Pic of a Rattler I killed!

[Jeb]

I know, I know. I probably deserve to take my medicine and be banned for it. so be it.

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Albino, if I offended you or anyone else, I apologize. I will edit out my post shortly. But why should I let "bandit" come on this board and say those things when he's wrong and calling everyone who doesn't think like him ignorant? He's got 3 posts on this 3wheeler message board and not one has anything to do with trikes yet. Most serious trike enthusiasts post in the Trikesylvania forum first and introduce themselves and tell what trikes they've got. I think hes just looking for trouble.

This whole thread will be locked or deleted soon anyway.

[Jeb]

If you hunt anything, it is killing a defenseless animal, unless you are going out with a stick and rocks to try to kill that way. using a bow/rifle/crossbow/handgun or any other "modern" weapon is not fair to the animal. A deer cannot shoot back...

Simple logic says the type of weapon is irrelevant. whether natural or man made. Hunting is killing. And no matter the method chosen, killing is killing is killing. Sure a deer cant shoot back. But can he throw rocks back at you or defend himself by beating you with a stick? Of course not. If cornered, he can only use his natural defense instincts to fight or .... run.

The human power of reasoning and problem solving IS the advantage over the animal kingdom. Not the type of weapon used, but the knowledge to actually USE a weapon. Our ability to think and reason is what makes it unfair. If anything, killing a deer with one shot from a rifle is much more humane than beating it to death with a stick or rocks, if you could get close enough to do that anywhere besides a state park.

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[TimSr]

Actually im from Maine dude... As far as your kids could get bit or your wifes?? EDUCATE them and they wont get bit and you wont have to kill uneccisaraly!
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Id like to know how many venomous snakes you have encountered in Maine that would give you such expertise on the subject?

[Bandit_33]

Not a snake expert Tim never said I was!! Ever run across a coyote or a black bear in the woods!! I have and instead of just shooting it cause I had a gun I backed off and gave it space!! Its called respecting wild animals!! They dont wanna mess with you anymore than you wanna mess with them!! Do rattle snakes run people down to bite them when they encounter a human?? No they dont! Thats all I was saying!!

To bash ones skull in for no other reason but its a rattle snake then im sorry thats just wrong!! Thats my point!


If a child is in danger or a love one then yes you have to do what you have to do?

To jump outta your truck and run over and pick up a rock just cause you see a rattlesnake is ignorant!!


Oh and yup I am from Maine but did live in Florida for a few yrs and actually I was hunting with my boss and we caught a rattler crossing the road!! I kept it as a pet for the few weeks between trips and brought him back and let him go were I found him!!

There actually a really cool animal if you got a chance to check one out like that!!

[mudduck14843]

As far as your kids could get bit or your wifes?? EDUCATE them and they wont get bit and you wont have to kill uneccisaraly

how do you educate a 6 yr old like me that you shouldn't jump in a pile of freshly raked leaves???

this could go on as another ford chevy ,honda kawasaki, or anyother thing that people disagree on.
whats to say that that state doesn't consider that smake "legal game"?
(i don't know dut isn't it possible?and maybe they plan to eat it also you never asked him that before you started putting your .02 in did you.

[hondaATCman]

What in the world were you thinking, killing a living breathing snake like that.... I would have messed with it first, you know get it rared up and then tortured it the worst I possibly could.

All the people who wouldn't have killed the snake...you said that it is the snake's reaction to strike and bite you. Well, what do you think human's reactions are to a deadly agressive thing that can jump like 10 times its length..that is pretty darn scary to me and I don't think I would have invited it to the next big huge tea party just because it is a living thing. Snake's reaction = bite people.....Humans reaction = kill snake before it can bite.

If a child is in danger or a love one then yes you have to do what you have to do?

To jump outta your truck and run over and pick up a rock just cause you see a rattlesnake is ignorant!!

