Quad-Z vs TRX250R

[TimSr]

I finally got it, but havent had much chance to give it a REAL test. All I can say is Yamaha should have built one of these.

Wheelbase is about identical.
Center of gravity is about identical.
250R front end is beefier with more suspension travel.
Quad-Z has tighter turning radius.
Quad-Z steering is a little higher.
Rear suspension is about the same.
Quad-Z front end width will be about the same as soon as I get rid of the huge offset from the front rims. Same with rear when I add offset rims.

Ive only ridden it for a couple of short test runs, but the Z has noticeably better low end, which should be even more noticeable when its geared down to reality where I can use it. For top end, Id have to flip a coin.

I may have to do some engineering to change spindle assemblies so I can run Banshee brake assemblies unless somebody can identify a similar brake pad I can use as replacements.

[TimSr]

[Tri-Z Pilot]

Sweet tim, keep us informed.

[J.D.]

Not to be mean, but the front plastic on the Z looks gay. If it looked better, like it belonged to the quad, I think it would look 100% better. Still looks pretty cool though.

[350Xccelerator]

do the right thing. make it a trike again.

[YAMAHA_Jim]

Nice score Tim sr. How is that thing for tippin up on any wheel and riding around? Its a bit late now but I agree that yamaha shoulda built them along time ago. Are you gonna race HS and MX with it?
Goodluck with it.

[Rod]

I can't believe i'm going to say it but I actually like the looks! I do agree though, the front plastic does look a little pieced togther but overall I don't think it looks to bad at all.

[Dynofox]

I also think it looks pretty bad ass, a lot better without the headlights. I have a pic of a black and red Z in an old dirtwheels with that astro kit on it and I think it looks pretty sweet.

[TimSr]

TriZ Jim hit it on the head. I got this to compete in Harsecrambles and MX, not to sit back and admire it. I dont think its going to be anything close to a Blaster as a stunt machine, though.

I pulled the front Protrax off my 250R, and put on it. At the same time, I redrilled vlave stem holes, and flipped the rims, so now its actually about 2" narrower than the R. I replaced the 42T rear sprocket with a 46. To my shock, i had no extra fronts, but I want to drop it to an 11 or 12. The twist throttle probably needs to go. Its okay for HS, but I dont like it for MX at all.

Goku - Inannimate objects cannot be gay, other than a few exceptions. Examples would be, your blow up rubber man, your Ken doll, and your Michael Jackson action figure. LOL! JK! but you were asking for that one!

350X - Ive already got a Tri-Z, dont need another one. As I said, Im shooting for a semi-serious competitor, and it aint happening on a trike. I intend to run nit in a HS Dec 7.

[J.D.]

Goku - Inannimate objects cannot be gay, other than a few exceptions. Examples would be, your blow up rubber man, your Ken doll, and your Michael Jackson action figure. LOL! JK! but you were asking for that one!

HEY! YOU PROMISED YOU WOULDN'T TELL! :evil: :evil:

Should the general public hear about our wild night?

[84250r]

Give it to me I'll take her back!

I think it doesnt look the best but,,,your choice.

[Tri-Z Pilot]

One time I talked to the owner of trenga racing on the phone (he lives like 25 miles away from me), and he said that he never knew why yamaha just didnt put the tri-z engine in a quad and call it the Blaster.

[smokinwrench]

As I said, Im shooting for a semi-serious competitor,

What was wrong with the trxR in hare scrambles? Do you think this quad will outperform it?

Josh

[TimSr]

NOW its a harescrambler!

TriZ Pilot, dropping a high performance liquid cooled TriZ or YZ motor in a budget Blaster chassis doesnt address its biggest problems that put it in a different category than the TRX250R, and would have only added a higher price to a quad aimed at the budget market. The wheelbase is way too short, the suspension systems way too poor, and until recently, they were even equipped with mechanical brakes. You could drop the motor of your choice in it, and the TRX250R would cream it an any competition beyond straight line drags with eual riders. Its not the motor that makes a Blaster a weaker competitor.

Smokinwrench, The TRX250R has been great in both MX and Harescrambles. Its been a little weak on low end power (to me), but Im sure Id never have even known it had I not had a TriZ to compare it to. It still does a great job on HS, but compared to the new MX quads out there now, a stock R is pretty lame for MX without sinking serious money into it. I do not expect this quad to perform any better than the 250R.

I had several things in mind when I got this. Ive always been a Yamaha fan, and wished they would have made something to compete with the TRX250R, LT250R, and Tecate 4. Ive actaully been wtching for a junk Blaster for over a year, because I was going to build my own. Problem is the geometry was all wrong and I was looking at huge modifications to try and retrofit the TriZ rear end on the Blaster chassis, and then I was still going to need forward extended A-Arms to try to get the longer wheelbase needed. I was looking at a lot of work and money.
When I saw this, it seemed to be exactly what I was looking for. First Im thinking money. If I buy this as a suitable and competitive replacement for my R for $1500, I should be able to sell my 250R for over twice that. Also, what would make a better competition compliment to my TriZ? And If only have to stock one set of spare parts that actually fit both my trike and my quad. Also, in a pinch, I can aways "borrow" spare parts.
Thats the practical side. On the other side, lots of people run 250Rs. I want something nobody else has, not to give me some kind of advantage, but just to be different. The same people that see me racing the TriZ will also be seeing me race the Quad-Z, the anti-Honda.
All in all, I see myself with about $1500 extra dollars in hand, doing the same things Im doing now, and riding the quad Ive always wanted.

[smokinwrench]

Thanks for the explaination, I understand why you bought. I ride a atc for the same reason to be different the spare parts reason is good to. I think it looks good. Can you buy a new front fender for it if that one breaks?

Is your R going to be forsale soon? I might be interested.

Josh