Having some fun with the National Product Safety Commission…

[fabiodriven]

I second that.

Actually, you thirded it.

[Xpress]

I'd rather go down with a fight than I would just standing there.

Even if this does stir the pot in the wrong direction, there's no way in hell they're getting my machines from me.

[fabiodriven]

Even if this does stir the pot in the wrong direction, there's no way in hell they're getting my machines from me.

This much I can agree with. "From my cold, dead hands"

[hang&rattle]

^Gun in one hand, twist throttle in the other!?

[greenhuman]

Thumb throttle.

[hang&rattle]

Tecate's have twist throttles, both fabiodriven and Xpress (me too) have Tecates.

[Xpress]

^Well, I don't have one yet

But it's getting a thumb. :

[HuffieVA]

I'l make sure the "final safety standard" does'nt specify throttle type...

[harryredtrike]

two men in one man leave,now get in the cage

[bobotech]

Is this an effort to get a manufacturer to start building 3 wheelers? I'm all for it!!!

I don't think you would ever see any of the big manufactures even considering building new trikes even if the NPSC were to make a 180 on their views on trikes and say that they are the most stable and safest off road ATV ever due to liability lawsuit concerns.

[sixpackrt]

Great read. Keep it going can't wait to read more.

[Xpress]

I don't think you would ever see any of the big manufactures even considering building new trikes even if the NPSC were to make a 180 on their views on trikes and say that they are the most stable and safest off road ATV ever due to liability lawsuit concerns.

I wouldn't say that.... We don't really know what the core of the companies have going on in their classified files...

[TimSr]

I'd rather go down with a fight than I would just standing there.

Even if this does stir the pot in the wrong direction, there's no way in hell they're getting my machines from me.

So you want to go pick another fight with CPSC? How did that go last time? "This isnt about "going down without a fight". We already went down with a fight about 20 years ago. Did you learn nothing from that? Im all for standing up to bullies, but once the bully kicks your butt, takes your lunch money and moves on, its kind of foolish to get up, chase him down, and tell him he missed the $10 bill you had hidden in your shoe, and demand he give you permission to keep it.

CPSC is an angency of career appointees, not electees, who do not have to answer to political pressure. They are immune to political activism, and public pressure by design. Congress and the president have no control over them. They answer to no one. They can do what they want. They are one of many government rouge agencies. They are above the law.

There is nothing to be gained from this fight you want to pick. You think if a bunch of guys send nasty emails to some low level career bureaucrat, she will say "yeah, I guess you're right, Ill talk with my superiors and have this changed", and then Honda will get word, and start tooling up an all new ATC line so they can sell a couple dozen, and then retry the same case in the court of public opinion yet again and lose another fortune? Honda could have continued to make these and sell them all over the world (except USA), but they didnt. Why? Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki backed down from a letigious fight with the US government. They didnt think it was worth it for the likely outcome. You think they want back in it?

When a bully kicks your butt and takes your lunch money, and moves on, and you go back and irritate him, and flaunt what he did not take the first time, all you're going to get is a second beatdown, worse than the first and confiscation of what you have left.

They will not take your trikes, but they can make it nearly impossible to ride them anywhere. We have a small niche market, and enough smalltime MFG's of new trike conversions right in the trike community to fulfill all demand, while staying unnoticed and under the radar. Call attention to that, and they will squash it like a bug. We run local races as a novelty class for spectator entertainment. Pull it into the view of CPSC (and Obamacare) and watch it disappear.

People have a right to choose unwinable battles and destroy themselves, but what some are suggesting in this thread could cause dire consequences for all of us, and for what? So somebody can say that rather than live unnoticed by the federal government with the current infringements, they decided to destroy it all for everyone for the sake of "going down fighting"?

If you want a new trike, and can actually pay for one, contact Tionesta Trikes, TPC Trikes, or Jason Hall among others. Honda will never, ever make you one again. Get over it. If you call too much attention of CPSC to the matter, you wont even have those options any more.

I dont participate in much discussion on here. As you can see by the first reponse, my opinions arent much welcomed, but what I see here is a proposal to do something that will undermine what some of us have done, and are still doing, years of hard work, and I am appealing to those who love the sport to think things through thoroughly, and their possible consequences, and not do further damage. "All or nothing" may be a worthwhile gamble to some, but nobody has the moral right to make that decision, and make those possible sacrifices for everyone. Please dont make me a CPSC target.

[Louis Mielke]

So you want to go pick another fight with CPSC? How did that go last time? "This isnt about "going down without a fight". We already went down with a fight about 20 years ago. Did you learn nothing from that? Im all for standing up to bullies, but once the bully kicks your butt, takes your lunch money and moves on, its kind of foolish to get up, chase him down, and tell him he missed the $10 bill you had hidden in your shoe, and demand he give you permission to keep it.

CPSC is an angency of career appointees, not electees, who do not have to answer to political pressure. They are immune to political activism, and public pressure by design. Congress and the president have no control over them. They answer to no one. They can do what they want. They are one of many government rouge agencies. They are above the law.

There is nothing to be gained from this fight you want to pick. You think if a bunch of guys send nasty emails to some low level career bureaucrat, she will say "yeah, I guess you're right, Ill talk with my superiors and have this changed", and then Honda will get word, and start tooling up an all new ATC line so they can sell a couple dozen, and then retry the same case in the court of public opinion yet again and lose another fortune? Honda could have continued to make these and sell them all over the world (except USA), but they didnt. Why? Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki backed down from a letigious fight with the US government. They didnt think it was worth it for the likely outcome. You think they want back in it?

When a bully kicks your butt and takes your lunch money, and moves on, and you go back and irritate him, and flaunt what he did not take the first time, all you're going to get is a second beatdown, worse than the first and confiscation of what you have left.

They will not take your trikes, but they can make it nearly impossible to ride them anywhere. We have a small niche market, and enough smalltime MFG's of new trike conversions right in the trike community to fulfill all demand, while staying unnoticed and under the radar. Call attention to that, and they will squash it like a bug. We run local races as a novelty class for spectator entertainment. Pull it into the view of CPSC (and Obamacare) and watch it disappear.

People have a right to choose unwinable battles and destroy themselves, but what some are suggesting in this thread could cause dire consequences for all of us, and for what? So somebody can say that rather than live unnoticed by the federal government with the current infringements, they decided to destroy it all for everyone for the sake of "going down fighting"?

If you want a new trike, and can actually pay for one, contact Tionesta Trikes, TPC Trikes, or Jason Hall among others. Honda will never, ever make you one again. Get over it. If you call too much attention of CPSC to the matter, you wont even have those options any more.

I dont participate in much discussion on here. As you can see by the first reponse, my opinions arent much welcomed, but what I see here is a proposal to do something that will undermine what some of us have done, and are still doing, years of hard work, and I am appealing to those who love the sport to think things through thoroughly, and their possible consequences, and not do further damage. "All or nothing" may be a worthwhile gamble to some, but nobody has the moral right to make that decision, and make those possible sacrifices for everyone. Please dont make me a CPSC target.

I support this fully. I would suggest everyone do that same and listen to the wisdom and experience of this post.

[oldskool83]

the less attention you can draw to yourself the more fun you can have....that goes with anything. id stop pissing into the wind and lay low and go ride.