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Yes I agree I am thinking I'd be better off spending a little more money then spending so much time.
yes, I disconnected the kill switch fist thing.
This is like to the 20,000th 'no spark three wheeler' I have fixed. Non had been close to this hard. I just don't understand. Most have been a bad wire, switch, or spark plug.
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Exact opposite here, i have replaced a half dozen CDI's on 185's and 200's in the last year alone. Even one on a 125M also.Originally Posted by Howdy
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Are pulse generators known to go bad?
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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My new cheap CDIs arrived in the mail today. I was just itchin' to see if I could get mine to work.
I went out immediately when I got home. Tested spark with the first/already installed cheap CDI: intermittent/weak spark with the plug removed, wouldn't start with the plug in. Installed the new/cheap CDI, and it fired up immediately and ran strong. It still idles high and has a mid-throttle stumble, but I believe those are in the carb... so I'll see if I can get those sorted. We'll see. Just pointing out that it CAN be in the CDI... but still, check everything.
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Would this make it not have spark? The pics explain what I'm talking about. Is this the "pin" nismortrd was talking about?
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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Yes that will do it.
That triggers the spark.
With that pin gone the advancer can stick at the pulse coil position and stop turning.
No more spark.
Looks like you will need a new unit and pin.
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What's that thing called?
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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I would get them used.
Camshaft pin part 16
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/searc...LVE/parts.html
Advancer assembly. Discontinued part 3
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/searc...LVE/parts.html
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Thank you. I think I know a guy that has one. Once I get it I will give it a try and post the results.
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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I just blew up your picture.
Looks like your cam is also damaged.
I would replace it.
Might get by without but its a chance.
Any 185-200 cam will work.
xr or xl cam would be a nice upgrade.
I have only seen damage like this once.
Laid the bike down and a rock stopped the unit while it was running.
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OK. I will see, but that's a lot of work. What all could it then if it came undone? Probably just the same thing. I will see when I put it on how lose it is and what I want to do.
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Few options if the pin is loose.
Weld Tig the warped area and redrill the hole.
Weld the pin in and grind down the excess.
Epoxy the pin in place, After drying put rtv in the pin gap on the advancer to help keep the epoxy in place.
That damage did not happen from being loose.
A lot of torque had to be applied to break parts like that.
You might also want to check the cam chain.
Might be severely stretched!
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Thank you. You are right. I will do something like that. I probably won't do the first option though because I don't think it would be easy to get a drill in there.
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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I got the new advancer put on. It still doesn't have spark. The advancer had been jamed but the magnet still spun. I think I have narrowed down to the cdi box. I think I'm going to buy a new one. Does anyone know if the small amount off that the ohms are on the Cdi box would make it ruined?
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Owned-one honda 350x three honda 90 s, one honda 110, one honda 185 , three honda 200e s, two honda 200s, one honda 200es, one yamaha 60, four yamaha 125 s, one yamaha 200, one yamaha 225dx , and two kawasaki 160 s, all of wich were good runing three wheelers. Also had lots of parts bikes. Also had lots of dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, gokarts, mopeds, and snowmobiles.
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Probably cdi. Very common.
Lets check some other stuff to make sure.
You already ohmed the stator and pulse coil. Ok
Did you ohm the coil? Both primary and secondary?
Can take a 9volt battery and test to coil. Ground to frame. Positive to primary input.
When power is removed you should get a spark on the secondary or plug lead.
Lets see if the cdi has output. Unplug the coil.
Take your meter set to ac, better with an analog meter, and attach it to the primary input for the coil from the cdi. bl/y
Ground to frame, black meter lead, red positive, to bl/y.
Pull it. Any voltage? Should go up down for firing sequence.
No voltage, Lets check wiring harness to the cdi.
Remove the cdi and press the leads into the cdi harness plug, gently, do not damage them. Make sure you do make contact.
Set meter to ohms and check for open circut on green ground to black white bl/w. If its open then its not kill switch or wiring to it.
Next check ground from green wire to frame. Should be little or no resistance. Closed If high resistance, bad ground.
Lets check for output from the stator and pulse coil getting to the cdi. Green ground for all set meter to ac.
This will see if voltage is reaching the cdi.
Positive to blue yellow bl/y pulse lead pull it.
Next positive to black red bl/r stator pull it.
You can also ohm all those as well, just do not pull the rope for you may fry your meter when set to ohms.
If you resistances are way high or voltages way low, then you have bad wiring or connections between the plug and terminations.
If everything checks out and no output from cdi then the cdi is bad. You can also have output and still have a bad cdi if its weak.
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