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    which set of reeds to get

    Lookin to get a touch more power but widget is better v force or boisen v force has a new set up that snaps together but I'm lost on such one is better

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    I once bought a used bike with V-Force reeds and the reed block was "melted" where the reeds seat on the frame. I called them up and they said I was the first person who had ever had this problem (if I had a buck...) Then they said it was likley caused by bad gas as I was in Mexico??? (We don't use no stinkin Ethanol here MF!)

    Point is I've used Boyseen reeds is every 2 stroke I've ever owned and have never had a problem.

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    Did the boisen work good did they up performance

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    I have run V-Force in sleds with good results. One is just as good as the other IMHO. The thing about reeds is you wont really pick up any real significant power without supporting mods to go with them. Actually, i believe reeds are more of a supporting mod to bigger mods when the stock setup cant feed the beast well enough. Just to give an example from my experience, when I installed VF-3's in my sled, no jetting changes were needed. If jetting adjustments werent needed how much more power could one expect to gain? My sled engine was stock with stock exhaust. Put pipes and a couple other mods with them,and the benefit of the reeds increases. It did however seem to pick up a little snappier throttle response. But what something seems to be doesnt necessarily make it so...
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    I have a few different reed systems, from boyesen rad valve to v force 3 & Duncan racing pyramid valve cage....

    And boyesen replacement reeds for the stock cage.

    More of a supporting mod, but i did notice snappier response !

    You'll want a full exhaust kit, 38mm carb, and hi flow air filter.

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    I agree on none of them being much of a performance booster, but they do smooth the transition into the power band and they let the engine get up on the pipe a little sooner as they are more pliable than steel and thus open sooner and of course if they break they won't take out your engine like steel can, but I've heard for max. RPM you stick with the steel reeds and remove the stops, or bend them back (open them). It shortens reed life a lot (I'm not recommending this) but you can allegedly get more RPM out of steel reeds. Can't say I've tried it, but if anyone has I'd like to know what the results were.

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    Never was a fan of dual stage boyesons. Pulled apart many machines and found them not closing all the way after very little use. I even have a brand new set that hangs open no matter how you flip them. The v-force 2reeds gave a nice gain on my quadracer but i think it had alot to do with the stock reed cage being too small. On my kawasaki i didnt notice any benefits over my carbon techs which are half the price. May have something to do with kawasakis having plenty of reed area to begin with. $100+ dollars for 1hp is not cost effective IMO. I often wonder if the gains people find are just from the old reeds being worn or weak.
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    I do have a full exhaust I have a 38mm Carb on k&n air filter but they set it up with a pice of pvc so kinda loose is it possible to suck to much air also running ngk br8es plug board .40 over just doesn't seem really to rip as much as I thought it would what else is there to do reeds will help but I want more from it

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    Boring over is not really considered a hp adding mod. Boring and oversized piston is just done to keep piston/cylinder clearances in spec. Some people even think that bored .040 adds 40cc, .050 adds 50cc and so on....not true. I see it in CL ads all the time. Drives me nutz!

    Get the cylinder ported if you want a really big kick in the pants. Fix that filter mount setup! If you are loose between the filter and the carb, your topend wont be long for this world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrs View Post
    I do have a full exhaust I have a 38mm Carb on k&n air filter but they set it up with a pice of pvc so kinda loose is it possible to suck to much air also running ngk br8es plug board .40 over just doesn't seem really to rip as much as I thought it would what else is there to do reeds will help but I want more from it
    If your anything like me you are never gonna have enough, no matter how much its bored or what pipe so on and so forth!! The day I finally run down that unicorn hell may freeze over! Build it to where it runs like a smooth machine and leave it be is my advise. Maybe someday Ill take my own advice so I have a machine to ride instead of always working on one, ha ha. Good luck
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    Your best bet is to have it Ported.

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    I agree with all these guys. There is always a misconception with "reeds and adding power"..
    You generally wont get a "power gain" out of any reed system. You will get crisper throttle response and gain some bottom-mid torque, or top end pull depending on your set-up, but they do not really add power unless your are replacing steel reeds are coming off of worn out stock set-ups. Any power you feel you "gain" is just a "mind trip" thing if you ask me..

    I am assuming you are talking about your TRX R again.
    I had one with a FMF pipe that was built for hi RPM use, and personally I hated it. The FMF fatty was not to bad, but that Hi rev FMF sucked. It had no torque with that pipe on it.
    So maybe you may just need a pipe that suits your riding style more, that will shift the power range down into the mid range for you. I dont know. You never specified where you want more power, so it is hard to help you. Maybe you could enlighten us with a little more clarity as to what type of riding you do and where you want to focus your power range at.

    A cheap Mod would be to put on a 89 CR250 head gasket for some added torque on the bottom, if you are running a stock head and jug. Make sure your engine is in good mechanical order too. Low compression, fat or lean jetting will rob you of power also.

    Stock TRX motors run pretty well IMO, so if you want significant more power, you may need to go with some good portwork, or just get a 295 kit on it.
    My buddy had a TRX with a 265 kit and trinity porting with a LRD adjustable pipe and it friggn hauled the mail.
    I have a Stock TRX with V force 2's and Paul Turner type 6 pipe. It isnt that fastest quad out there, but has a real nice mid range torque to it that makes it perfect for trails, and still gets moving on the top end too.

    Out of reeds and choices though, that I have run on a R, the V force 2's seem to be the best, and I have rode them with Rad valves, Boyeson's and V f 3's. Really they all work well but the V forces series give the best throttle response IMO, but none made any bike any faster than the next.
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    Well its wrong to say but I want to try and keep up with my brother he has a 06 450r and has lots of tork I want more bottom and mid I do a little motocross at his house track set up just want a bike that will be all around power not worried about to much top end really don't use 5th and 6th gear all that often bike won't bring front end up on its own has fmf gold

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    top end doesnt mean 5th and 6th gear.. it means the upper end of your engines power range.
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