WTF Gas Prices! This is INSANE

[ps2fixer]

We were at 3.69 2 days ago now today 3.90. 30 miles due north of NYC. I will tell you how to jack these sk00mbags, Standard Oil which is Mobil Exxon is owned by Rockerfeller. You never buy from Mobil Exxon. Next Shell. Owned by Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands.
Its always these royal inbred satanic pedophile d00shbagz that own these oil companies.
Next BP. never buy from them. Look what they did to the gulf of mexico. Its still freakin leaking oil. These mutants need to be hung upside down by their ballz.

How about clark? That is where I normally buy from since they are more local and the gas seems to be a tiny bit better quality (i get better mpg with their gas).

[Tri-Z 250]

You guys are lucky it works out at $9.58/gallon here diesel is more as its better mpg so they get you there. Engine sizes are creeping up all the time back in the day a 3000cc v6 ford was big engine now regularly see 5400-6200cc motors as cars too big because of supposed safety features, dont know where people get the cash, utility bills about $2800/year fu*"ing council tax double that national insurance, paye, vat blah blah blah its never ending, and all the twats with money are paying F@#K all tax as too many loop holes if you can afford top accountant. WAN*ERS
Looking out of my window can see oil rigs being built but you cant get a job on them cause its all closed club

This is a Perfect example of why we do NOT want our HealthCare system based on surtaxes that pile on an already inflated products. 9-9-9 Herman Cain! Flat tax no matter what, it comes down to SPENDING, and that's what Government does best. Gas Price today intercity Cleveland Reg up to $4.03 a gal(must want to keep the hoodies in the hood this weekend). Oldskool Ohio imports NO foreign Oil it's All Domestic, Gulf or Canada or adjacent Statelined local crewed...Unfortunately the Federal Reserve(over beloved Gov) buys 80% of it's supply from the Arabic/Saudi Nations...Why? I said this for years, the UAW has been cranking out the same motor for over 30yrs. to make them more efficient they went form solid steel to cast aluminum. Take away weight wa-la better mpg. Since the early 70's the conversion to a Natural Gas burning vehicles was developed. Ohio has over 400yrs of Natural gas under 10,000' of soil and the only way to get it is to Frack or drill. Chevy announced the Suburban will be available in a stock ready to use 100%Natural Gas burning machine this year....The waiting list to get one 2yrs long, because regulation say there isn't enough dealers to supply the fuel to the prosective buyers nation wide. You see the cost to run your Natural gas Suburban 400miles takes $12.00 to fill. The Feds and States have set the taxes on the product low due to most consumers need the product for Heat. My argument is 400yrs worth below our feet burn it all and keep it CHEAP...In 400yrs you don't think we won't come up with an alternate fuel like hydrogen, please. This is an immediate solution to saying goodbye to The Foreign market today. Everyone could run a V8 Suburban around and spend less than a Puris-yota, and have money in their pocket to get this Nation back on top financially. I looked into converting my truck and the price was really steep, do to EPA, and Federal regulations, simply put TAX. The people against drilling are the same misinformed people who think 2strokes pollute more than 4strokes. These are also the people who want to create Green space and Natural preserves that the public has no rights to use.

[tri again]

Not to cause trouble, but why does the usa EXport oil
when we are always needing more?

Years ago, prob discovery channel, showed hydrogen tnaks filled with some sort of
gritty litter that held the H2 so it would bleed out slowly.

They shot a propane tank and it blew big like in the movies but the
hydrogen tank just hissed and leaked out slowly so seems safer than
gas.

There just has to be a better way.

I was thinking about making alcohol tractor fuel out of extra apples and farm stuff
but then realized I could eliminate all that and just get a horse.

[hatc200x1]

Gas is down to 3.99 now, 9 cents more then diesel, it dropped 20 or so cents now

[kb0nly]

Yep its finally below $4 here as well again.

I would be interested in a conversion to propane or natural gas if it was afforable enough to do so. I have seen warehouses with LNG powered forklifts and dock trucks and they have a filling station that just pulls off the local supply line like the line coming to your house for your furnace, etc.

Would be neat for sure, but here is how i look at it. Demand is enough on LNG and Propane here in the midwest in the winter time for heat, heck when the crops come out if its a wet year there is huge shortages from the suppliers because of the grain dryers running night and day to bring the crop in. Couple that with a cold winter and watch the prices go up, its still supply and demand, and if there is more demand due to vehicles using it as a fuel source then the supply suffers and the prices go up anyway. I remember wet years when it was hard to get a tank exchange for the BBQ because the demand was so high here.

[ps2fixer]

Yep its finally below $4 here as well again.

I would be interested in a conversion to propane or natural gas if it was afforable enough to do so. I have seen warehouses with LNG powered forklifts and dock trucks and they have a filling station that just pulls off the local supply line like the line coming to your house for your furnace, etc.

