it will never end

[yooperman]

it started of with the hardcore drugs, went to the marjiuanna and its been working on priscription drugs for a while now. but they were ing these drugs so hard for a long time nobody really payed attention to what was going on behind the scenes tabaccoo products, they have been slowly discretly working on getting rid of them until recently.

You see more and more places banning tabacco usage, its on its way to becoming illegal i seen it coming because in the army they really cracked down on it big time. Check this article out this tabacco thing is in full force its just a matter of time before its done.

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/...4550&id=609784

When does it end? big brother is in charge of everything, people will say oh they cant do that but its the GOVERNMENT they can do anything there is ways around everything being in the military ive seen it done, people will say ahh thats the military if it can be done in the military it can be done on the outside who runs the military the government, this fires me up because i snuff its my stress reliever lol. thought i would share this with ya's.

[dcreel]

As a long time smoker who quit about 3 months ago for the 3rd time in 30 years. Smoking cigarettes is an incredibly stupid way to spend your money. Not to mention a sh!tty thing to force on your children. I have several friends with severe asthma who grew up driving around in a car with a parent puffing away with all the windows rolled up in the car. $5 + a pack to put yourself in an early grave could be what, besides incredibly stupid... I did it for almost 30 years so.. Waking up hacking.. Once upon a time smoking was less hazardous.. but that was before the tobacco companies started removing the tobacco and replacing it with chemicals. Hell, cigarettes started tasting like chemicals..

This is just my opinion.. what you do with your money is on you.. Seeing my children graduate high school and college is important to me.

[Mr_RPM]

I believe people should have the choice to do what they want as long as does not effect anyone else to much.
if you want to smoke, then do it. just be respectful to non-smokers and lets have the non-smokers be respectful to the smokers.

if you dont want to buckle up, or wear a helmet, then dont. it does not effect those who want to wear them.
Im fine not being able to smoke in public places, just as long as I can smoke outside, at parties, in cars ect... I understand the 2nd hand smoke thing and its like drinking and driving. if you want to drink, then go for it. but if your going to effect5 others and drive, then thats where your rights end. same with smoking, if your in dinner at a resturant puffing away, theres kids and such around who your effecting. thats where it ends.

It would be nice to see smoking back in bars and bowling allys and stuff, atleast passed 9-10PM when the kids are in bed.

I personally enjoy a cheap cigar every now and then when just chillin with friends or even alone when cruising in the jeep. If I want to blow my money on it then thats my choice.

[hang&rattle]

Be careful not to categorize where you live as 'free'. This was the U.S., not what one might think of as free. When big Tobacco pays the gov't as much money as pharmaceutical and insurance your rights will be bought back, until then, no rights. Did you know if you mention God's name in the Hospital in Kalispell Mt, you get fired? It is an infringement on others rights. I have 3 friends working there struggling with this. Even if a patient asks them to pray with them, they can get fired. I miss my Copenhagen. I chewed for 20 years and haven't been the same since, but US Tobacco didn't lobby enought money to fight for Tobacco rights, that's the way it goes.

[dcreel]

if you dont want to buckle up, or wear a helmet, the dont. it does not effect those who want to wear them.

This though isn't true.. How many people at least in this part of the country crash with no helmet or seatbelt with no health insurance? Who do you think foots the bill for that? We do through higher taxes. It's not always cut and dried. I agree with everything else you have said. If people are smoking in an establishment I'm going into, I can just as easily turn around and leave. The problem with that is that the number of smokers compared to non smokers is a lot less than it used to be. By allowing smoking in their establishment they are taking the chance of losing a lot of revenue because of that choice. I can see both sides of the matter. But even as a smoker I didn't smoke around my children. So I won't go anywhere my children will be around smoking.

