gun experts need your help(updated info and pics)

[jrwebb8324]

I bought a Ithaca bolt action gun that has some type of chinese/japanese writing on it and cant find out any info on it anywhere. My buddy said it was a 7.62mm

After doing some online research, I believe I was mistaken about the Ithaca part, because of the butt plate. From what I have figured out this was a japanese rifle from wwII The info below is what I believe I have found on it:

Nagoya Arsenal
Type 99 series 2
1940ish
7.7x58mm
Maybe a paratrooper rifle???

[dksix]

Could you post some pics of the markings and the whole gun. 7.62mm is a .30 caliber bullet, meaning the round could be several many things. I've not seen many 7.62X39 bolts guns but know they are some Chinese copies of the Mosin-Nagant which would be a bolt gun and 7.62X54R. I have know of some Ithaca shot gun copies coming from China, as well but I don't know how Ithaca and a .30 Chinese bolt gun would be connected.

[Russell 350X]

Put some pics up of the gun, close up of engravings, etc..never heard of a Ithaca with foreign markings..

[beets442]

What makes you say that its an Ithaca?> If it is, are you sure its a 7.62 ?, maybe 7.7mm. In World War II Germans made a model of Ithaca for the Japanese. Most were very crude in manufacturing, so much so that parts were hard to interchange, untypical for the German engineers. If it is that rifle, it is a collectors peice cause not many were saved. Hope this helps and my info is a recollection(father) and not fact..I have an old (semi auto model 51 feather weight)shotgun that I love and will never part with. I've hit everything I've ever aimed at.....Good luck Beets

[jrwebb8324]

updated info

[beets442]

Cool, the rifle seems to be in excellent shape for its age. My nephew knows some japanese and hes at work. I'll email him the pic to see if he can decypher it. I'm not sure but the cluster might be a german signature??Beets

[jrwebb8324]

Cool, the rifle seems to be in excellent shape for its age. My nephew knows some japanese and hes at work. I'll email him the pic to see if he can decypher it. I'm not sure but the cluster might be a german signature??Beets

ok thanks any info would be great.

[beets442]

found this on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwU6NUltkdQ

[dksix]

Here's my guess. The pics are a bit dark and a little hard to make out. The shape of the action looks like Mauser but the bolt doesn't seem to have the "claw" extractor the 98's were famous for, it looks more like a Mosin styled extractor. I don't know anything about the markings but they look more like Japanese than Chinese. My guess is you have a Jap rifle that was bought surplus and sporterized in the states and the states. The short fore arm stock, turned down bolt handle then drilled (and I suppose) tapped for optics mounting. I'd about guess that butt bad was used when the stock was modified, I don't think it's original to the gun. That's just a guess from what little I know about WW2 vintage guns. I can see German influence in fire arms design, maybe even Germany making some guns for Japan but I don't see Ithaca (an American company) having any manufacturing being done in Germany for Japan (the countries we were at war with) in the 40's. I've seen that done with many K98's, Enfields, Krags and Mosin's but they were far more popular to be imported. I suppose it's just as likely with the Jap gun.

[Rotten]

I believe it to be a



-Arisaka Type 99

-Size: 7.7 x58 mm
-Rate of fire: 10 rounds / minute
-Magazine: 5 rounds
-Accuracy: very good
-Range: 800 meters
-Empty Weight: 3.8 kg
-Length: 1150 mm
-Speed of the ball: 745 m / s

The Japanese Arisaka Type 99 rifle was built from 1939 to 1945 in factories in Tokyo and Nagoya. Designed to replace the Type 38, it was the main weapon until Japanese surrender to the Allies in 1945. The Type 99 rifle was inspired by the Mauser 98 K, and early models had a major setback. The flower petals to 16 engraved on the cylinder head is the symbol of the Japanese emperor who at that time was Hirohito.

[beets442]

Glad these guys found some better info.The two characters that are the same are the numbers 9 and 9. Don't know what the other is? Maybe the word (Type)?...