No, jump out of your truck and kill it anyways because it will eventually end up endangering a loved one. Now if it was a little garder snake or something that is little and non poisonous, it would be a little something more to debate about, but if it can kill, kill it first. Kill them all so we can walk through the woods without looking everywhere we step. No wait, I like my rattlesnake skin boots!

[3WheelHouston]

Okay, points to address.
1. I'm not a damn Yankee. I live in Texas.
2. A snake's striking range is about half its body length, not 10x.
3. I'm just as good at stalking deer as I am hunting them in blinds with feeders. I just do it the easy way.
4. I agree with killing or removing a dangerous snake if it's near children.
5. I wouldn't jump on anyone for killing snakes if they didn't make trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro comments like "Come say that to my face and I'll shoot you full of BB's too." And then calling people "Wildlife conservationist wimps" because they disagree with him torturing a snake. He could have at least made a swift kill like someone else said. Then it wouldn't have bothered me so much. But he tortured the thing forever by shooting it over and over and over. The killing's not half as bad as the torture. And then he brags about it.

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

holy crap some of you people are unbeliveable......ITS A DAMN SNAKE FOR CHRIST SAKE, WHO GIVES A CRAP.....i have lost count of how many milk snakes, and river diamonbacks i have killed, when i see one of those bastards my first reaction is..."Find big rock" then "smash on snakes head" then..."repeat",

some of you people need to suck it up and stop being suck whineasses, *cough* bandit *cough*, its a friggen SNAKE...not a damn blue whale or somthing, its a slithery poisones, nasty ass mother fu**er, GET OVER IT, get on with your life

and also, i dont give a crap WHO you are, if you see a REAL untamed coyote walk up to you in the middle of a REAL forest, you arent just gonna take a couple steps to the side....your either gonna fill that trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up with lead, or run like you have never ran before,

bandit i really think you are talkin crap that you know nothing about "oh yeah, i saw one crossing a road, so i went out and grabbed him and kept him as a pet" let me guess, he kept you company in those hard long nights when your away from your mommy, RIGHT? lets see,, next time i see a big ass poisoness rattlesnake crossing the road, you can guess whats gonna be going through my mind "oh lets just go grab it by the tail and throw her in a bucket" NO, im gonna swerve and splatter that disgusting thing all over the road

i know this post is probly gonna get delete, sorry billy, howdy, whoever else, i just had to get this out, i couldnt take it anymore


god...its a snake, MOVE on with your excuse for a life

[Bandit_33]

Like I said its more of a I kiled a snake im a man attitude that I have an issue with!! The poor snaked had to die cause someone"seems most in this thread" are ignorant about wild animals!! A snake no matter what kind will not bother you unless bothered by you first or cornered!!

Yes accident do happen and like I said around the house is one thing but to just kill it cause its poisiness it ignorant and I will stand by that!!


and also, i dont give a crap WHO you are, if you see a REAL untamed coyote walk up to you in the middle of a REAL forest, you arent just gonna take a couple steps to the side....your either gonna fill that trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up with lead, or run like you have never ran before,


Thats bull!! That comment just show how uneducated some people are about wild animals!! Unless cornerd or being abused a wild animal will bolt the first hint of a humam 95% of the time!! Thats FACT !

Im not here to start trouble I just commeneted on how my opinion about killing a defensless animal!! I know I know its poiseness ewwwwwwww scaaarrrryyyy!!

Bunch of neanderthals! Well IQ wise anyway!

[Trikeaholic]

well, just to add to this, the other day, the lil holic caught a big, furry caterpillar. He came in, showed it to his mother, and took it back outside, where he gently put it down on the deck railing and then smashed it flat with his fist, clad in a spiderman toy glove. I dont know about you other guys, but I had to punish him severley. Not because it was an "significant" creature that he killed, but because of the flagrant disregard for life that he displayed. I was trying to show him that killing for pleasure or no reason is wrong. I mean, he is 3 years old, whats next? kittens? puppies? other kids?? Remember that Dahmer started out torturing small animals and playing with road-kill. By the way, if there were a poisonous snake in my yard or barn or something, yes I would dispose of it too. I also would not post it on the trike board, either.