[playasridebmx]

with cigarettes going out like they are and becoming more and more illegal. weed is becoming more legal (somewhat) than its ever been.. maybe everyone should switch to weed instead of cigarettes, weed seems to have less negative effects anyway, i mean it helps glaucoma patients. and ive heard somewhere that it "MAY" help stimulate brain cell growth (ROFL) but ya i do smoke and ive been thinking about trying to quit again, i live in oklahoma and with all the casinos around we tend to get our cigarettes a little cheaper. up til about 2 years ago i was paying 20 bucks a carton now the same smokes are up to 35 a carton and its startin to hurt my wallet

[dcreel]

I quit smoking Jan 10th and I can tell you that life is waaaay better with that fking monkey off my back. Food and drink tastes 200% better, couple of days ago I ran/jogged 5 miles. Something I never could have done as a smoker.. Never. I've got energy now.. Life is much better.. Not to mention I don't smell like an ashtray. My kids are waaay proud of their mom and I for quitting. What's better than that?

I'm a former alcoholic/ drug addict so I won't be replacing cigarettes with weed any time soon. My opinion on weed is that it makes you stupid. I do see a use for it medicinally, the problem with that is the 99% of the other nippleheads abusing the system for their own recreational use. I can tell you I have a hard time remembering things, and getting a meaning out while speaking. But I did a lot of drugs growing up.

[JayBone]

I smoke & i like it, but i wish i never started also. (20 yrs now) It's a slow process over the last 20 yrs actually where banning things in America seems to be a popular past time for many. I see the bad side and i see the good side to no smoking. I am really glad i grew up during the time i have because too early or too late i'd probably hate many more things ha ha Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

I will be 40 soon and i hope to have quit the habit and drinking. I'd like to retire somewhat healthy at least for a short time anyway.

[dcreel]

I smoke & i like it, but i wish i never started also. (20 yrs now) It's a slow process over the last 20 yrs actually where banning things in America seems to be a popular past time for many. I see the bad side and i see the good side to no smoking. I am really glad i grew up during the time i have because too early or too late i'd probably hate many more things ha ha Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

I will be 40 soon and i hope to have quit the habit and drinking. I'd like to retire somewhat healthy at least for a short time anyway.

I just turned 40 in March and I agree.. My brain still thinks I'm 19 but my body is having one hell of a time keeping up... I agree with the tv, cell phones, and rims... I'd love to raise my kids on a mountain in Idaho..

[yooperman]

RPM has a good points and once i read yours dcreel good point as well i never thought of it that way, and the bad part about that it isnt all the unisured people because i have been in that boat many times before at different jobs and the price for it i couldnt afford it, that was when i was younger now that i have grown up and have a family i would have it no matter how much it cost or what i had to do to get it. little off topic but anyways it isnt all of them there is a few poo bags who just play the system and dont make an effort to support them selves or there families they have us do it by being state case's lazy SOB'S. and another i appologize i get fired up by the poo bags who are to lazy and dont wanna work nothing i have was giving to me.

decreel your point is very valid but like RPM said it shouldnt be taken away its a choice,

I can just as easily turn around and leave

if every one do that dcreel and not just the tabacco subject if society would just man it up and suck it about things and get over them unless there effecting them physical or emotionally not just annyoing them i feel society would be much better. So moany people whine and cry about big brother stepping and butting in our lives, but if some ones feelings get hurt oh boy where and who they run to thats right big brother, then things go to crap in a hand basket real fast.

hang&rattle you are right about the free thing, we have some freedoms here and some freedoms there but to say that we are FREE compared to many countries we are but were not. a few example in washington DC illegal to have guns unless thats a new type of freedom, in rattles instance and talk religion because the die hard bible bangers that believe different religons will be offended and you will loose your job. Cant say in god we trust in schools, the list can go on for ever these are just a few that popped to the top of my head. Yeah we have other freedoms that other countrys don't but more and more are getting taking away every day, there is a battle going on every day by the government they are fighting the constitution all the time lots of the people dont think to much about it but when its to late its to late. there is my rant lol AGAIN lol

[Mr_RPM]

Trying to make everyone happy is never going to work, Tolerance is something that needs to understood.
Not to beat another horse here, but to me smoking or drinking (responsibly) is no different the Gay marriage or owning fire arms (again, responsibly) or religion (of all sorts) or even riding 3 wheelers.

