yt 225DX pullstart help

[mdwohleber56]

hey yea ive done everything u guys have said the spark testr went good like i exspected its a brand new spark plug uh i pulled the plug out and gave it a few pulls and nothing. and the one battery is totaly dead and the other holds a charge but its not the normal one? i pulled it from the parts trike and it was under the seat behind the airbox and i cant get its mounting off because of rust. im getting really frustrated anymore ideas on getting tyhis to start? my hills all ice so i cant even push it up the hill n try a jump start

[mdwohleber56]

and the engine is turning fine it seams it just wont turn over and start. i mean does it have to have a fully fuctional battery to work? i didnt think it did

[muthey]

no it only runs the electric starter off the battery everything else runs off the motor, what is happening is with the oil being thick you're not getting a good enough , and fast enough pull on it and it is flooding out on you, or your float valve maybe froze shut, I'm not sure if we had you do a fuel test yet to see if you are even getting fuel, if nothing else get a magnetic oilpan heater and stick it on the motor towards the bottom and wait a couple of hours to let it warm it up and see if it it easier to pull, then try and start it, with the electric starter not working and me not knowing weather you are getting fuel to the motor, I can only guess the oil is to thick to pull start I have the same issue with mine in the winter

[muthey]

I just looked back through the thread here and we haven't discussed the fuel at any point so now I'm thinking it's time to have you back out the screw on the bottom left hand side of the carb, is the drain screw, there is a hose connected to it if fuel is flowing out then you are getting fuel, also are you lifting the choke lever on it to put it in choke when trying to start it? otherwise with the rebuilt top end it just might be really cold blooded,, did you clean out the carb as well are just bolt it back on, I think it's time to start checking on fuel delivery and make sure that there is no problem with that, the petcock should say on off and reserve, maybe pull the petcock to make sure its, not gummed up as well, keep me posted I'd like to see you get this thing running

[mdwohleber56]

hey yea ill check the fuel tomarrow. might pick up a new battery for 50 bucks. i know the petcock on the gas tank i have on it leaks so ill check the fuel drain n make sure its getting gas and i changed the spark plug with the other new one i had(two pack) and niether of them where getting wet so i atleast kno i wasnt flooding it. heres a picture of the one im trying to get running in good shape n those r the back up plastics. or well i guess i cant get a picture it wont let me attach it
http://images.craigslist.org/3md3od3...6d3ed01e3e.jpg

[muthey]

let me know what you find out about all of the fuel scenarios I'm starting to think you are just not getting fuel

[mdwohleber56]

fuel is atleast getting to the carb i did the drail test on it and i was getting fuel into it. so next thing i did was shoot a tiny tiny bit of engine start into the spark plug hole gave a it a few pulls n didnt really get nething. i took it up the hill n tryed rollin down n droppin it into gear n i almost got it to start was close. tryed tp pull start n it again n still wouldnt turn over. when i trash n push start it with the hill should i have the decomp. lever up or down? also on the carb the idle screw for being this cold wat direction should i turn it in and how far do you think? im thinking about investing into the electric starter a lil more. if the starter soliniod under the seat click? i have an extra if thats bad but not sure if the spare is good etiher. also i have another carb i night try switching them out. let me kno wat u all think. thanks

[muthey]

I have my idle mix screw about 1 3/4 turns out from seat in this weather it might not hurt to have it out 2 turns, it is also known as the pilot screw, and I'm not sure exactly how far I have my idle screw in I do know if you really want to get it started run it almost all the way in, and make sure you have it choked when first trying to start it. You can always back the idle screw out a lil after you get it started have you cleaned and re oiled your air filter otherwise when you pull the bowl off the bottom, there is a starter jet there that might be clogged, it is screwed into the bowl. Make sure you have the 29u carberator, it will tell you which model if you look on the edge of the mount that attaches to the the boot that attaches to the motor, the 24w look identical but the jets are smaller. otherwise go through the online manual here and check the settings, it is located in world class help section let me know if you have anymore questions.

[mdwohleber56]

yea i looked and i have the right carb i screwed it in all the way n still no turn altho it does sound like its getting a little bit better. the air filter jet you told me to look at. now i take the seat and back plastics off and its on the bottem of the air filter? or is it that little square box thats part of the air filter? also about the starter solinoid. should it click when i press the start button? and when trying to push start it should i have the decomp. lever up or down?

[muthey]

the starter jet is screwed into the bowl of the carb, to check and see if your starter is good take a car battery and some wires form it and touch them directly to the starter, is what I did to mine when I wasn't sure, it will crank if it's good, then it will deal with the solenoid or relay switch or neutral indicator which is behind the shift lever, behind the cover that is why I said while holding the start button down lift on the shift lever a lil bit, and see if it starts to crank I have to do that to mine as my indicator needs to be adjusted, you shouldn't need to mess with the decompression lever unless you are hitting the what they call valve stops when you pullstart it, it just makes it so that when you pull start it you never just have the sudden stop, hondas seem to do that alot my than my yamaha as I never use mine, up is engaged, down is disengaged, and when you pullstart it with it engaged it will flip down on its own, have you checked the timing after rebuilding it, would have to go through the manual listed here in world class help section as I have not torn mine open yet. That little square box on below the air filter is the crankcase breather filter kinda like a pcv valve on a car is meant to help with emissions

[mdwohleber56]

yea i took my jettas battery out and tryed touching it and neither of the starters i had did anything. saw one on ebay for like 28 bucks plus shipping for a used one that works. and yea when i pull start it with the lever down i deff hit the valve stops or what ever u called it so i gotta pull the lever up when i pull start it it doesnt flip back down unless it will only do that when it acually starts. im thinking of heading down to the auto store and grabbing a motorcycle battery for it as well.

[muthey]

you're motor is definitely tight it should flip back down even if it doesn't start when you pull on the pull starter, I hate to say this, because I know it is a pain in the butt, but I'm thinking you may have to open the motor back up and check to see if something is in there wrong, cause that lever half disengages the valves, but should reengage, while being started, and you shouldn't be sitting on the valve stops, every time you pull it. Maybe I'm wrong and it is just tight, but we have pretty much went through everything else, and I am wondering if the timing is out of whack.

[mdwohleber56]

yea thats wat its seeming more and more like. so wat i think im gonna do is order a new starter and while im waiting for it to come in the mail im gonna try and put the top end back together on the other engine. its in a lil bit of better shape aside form the piston and its rings. the only thing is i know for a fact im missing bolts for it and id have to take them from the engine thats not turning over, but if i gotta pull the other one apart again anyways i might as well. and while im in the engine i can give everything a nice polish.

[mdwohleber56]

so i went out for a little bit and pushed it up and down the hill a few times and it almost stayed runing gave a chug or two then bogged out(with decompression lever raised) with it down i couldnt get enough speed when i would dropp it into gears tires would just lock up. although now when i try and pullstart it i dont hit those valve stops anymore good sign? i dunno still going to order a new starter and c wat happeneds

[mdwohleber56]

i took the carb off and tryed pullin it apart but the bottom half is stuck to the top so im taking that as a bad sign. the other carb i had came right apart and looks really good but its missing one of those 2 funky bolts and i get get one of them out of the one i origialy had in. soooo any ideas on how to unscrew those weird bolts? or getting the other carb apart?