Ohh man... Bad day for my X

[Mosh]

It's not the price. The closest shop where I can grab that is like an hour away. Auto parts store is 5 mins. Sorry guys should've figured a question like this would start a war. Lol. I know everyone's got their own opinions n that all I was trying to see. "What u use and what kinda results ya get"! But seriously thanx for all the help I'm really not clueless. I just always second guess myself. Lol

no war. If you go to parts store, tell them you need anaerobic sealer for aluminum. It is designed for your application. It will be a jelly like substance that is red in color.

[kb0nly]

No hurt toes here... Not trying to start a fight either. Just saying i find it sickening that people are so stuck on this crap. Hondabond... blah blah blah. I hear that so much its like i block the word from my mind... LOL

I can't get Hondabond ANYWHERE near me. The local auto shops all use Permatex Ultra Gray when its called for because they can't get it without some extra work also. I asked an actual Honda dealer for it once, they looked at me like i smoke crack. I asked them again, the guy said why would you want that we just use this, and handed me a tube of Permatex.

I have done enough of this stuff that i know how to do it, and i don't loose any sleep worrying about the RTV killing the motor. About the only place i need sealer on these anyway is the rocker cover and you use it sparingly and clean everything. I like to wipe the mating surfaces down with prep-solv before application. When i clean the surfaces prior to assembly i use an assortment of 3m prep pads, scotchbrite pads do a good job and wont remove much if any metal if you use the right grit and pressure.

If you wanna use Hondabond by all means fellers, but i know i don't need to spend $15 on a $3 job... Last time i priced Hondabond it wasn't $7 a tube as your suggesting. I swear though, i am going to get a tube of the elusive Hondabond and do some side by side testing with Permatex and show everyone with pictures what the real deal is. Hondabond is nothing more than a high temp silicone liquid sealant, its right there in the factory MSDS for it, a quick google search turned it up. Of course you can't get the exact formulation data as its protected, but do you honestly think Honda makes it? I wouldn't doubt one of the top sealant makers does for them. The only thing i have noticed differently is that HB has less of an acid smell to it, like a acid free sensor safe RTV, and it dries harder, more of a modifier in it to cure it harder. Not a mystery glue that its made out to be... LOL

You go your way, i go mine i think is the old saying... :-)

Edit: Patent and branding searches on a few websites i use for this turned up the following.... 3Bond is the company name that makes Hondabond, its the same formulation as their TB1104 except a dye is added to make it black, TB1104 is gray. There mystery solved. Its just a flexible synthetic silicone rubber sealant.... Not much different than Permatex except for the name and the price! LOL

[shortline10]

How are them toes feeling you know I love ya 3 wheel ham buddy. But we all have are own opinion.

[kb0nly]

Dropped a can of shaving cream on them in the shower, so not too good, dang kids soap was in the way and i knocked it over... OUCH... LOL

[jwilz]

So i picked, blew, and flushed out all the metal shards to the point of darn near obsessive and over doing it last night. Pretty sure i got it all. The motor kicked off the split second the bolt broke and caught in the sprocket so luckily the metals didnt see much running time to get dispersed too much. Got it all back together. The high heat RTV worked fine, like i figured it would. I always try to be 100% sure before doing anything i'm not completely familiar with. Good pic Kbonly, thanx. I was up pretty late last night when i put the rock/cov. back on so I'll prob try n wait until tomorrow to start her back up and give the RTV enough time to cure. Figure after i run her a lil bit I'll drain the oil to inspect for metal. Still not sure how it happened, either bolt walked or head was snapped and just hanging on when i installed originally. I dunno, the remainder of the shaft of the bolt measured up with the other sprocket bolt as to look like it couldn't have walked. Just by looking at the back of the sprocket and seeing how both bolts come to sit in the end of the threads. Not that it would need to walk much the clearance there is definitely minimal. Maybe it was sabotaged.... Maybe my rm 125 got jealous of all the attention the trikes been getting.......

[kb0nly]

LOL good to hear...

I was thinking of getting two new flange head bolts, the serrated type that are like a built in lockwasher i forget what they are called, to replace the camshaft sprocket bolts. But i suppose a regular bolt and some loctite might work as well for security sake. Those bolts seem awful soft too.

[shortline10]

Only the factory bolts will work at the cam sprocket , a flanged bolt will hit the cam cover , yes the tolerances are that close .

LOL good to hear...

I was thinking of getting two new flange head bolts, the serrated type that are like a built in lockwasher i forget what they are called, to replace the camshaft sprocket bolts. But i suppose a regular bolt and some loctite might work as well for security sake. Those bolts seem awful soft too.

[jwilz]

u can file it to be more low profile. It's what i had to do with the one i replaced after it exploded.

[kb0nly]

Hmm... I can get some low profile metric flange bolts. Time to break out the digital caliper and do some investigating.

[jwilz]

Alright..... So after letting the RTV cure and putting it all back together i went to kick her over. A few kicks like it took before the other mishap and it went to turn over. I felt the kicker push back pretty hard and the motor didnt turn over. ????? I didn't do anything that would have changed the kicker. And she started up before. It now did this push back thing a couple times before i gave up. Each time it seemed like it wanted to start but didn;t i guess cus of this??? Idk I'm at a loss. I really really REALLY don;t want to find out i have to split the cases and fix the kicker. Now i did feel a lil bit of a pushback a couple times before i did the whole cam bolt thing and she was turning over then so i didn't put much mind into it. Maybe some more kicks it would have started . Maybe the lil pushback is normal for these things???? Idk. Please help