Atc 200m Battery Problems

[CodyRosa]

Hey guys I just recently hooked up a new battery to my 200M to try the electric start. Of course it did NOT work. I tested the battery with a Kc light and it lit right up and very bright! So i know the battery is good. I then put the light where my normal headlight would be and nothing. I hooked up the taillight and nothing. I looked at the main fuse and it was fine.

I know there could a hundred different problems(i think? lol) but where would you check if your electric start didn't work. Now I don't think it has anything to do with it but I did remove my ignition and I have the four wires dangling. I obviously have the red/black (or whatever it is) hooked up for the ignition to be turned on.

Any help for a start is very appreciated.

And one last thing.. very random do I need a special tool to get a magneto out? My spark plugs don't spark to well so i'd like to see if its rusty/gunk got on it.

Thanks everyone,

Cody

[CodyRosa]

Crap can i change the title to atc 200m battery problems? I didn't mean to make it just atc 200m

[Flossyb20]

Make sure it's in neutral...

[CodyRosa]

lol its in neutral. I'm not that stupid haha

[dustrunner]

try running power directly to the starter and see if that is good... and im thinking the switches might need attention also.. good luck..

[kb0nly]

The four wires to the switch should be...

Green - Ground
Black - Ignition
Red - Battery
Yellow/Red - Battery Out / Turns on power to light switch and starter circuit

You don't need anything jumped for it to run. The green and black wires get connected by the ignition switch in the off position, so when the switch is on they are disconnected and open, leave them unconnected. For the lights and electric start to work you need to connect the Red and Yellow/Red wires together.

This seems to have come up a lot lately but i will repeat it again.

Pull your headlight out, find the four wires from the switch, the black and green are both male connectors, unplug them from the connectors in the headlight and leave them disconnected, if you want a switch in the future just plug back in, or if you plan on replacing with a toggle switch you can but its really not needed as the kill switch on the handlebars gives you the same function.

Disconnect the Red and Yellow/Red, you will notice they are opposite genders, one is male one is a female, take the wires that the switch plugged into and plug them together in the headlight, now the headlight switch and starter circuit always have power. If you want to switch this circuit then put a toggle switch between these two wires or wire in an aftermarket ignition switch, you can get one for like ten bucks off ebay, just look for a four wire atv ignition switch.

Take jumper cables and just use the positive side and clip onto your battery, this is provided you have the ground to the frame from the battery connected good, and tap the other end to the terminal on the starter, does it spin? If not the starter is bad, if it does then you still have something else bad.

If the starter tests good, and your neutral light is on, then its on to checking the start button switch and the starter relay. The start button just supplies the ground to the starter relay, but the button switch only has a ground if the neutral switch is working. You can test all this up in the headlight with a digital volt/ohm meter, aka VOM. You want to check for continuity. If you have continuity from ground/frame to the light green/red wire then the neutral switch is good, then you want to push the start button and see if you have continuity between the green/red wire to ground, and you want to check the green/red wire in the headlight from the switch and also back at the starter relay just to rule out connections. If this all checks out and the start button is switching the ground to the starter relay then take your test light or volt meter and check across the ground (green/red) and positive (yellow/red) wires at the starter solenoid, you should see power when the start button is pressed, and if you listen closely you would even hear the relay click. If you have power there you can also check the relay for operation, one large terminal is the battery, the other is the starter, use your test light, with the start button pressed do both of them have power? If not the relay isn't working.

The fuse, 10A, is for the charging and light circuit and also supplies power to the Red wire at the ignition switch, so if you don't have power to the Red wire up at the headlight double check that fuse and make sure its not corrosion in there causing problems.

[CodyRosa]

Ok guys I tested the started. Fired my machine right up. Then the solenoid with a screwdriver on both posts(whatever they are) and it was turning over but wasn't starting(no gas tank) My dad was thinking the solenoid is bad but how would it be bad if it's turning it over? What is my next best option?? When i fired it up with the starter I had all 4 ignition wires unplugged.

Red, black, black/white, and green. When I had the red and black together for the ignition my toggle switch would light up so i know there getting power.

Any suggestions?

Thanks again everyone for the help!

[kb0nly]

Ahh ok, you have an 85...

Black/White Ignition
Green Ground
Red Battery
Black Battery Out

Leave the Black/White and Green disconnected and leave the Red and Black connected like you have it, your ok there.

Jumping it with a screwdriver don't tell you the solenoid is good or bad, just that the screwdriver is good at making the short... LOL

Did you get it to run the starter without jumping the posts on the solenoid? If not then i agree with your Dad, the solenoid is probably bad, test it! With the start button pushed just take a test light and check the wires on the solenoid, one large one has power from the battery, one of the small wires (yellow/red) also has power, the start switch just supplies the ground to the other small wire at the solenoid (Green/Red), if there is not voltage on both of the large terminals that you jumped with a screwdriver when pushing the start button then its the solenoid, but make sure you have power to the Yellow/Red and ground to the Green/Red before you replace it. Take your test light, unplug the solenoid and put your test light across the two wires, Yellow/Red and Green/Red, make sure you still have the Red and Black connected up at the switch and then press the start button, does the test light come on? If so all your wiring up to that point is ok and its just the solenoid.

[CodyRosa]

Oh I figured the screwdriver showrd it worked. I dont know to much about motors. How much is a solenoid? Im going to try and test it how you said to right now.

[CodyRosa]

Ok I tested it and it had power before and after I pushed the start button. I'm just going to assume its bad and i'll have to buy another one. I really only want the headlight though don't care so much for electric start.

[sammiefish]

How much is a solenoid?

less than $15 new to your door

[kb0nly]

They are cheap...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Rela...f54edd&vxp=mtr

http://dratv.com/12vstswalal.html

[kb0nly]

Ok I tested it and it had power before and after I pushed the start button. I'm just going to assume its bad and i'll have to buy another one. I really only want the headlight though don't care so much for electric start.

The headlight should be working with the battery in, if its not then you will have to trace through the lighting circuit and find out whats bad there. I have the manuals on my server, link below in my signature.

[CodyRosa]

For the headlight do i need to use a ground? The light im using is a completely different one and only has two wires. I broke my old one and didn't have a lightbulb to begin with. If i need the ground what should i do then? because I dont think I can get a 3rd wire in there.

[kb0nly]

If it has two wires just connect the ground from the light to the Green wire, and the power from the light can go to the Blue or the White, the white is the Low Beam position on the switch, the Blue is the High Beam position on the switch. If neither the white or blue have power your light switch might need to be taken apart and cleaned up.