[84250r]

well, just to add to this, the other day, the lil holic caught a big, furry caterpillar. He came in, showed it to his mother, and took it back outside, where he gently put it down on the deck railing and then smashed it flat with his fist, clad in a spiderman toy glove. I dont know about you other guys, but I had to punish him severley. Not because it was an "significant" creature that he killed, but because of the flagrant disregard for life that he displayed. I was trying to show him that killing for pleasure or no reason is wrong. I mean, he is 3 years old, whats next? kittens? puppies? other kids?? Remember that Dahmer started out torturing small animals and playing with road-kill. By the way, if there were a poisonous snake in my yard or barn or something, yes I would dispose of it too. I also would not post it on the trike board, either.

BINGO! Well said holic.

[mudduck14843]

yes I would dispose of it too. I also would not post it on the trike board, either.

good point there!!!

NOT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT BUT---
i hunt every chance i get not for the meat,that is just an extra.i hunt because i enjoy it yes it is FUN!!!i really don't care however if i don't get to shoot any thing because like i said that is an extra, and nobody here can tell me that they hunt just for the meat. BS BS BS!!!!

just think about it for a second before you got tearing my head off!!!

you need a state license we'll say $30 a year (in ny to hunt and fish all year it will cost around $68 )
then you need a gun hmmmm 12 ga. shotgun (good used one) $250
i use a 12 ga because it is an all pupose gun (birds,rabbits,deer,bear,ect.)
Then you need shells 5 12 ga slugs $2.50 I carry at minimum 2 boxes or 10 shells, not to mention the "practice or sighting in" rounds.
then if your in one of those states like ny that you have to have blaze orange
jacket (good heavy)$50
oh yea you can't forget the fancy peeps that have the binocs, scope on the gun,tree stand,bottled urine(sents),ect... you're talking another 100 bones easily(my scope was $60 i don't use the other stuff usally)

I'm sure i have missed some stuff but you'll get the picture in a minute(some it might take longer)
SO WHATS THE TOTAL roughly $400 a year to HUNT!!!
now i don't know about you folks but i can go to the grocery or meat market and buy a whole lot more meat than you get from one deer for $400.THATS IF YOU'R LUCKY ENOUGH TO HARVEST A DEER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

So unless your one of these filthy rich people that have more money than they know what to do with,or one of the very very few people that eat wild game everynight for dinner ....

IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T HUNT FOR THE FUN OF IT YOUR A FU@#ING LIAR!!!
i don't care how big your gun is that i will say to anyones face!!!!

[SpeedBump]

If you hunt anything, it is killing a defenseless animal, unless you are going out with a stick and rocks to try to kill that way. using a bow/rifle/crossbow/handgun or any other "modern" weapon is not fair to the animal. A deer cannot shoot back...

Simple logic says the type of weapon is irrelevant. whether natural or man made. Hunting is killing. And no matter the method chosen, killing is killing is killing. Sure a deer cant shoot back. But can he throw rocks back at you or defend himself by beating you with a stick? Of course not. If cornered, he can only use his natural defense instincts to fight or .... run.

The human power of reasoning and problem solving IS the advantage over the animal kingdom. Not the type of weapon used, but the knowledge to actually USE a weapon. Our ability to think and reason is what makes it unfair. If anything, killing a deer with one shot from a rifle is much more humane than beating it to death with a stick or rocks, if you could get close enough to do that anywhere besides a state park.

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You totally missed the point. ALL the modern weapons are RANGED weapons. Using a rock/stick would be more than fair. Conrner a big whitetail buck with a big stick or rock. I bet the buck is the one that comes out ahead. You would have to be up close and personal to beat it to death with a stick or rock....that is my point.....shooting a Deer from 30yrds with a bow? 100yrds with a gun? Fair? I don't really care about a quick kill or not. My point was you were trying to make it sound like it is ok to hunt a deer because you were planning on eating it after the kill and it is deemed a "game" animal. That doesn't make killing a deer and different than killing a snake. Killing is killing. nothing HUMANE about killing a deer ANYWAY. (unless it was hurt and was being put out of its misery.) Killing the snake would probably have more benefits than killing the deer.