Would be neat for sure, but here is how i look at it. Demand is enough on LNG and Propane here in the midwest in the winter time for heat, heck when the crops come out if its a wet year there is huge shortages from the suppliers because of the grain dryers running night and day to bring the crop in. Couple that with a cold winter and watch the prices go up, its still supply and demand, and if there is more demand due to vehicles using it as a fuel source then the supply suffers and the prices go up anyway. I remember wet years when it was hard to get a tank exchange for the BBQ because the demand was so high here.

That is crazy, we never have problems getting LP here, and not far south is a ton of farm land, super windy area too with no trees.

[oldskool83]

I payed 3.47 today, drove 120 miles today used a little over 3 gallons. Keep your speed under 60 helps too. Me and the 04 civic are going everyware lol. And for the person who recomends an VW truck deisel...they are about the biggest heaps of crap by now, you would spend more in repairs and harder time finding parts then cutting the back of a 10yo car off and welding in a back window for a new school car/truck. Oil knows we like Big autos, so do the auto makers...why do you think new school muscle cars are back. I also love it when people whine about somthing guzzeling fuel...well you bought it lol. Ive hauled more crap in a 2 door civic then I know people with trucks every hauled.

[ps2fixer]

I payed 3.47 today, drove 120 miles today used a little over 3 gallons. Keep your speed under 60 helps too. Me and the 04 civic are going everyware lol. And for the person who recomends an VW truck deisel...they are about the biggest heaps of crap by now, you would spend more in repairs and harder time finding parts then cutting the back of a 10yo car off and welding in a back window for a new school car/truck. Oil knows we like Big autos, so do the auto makers...why do you think new school muscle cars are back. I also love it when people whine about somthing guzzeling fuel...well you bought it lol. Ive hauled more crap in a 2 door civic then I know people with trucks every hauled.

You clearly never met my dad , of course he only gets like 18mpg with his pickup . The VW Diesel truck is exactly the same front end and engine as the VW Golf/Rabbit, they just put a truck bed in the back, so there are more parts than you would thing. The rabbit cars are cheap to buy in running shape, the trucks are hard to find, so just get one with a good body, buy a car that drives, and swap parts if needed.

I drive 45mph, which gets me 45mpg with a car that *should* average 26mpg.


Here is a pic of my dad's last wood load, smaller than normal because they ran out of sun light, he normally has another row on the tail gate too. .... Yes that is a OLD Mazda, 1989 B2600i Pickup. He bought a parts truck for $500 and has bearly needed any parts, mainly clutch fan and the belt tension system was rigged on his truck when he bought it.

[atc007]

^^^^^^^ WTF,,HOLY SH!T.. I am the one known around here for pulling that type of stuff. But,not in a million years would I consistently pull off a deal like that!! That is NUTS ! Please tell me he stays on private land and isn't out on a public road with families coming towards him !! That is off the hook

[Scootertrash]

That is waaay overloaded and unsafe on any main road. He doesn't actually drive around others like that does he?

Ive hauled more crap in a 2 door civic then I know people with trucks every hauled.

[kb0nly]

That thing must be crazy as hell to drive loaded like that, no weight on the front end. I have had to drive with too much rear end weight before, it sucks, feels like your going to crash every time you make a turn.

[ps2fixer]

I believe he is on his 4th season of wood with that pickup and basically every load like that. He has a trailer too . When he is loaded he don't travel all that fast. It kind of runs in the family, if you look in the last photo carefully you can see his brother's load, but he has a bigger truck too . Yes... they have broken leaf springs in the past... back in the 90s my dad built a truck more or less from the ground up, rear leafs counted to either 14 or 18, don't remember for sure. 4x4 truck that weighed in something like 7800 pounds 4x4 and got like 18mpg with an old olds v8. Oh did I say the cab was a 70s Chevy station wagon which means he has a 4x4 station wagon that hulled scrap.

Anyway, we should probably keep this thread a bit more on gas related stuff .


EDIT:

I should say also the load wasn't secured as well as he normally does, it was a short trip and fairly late at night. All roads were empty, probably saw 1 other person on the roads. We live around 20-25 miles from any major city.

[250r'en +TCB]

Hydrogen will NEVER replace oil derived fuels!

Yes hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it is already bonded with some other atom! 2 hydrogen's and an oxygen make water for instance. And at the end of the day it takes X amount of energy to separate those hydrogen atoms, that will never change as it is a law of physics.

Long story short, it takes more energy to attain pure hydrogen than you can possibly get from using it as a fuel. No matter how much technology improves this fact will NEVER change, it is a mathematical certainty!

[ps2fixer]

Not sure where the Hydrogen talk came from, but if you think about it, it is a possible fuel source... for cars at least.. Power plans are fairly efficient at making power and fairly "cheap". If you were able to extract Hydrogen from water at say 80% efficiency, it might be cost effective to use as a fuel source vs $4 per gal of gas. Of course the power plants need a fuel source to start with so at the end of the day we are still burning oil, coal, nuclear, or w\e is in your area.