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Thread: 85/86 250r clutch question help!

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    85/86 250r clutch question help!

    in the process of putting my 250r motor back together and run into a problem. as stated in the manual at the end of the clutch rod there is supposed to be a ball



    when i took it a part there was no ball. so i ordered one and now when the ball is installed it will not let the lifter go in far enough and makes the plate stick out

    with the ball out



    with the ball in



    is it possible that someone has the wrong clutch rod in the motor? this thing is starting to get on my bad side haha
    Last edited by BAN ONE; 01-18-2011 at 01:00 PM.
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    currently have: 85 atc250sx(200xfront conv)
    85 atc70 flat tracker x2
    86 atc250R
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    79-85 atc110

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    It appears you have a 89' updated clutch- it doesnt use that single ball bearing.

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    Its been a while since I fooled with mine but there was an update kit for the clutch and if memory serves me correctly it eliminates the ball because the needle bearing you have on the end of the rod will perform the function that the ball used to. Look at the clutch diagram for the 1989 TRX250R and compare it to the ATC. I think someone may have already done the update on yours so the ball is no longer needed.

    John
    1985 Eddie Sanders ATC330r
    1986 Monstecate
    1984 ATC70 (awaiting 125cc transplant)
    1984 ATC125M
    1986 GSXR 750 - Keepin' it old school!
    1999 Arctic Cat 500 4x4 plow machine
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    ahhh! okay that makes a little more sense then.. i will check the diag. of the 89. thanks for the info!

    went to service honda and checked the diagram and that looks to be what it is.
    Last edited by BAN ONE; 01-18-2011 at 02:22 PM.
    I do vinyl cutting on the side...lettering, decals, and window stickers or whatever you may want to put them on....ill cut anything dont be affriad to ask
    currently have: 85 atc250sx(200xfront conv)
    85 atc70 flat tracker x2
    86 atc250R
    85 atc250r
    79-85 atc110

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    Another confirmation, you have the 89 update kit, no ball. The ball was one of Hondas very few mistakes........
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    For the record, I had zero troubles with the original 85 setup but I was tearing into it to do the billet basket anyways and had the update on the shelf. I went back to stock clutch springs while I was in there and would recommend against heavier springs like I had used. Even with the 330 kit and a clutch with a lot of years on it I have no slippage problems with the stock springs. All I ever got from the stiffer springs was a tired left hand.
    1985 Eddie Sanders ATC330r
    1986 Monstecate
    1984 ATC70 (awaiting 125cc transplant)
    1984 ATC125M
    1986 GSXR 750 - Keepin' it old school!
    1999 Arctic Cat 500 4x4 plow machine
    1999 Arctic Cat Thundercat 1000 (lake lizard)
    1996 Arctic Cat Jag 440 L/C (ditch banger)

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    makes you wish you had a hydro clutch with those tougher springs doesnt it
    1985 250R
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    Yes and no. No need for the extra expense or complication of the hydraulic set up when the stock springs with good plates get the job done. Probably less wear and tear on some of the other clutch mechanism with the lighter springs as well.
    1985 Eddie Sanders ATC330r
    1986 Monstecate
    1984 ATC70 (awaiting 125cc transplant)
    1984 ATC125M
    1986 GSXR 750 - Keepin' it old school!
    1999 Arctic Cat 500 4x4 plow machine
    1999 Arctic Cat Thundercat 1000 (lake lizard)
    1996 Arctic Cat Jag 440 L/C (ditch banger)

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