stop welding hubs to axle

[Mosh]

There are some broke/cheap/ uneducated mo-fo's out there...everything from trashcan lids for fenders to old Thin Lizzy t-shirts for seatcovers and coffee cans with a pair of pantyhose for a filter. And it all seemss to revolve around certain regions , many three wheelers , and mid 80s atv's. It completely backs up many theories that most of the machines were drug out from grandpa's old shed for free. Problem is grandpa is not around any longer to teach these kids how to do something right.

Many times we see the result of said stupidity and cheapness a topic of tech discussion on forums like these.

And right below the (my coffee can air filter 200s needs re-jetted ) threads , you get a ( wouldn't it be cool if Honda made a new modern trike 450) thread...The reality is about .000003% of people would or could even afford one..and it will ultimately wind up in the hands of someone with no money and cheap stick welder anyway...with the hubs welded on..

Save the welding of hubs and lawn mower gas tanks for the friggin apocolypse....which may not be far off with this current society...

Or maybe...instead of people being uneducated they could be considered the fathers of necessity of invention.
As long as stuff is avaialable though it should be fixed right.

[Schmoore Racing]

A friend of mine bought a 200x whose previous owner was welder happy as well. the hubs were welded, shifter,, front sprocket, the rear grab bar was made of angle iron. the worst was even the lugnuts were welded on one side. I agree if it is a dire situation but if it can be fixed right just fix it. that being said some trikes aren't worth a whole lot so I can see the side of where it is easier and cheaper to weld. it is almost disheartening to someone who actually respects atc the way the need to be.

[ps2fixer]

My shifter was wielded on...my friend bought a quad that the exhaust was wielded to the motor.

I had that with my 350x I got. He welded the header to the engine, and where the header goes into the exhaust pipe. The welds were complete crap and were overly HUGE!

Pics -

200es rims with bolts welded inside for chains
250sx with 250es front end + rear racks w\ fenders from a 250es welded to the frame
350x exhaust welding + other fancy stainless metal work (including airbox lid!).

[spark23ca]

my buddie did that ..welded just the nut to an axle cause it the hub was stripped and the nut would over tighten...used 7018 wich is a really really strong rod it just spun it right off first ten feet ..its better just to wait to be able to get the parts then cheep out

[ps2fixer]

my buddie did that ..welded just the nut to an axle cause it the hub was stripped and the nut would over tighten...used 7018 wich is a really really strong rod it just spun it right off first ten feet ..its better just to wait to be able to get the parts then cheep out

Haha so the forward direction was the take off direction for the axle nut for the hub . Would have worked better hub welded to axle and have eveyone made at him for it here :P.

[big specht]

[QUOTE=Mosh;1259793]There are some broke/cheap/ uneducated mo-fo's out there...everything from trashcan lids for fenders to old Thin Lizzy t-shirts for seatcovers and coffee cans with a pair of pantyhose for a filter.
LOL I have done some of that stuff and have some bikes with that stuff on them now LOL ( socks make better filters ) until they get sucked thru the carb and come out the plug hole LOL

[David Ham]

Crazy some of the things that people weld together!

[ps2fixer]

[QUOTE=big specht;1260879]

There are some broke/cheap/ uneducated mo-fo's out there...everything from trashcan lids for fenders to old Thin Lizzy t-shirts for seatcovers and coffee cans with a pair of pantyhose for a filter.
LOL I have done some of that stuff and have some bikes with that stuff on them now LOL ( socks make better filters ) until they get sucked thru the carb and come out the plug hole LOL

Agreed, 4 layers of socks really work well, big time if they are worn out and extra holy errr holey . FYI, zip ties help keep them from trying to become the fuel.

I ran my 200es with a sock filter for like 3 months before I bought a filter for it lol. Oddly it gets dusty/dirty quicker than the normal filter, must be less surface area. This was also when I was like 16 lol.

[spark23ca]

its nice to have things work the way they are supposed to ..but some things are just beaters ..some people are just trying to get a couple months out of something ...although my big red 250 looks like a temporary bike i want to ride it forever no matter how it looks.i try to get the parts i can for it ..welding to the axles is crazy tho i had a friend with a machine shop and he said metal like the axle rod is too strong to weld..it makes it brittle when you weld to it ...if ya weld something and run a file over the bead of weld after it cools and it don't make a mark..you welded too hard of metal and you got something about half as strong as it would be stock..i've migged on shifters for friends ...but just so they could get em off with a die grinder easily when they got new parts...small town longer to wait for good parts ..

[ebaccm26]

Agreed, 4 layers of socks really work well, big time if they are worn out and extra holy errr holey . FYI, zip ties help keep them from trying to become the fuel.

I ran my 200es with a sock filter for like 3 months before I bought a filter for it lol. Oddly it gets dusty/dirty quicker than the normal filter, must be less surface area. This was also when I was like 16 lol.

Washcloths and trash bag ties works too apparently . Pulled this out of a 225dx a while back, it also happened to be soaked...maybe they only had one washcloth to share for showering and filtering??

[spark23ca]

that guy should have his welder taken away from him...thats a 350x for gods sakes ..even a good welder woudlnt be able to make that stay ..exhaust should never be solid to the engine or frame its got to have flex ...thats a good way to have the bolts that hold the cylinder down snapped off ..somethings got to give

[fallguy666]

that guy should have his welder taken away from him...thats a 350x for gods sakes ..even a good welder woudlnt be able to make that stay ..exhaust should never be solid to the engine or frame its got to have flex ...thats a good way to have the bolts that hold the cylinder down snapped off ..somethings got to give

um,no.my 350x is bone stock and the exhaust can not and will not flex!!! If the motor had rubber mounts and was allowed to move a little you would be correct.seeing as how the motor is bolted in place,and does not move,neither does the exhaust

[ps2fixer]

Washcloths and trash bag ties works too apparently . Pulled this out of a 225dx a while back, it also happened to be soaked...maybe they only had one washcloth to share for showering and filtering??

Haha great quality work there, it must have been running to lean, so they tried to cut off more air going into it to force the carb to suck more gas.... maybe it was too much gas O.o.

[gootheboy]

i had to cut a finishline axle off my 86 broke my heard but spent way to much time trying to un weld the hubs. guess its karma. i will have to admit that i did this for a friend's big red. he needed to change the rear sprocket and the hub was welded on but not real well. so i ground it off changed the sprocket and chain and welded it back on. when i was done i bought it. never did much with it bc of the high low getting bound up. i was 17 and was handy with a welder and grinder but not the sharpest tool in the shed. still don't claim to be but if there is a mistake to make i'll find a way to make it

[sanchez]

Formerly being a pipewelder and always being me i have a fix but it does require welding.

Most peaple never reinforce the stripped spline stabilize thehub with some tacs on the non nut side
Between the hub an axle drill and tap for Allenhead set screws as many as u can install as u go, this replaces the splines
Finish with a couple real welds in between tacs

A kicker for a dt 100 i got stripped, this one their is no need for welding. Just drill and tap in between the two stripped pieces again this time set the screw in then tighten as before my need shimming.
On this bike the kicker is aluminium, shaft steel to limit drill bit wander if doing this by hand; mount emery on flat hard surface, spin drill backwards against the emery on its side, u are dulling the whole side of the pilot drill this helps wander. Again u are only dulling the side if your drill bit' not any part of the tip

But finally anyone with a welder an foresight knows ONLY PUT A WELD WERE YOU! YES YOU CAN GRIND IT OUT