Just because you don't like it, does it really effect you THAT much? with some things or scenarios sometimes they do have a bigger effect to people.
But all in all, you dont have to agree to something to just simply be a man and tolerate it. get over it, stop wining and accept you can't always be happy.
lol, anyways Its how i feel. maybe I worded something poorly or used some bad subjects, but you see my point.

just because you dont like 3 wheelers and feel they are dangerous, shouldn't mean you can take them from others. your not forced to use 3 wheelers, let people decide for themselves if 3 wheelers are bad or not.

[Xpress]

I personally think it's a great idea, the whole banning smoking ordeal. I don't have asthma, but I have serious allergies when it comes to smoking tobacco products. First time I tried a cigar, I only got a few puffs into it before I realized that if I went any further, I'd be getting a free ride in an ambulance, and then my friends think they can come over to my place and blow their smoke all around. Just my $0.02....

[Xpress]

Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

Smoking is basically burning your money away, whereas buying stuff like a TV, Cell Phone, A set of $1000 rims, or THREE WHEELERS gives you a long term enjoyment, and it's not like they are just going to burn up, although I'm not saying that they CAN'T burn up...

[dcreel]

Trying to make everyone happy is never going to work, Tolerance is something that needs to understood.
Not to beat another horse here, but to me smoking or drinking (responsibly) is no different the Gay marriage or owning fire arms (again, responsibly) or religion (of all sorts) or even riding 3 wheelers.

Just because you don't like it, does it really effect you THAT much? with some things or scenarios sometimes they do have a bigger effect to people.
But all in all, you dont have to agree to something to just simply be a man and tolerate it. get over it, stop wining and accept you can't always be happy.
lol, anyways Its how i feel. maybe I worded something poorly or used some bad subjects, but you see my point.

just because you dont like 3 wheelers and feel they are dangerous, shouldn't mean you can take them from others. your not forced to use 3 wheelers, let people decide for themselves if 3 wheelers are bad or not.

I will agree with that 100% Most of my pet peeves can't be enforced with anything besides an @$$ whooping.. I hate people who walking into a convenience store or store spit a loogie, tobacco, or whatever on the concrete in front of the entrance doors to a business. That and littering make me want to throttle the life out of people.. People driving by my house throw out a whole McDonals dinner in my yard.. I've chased people down for that.

[250x]

This though isn't true.. How many people at least in this part of the country crash with no helmet or seatbelt with no health insurance? Who do you think foots the bill for that? We do through higher taxes. It's not always cut and dried. I agree with everything else you have said. If people are smoking in an establishment I'm going into, I can just as easily turn around and leave. The problem with that is that the number of smokers compared to non smokers is a lot less than it used to be. By allowing smoking in their establishment they are taking the chance of losing a lot of revenue because of that choice. I can see both sides of the matter. But even as a smoker I didn't smoke around my children. So I won't go anywhere my children will be around smoking.

for example, I am curious to know as how one would believe that by a rider not wearing a helmet and crashing costs the tax payers. The hospitals collection agencies do not go after the tax payers, they go after the patient whether he/she has insurance or not. I have been on a bike my entire adult life, and before that I raced MX. I FULLY believe that the helmet law should be optional. Furthermore, NO HELMET is deemed safe, and DOT helmets, if you read the testing results, claims that the helmet has held up to their testing is all, not deeming it road worthy or not. They truely have ZERO say in whether it will protect your head or not. Full face helmets kill more people than half helmets. They have an outstanding neck breaking feature built into everyone of them. imagine your neck snapping back from impact and a hardend bar slamming against your rear neck. I have been through this dispute in NY also working with a very large organization towards removing helmet laws. It should be a choice. I would only ever wear a lid on the highway, never locally just putsin out for smokes.

as far as smoking, thats the same thing. A bar or restaurant business now has to force the smokers outdoors. In a bar, it is a proven fact that most smoke after drinking, this is proof by being in bars, not by some BS paper that someone facaded or a petition signed by non smokers. We, as smokers, now have to go out doors to smoke so the non-smokers can sit in the bar. Why not the non-smokers have to go outside to "non-smoke" while the smokers sit in the bar with those who don't care either way like it has been for that past 50+ year or whatever.

I officially have no say, or choice, or rights, this is our nation, and we all have these lack-of-rights, equally.


sorry politics piss me off...lol