[Jeb]

...My point was you were trying to make it sound like it is ok to hunt a deer because you were planning on eating it after the kill and it is deemed a "game" animal. That doesn't make killing a deer and different than killing a snake. Killing is killing. nothing HUMANE about killing a deer ANYWAY. (unless it was hurt and was being put out of its misery.) Killing the snake would probably have more benefits than killing the deer.

NO you missed the point. :? The whole argument I was making was whether right or wrong, IN MY OPINION there is no difference between killing a snake or deer. No creature has more or less right to live than the other, be it a "game" animal or not. I know you realize that cattle died for the steak & hamburgers you eat. Unless your vegetarian or something. What about killing cattle? Same point. Why do deer have more right to live than cattle? Why do deer have more right to die than snakes? It's a double standard depending on a person's own personal beliefs. There's no black and white, or right and wrong answer. If it's wrong to kill a rattle snake, then its wrong to kill deer and it's wrong to slaughter cattle, but you don't mind going down to the cafe and have a steak or burger. Or grill up some in the back yard. see my point here? :-D

I don't know how else to make my point that we have an advantage over animals because of our ability to think, not choice of weapon. You can kill a deer without a "conventional" weapon. Example, run him off a cliff. Our ancestors did this and it could still be done today. But then does the cliff become a weapon? Yes because a human THOUGHT to use it as one to kill a deer. That's the advantage, not the advanced technology of weapons. What if the cliff was man made? Does that make it more wrong to run one off a man-made cliff than a natural one? This is just an illustration to make a point. I personally woud still rather shoot one out right and kill it instantly than run it off a cliff where it experiences the fear of falling, then breaks it's back, legs, whatever, from the fall or slowly bleeds to death. Which brings up my next point. You should re-read my post. I didn't say it was HUMANE to kill a deer. I said it was MORE HUMANE to kill a deer (or any animal) quickly with one shot from a gun than beat it to death with a stick. Which, right or wrong, is DEFINITLY true. If you can kill it out right with one blow from a stick or rock, whats the difference between that or a gun?

Speed I think you've got me confused with "the bandit". He's the "great white hunter" saying it's ok to kill deer but not snakes. And I don't even hunt deer! :shock: But like it or not, people in this country have the right to do so.

This is just continued discussion... :-D

[YamaChuck]

I gotta chime in here. I hunt. In fact I love to hunt. Why do I hunt? It's legal! I love venison, turkeys, rabbits, pheasants and partridge. As far as the deer(at least in this area.....Adirondacks Mtns.) The deer herd has largely moved down out of the hills to surrounding foothills and valleys. We have a major overpopulation of deer here in the St. Lawrence Valley.
The reason that the majority of the deer have left the mountains is because of the dense canopy that has developed over the mountains. This canopy has pretty much blocked the sun from reaching the forest floor. Now deer feed on certain vegetation and buds developing on new growthtrees. Basically they have eaten themselves out of there natural habitat.
So we now have this huge herd of deer in the valley where there are all kinds of new growth due to farmlands that are becoming available. (farms are folding everywhere) If the herd isn't managed they will and are quickly eating up their new range. The state realizes this and have moved to manage the herd. Years ago you could only take one deer per season. Now you can take 4 or 5 per year. Herd management! So the state uses it's hunters to manage their herd.
I'm not saying that this is a justification for hunting but it's exactly why states legalize hunting. You can't just let a herd grow, unchecked. If a herd gets too overpopulated it will end up diseased and weak. And possibly over-eat it's own range.
Everyone is debating the "ethics" of hunting but not one word on why states legalize hunting. This is why. If you don't like hunting, don't. But don't sit there and say there is no reason to hunt. That's just an uneducated opinion and nothing more. There is no "reason" needed. It's legal!!!!!!!!