta have some good advice on what's wrong with this thing!
  10. 05-13-2010, 02:06 PM #10
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    You try a fresh plug? On my BR, the plug will still spark, but wont run... Throw a fresh NGK in, pops right off...
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    If it doesn't kick over with carb cleaner it's spark. Just my guess.. EVERYTHING at least turns over for a second with carb cleaner.

    Maybe your missing one of those little springs in the pulse generator Technical name (Advancer spark). Maybe you get spark, but it's not hot enough. I'm baffeled cause you have the 3 most important components happening.
  12. 05-13-2010, 03:36 PM #12
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    Pulse generator is all there, made sure everything was complete when I put it together. Really, it will still spark if the plug is bad? My plug sparks but its not a huge fat spark? Plug is pretty new I think but I will grab one after work and drop it in and see what the deal is. I've got a spare cdi laying around and a spare coil as well, think I should swap them out? I know they are good cause they are on a motor that a buddy roached the piston and cylinder in! Speaking of which anybody got a piston and cylinder for an 84 200X?
  13. 05-13-2010, 04:00 PM #13
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    Another thing to add, every so often the carb will just puke gas out, what's up with that? I took it all apart last night and cleaned it, can't remember if it happend again after I cleaned it or not though.
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    have you tried adjusting your valves?
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    That would be done with the little set screw in each one right? If so, mine have to movement one way or another
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