My 1982 200E Big Red

[kb0nly]

I will have to check out those Shorai batteries, expensive yes, but if they last longer than these damn flooded cell ATV batteries its worth it. I get a year maybe two out of a $50 battery, so it might be time to spend more. I have tried the sealed AGM batteries, i get about the same time out of them as well. The winter is rough on them.

[SUPERTEX]

Im not too sure i was reading up on all the weather conditions when we first started buying them but i think i saw that they handle the cold very well also, not a real big problem in South Florida tho it might get in the 40's or 50's once a year or less

[200bigredrebel]

looks like an awsome trike. congrats on the new ride.

[kb0nly]

My trike can see -40 so cold is definitely a factor. She did alright this past winter though I did have to pull start it with a low battery many times. Started keeping it plugged into a maintainer that helped some. These cheap batteries just lack on cranking amps.

[barnett468]

Hello SUPERTEX

LOL barnett funny stuff,

Isn’t that rocket story just “bleepin” hilarious. If your Chinese CDI melts down at least you’re on the ground.

and im sorry if i came across as angry iv just been so amazed by these battery's i had to explain it out,

It did seem a little bit that way to me, apology accepted, no worries. Unfortunately you may occasionally see some members bashing another for absolutely no reason here. Fortunately it's just a small handful that have nothing better to do or constructive to say.

i really do appreciate your info and input,

Thanks for the kind words.

the most important thing is the battery was my dads old one after he baught a new one getting rdy for his next race season and it was totally FREE too!!

Well the fact it still works is obviously a testament to the Chinese made thing and free is hard to beat. Too bad the parts on the rocket weren’t built to the same standards, lol.

I do understand that china is not the answer for anything really but sometimes they get it right thos damn carbs just work and work well, i mean much better then the factory ones iv tried rebuilding

Ok so here’s our list if good Chinese products so far:

Batteries
Carbs
CDI’s?
Fortune cookies.

That’s a start


Bad things:

Rocket parts, lol

And one more thing i live right on the edge of the everglades witch is the largest swamp basically in the US and its not uncommon to run a gator over or have one in your back yard from time to time. Real stuff ha ha ha

Oh yeah, I’ve been there, saw that, that’s why I said that, it’s nuts there!

[SUPERTEX]

LOL the parts list from china is awsome funny.

The only thing i cant seem to work on my 200e carb is the choke unless its just that way cuz fully choked its still really hard to get it to start cold, after iv had it running for a few mins the electric start will start it no problem, cold it will just run the battery dead before it cranks is there something im missing with these cold starts because even pull starting it is hard and im not talking about the compression, maybe i need to adjust the timing?

Any help on this cold start problem would be nice thanks!

[barnett468]

Hello SUPERTEX




Once warm does it burble upon acceleration just above idle?

Will it start at all with no choke?

How long must it remain partially choked before it idles?

How cold is the air when starting eng cold?

What color is plug ground strap, porcelain and end of threads?


Do test below first


Put some gas in clear glass, if it is apple juice color or darker it is bad and will cause your plug to look like that.

GAS LEVEL TEST – If your gas level is low in the float bowl then your carb will be lean. Install clear plastic tube on bowl drain, hold open end of tube level with top of carb and open bowl drain valve. The gas will flow into the tube. It should be from level to 3/16" below the bottom of the carb body where it meets the bowl. If it is incorrect then adjust float accordingly.



If level is good it's probably lean on pilot and nedfs around 2 sizes bigger.

[SUPERTEX]

Hello and thx Barnett here are a few i know off the bat

Once warm does it burble upon acceleration just above idle? No once warm it runs just fine.

Will it start at all with no choke? Choke doesn't seem to work at all or in some cases not allow it to fire over, and yes it does start with no choke but after some time of pull starting combined with the electric start.

How long must it remain partially choked before it idles? It doesn't seem like the choke works and i do have it hooked up right, i just hold down the throttle for a min or 2 and after the engines warm it will idle.

How cold is the air when starting eng cold? The air i haven't tested, but its summer in Florida and its pretty hot during the day.

And for the gas test ill do it but its brandnew rec gas with no ethanol in it, and i just washed the tank new fuel line and new carb.

[barnett468]

Hello


Ok should check plug but sounds very lean for start but close for running. If it was me I'd probably remove choke and make sure it is clean then if so try 2 sizes larger pilot. One will do nothing and 3 might make it burble when riding. I think you can actually drill the fuel hole in the choke 1 size larger on this carb and fix the prob. This way it's rich with choke for starting but pilot remains same so it won't burble during riding. I'll find out. Flyingw or txpowdercoat might know.

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Alright thanks and also i didn't say but i put the plug in last weekend too but it could look like anything now, a new plug doesn't mean much of anything.

And by pilot what do you mean, i haven't token the new carb apart yet so i don't really know on drilling the choke out but i will be looking into that, so what im getting is i can maybe leave the pilot alone and just drill out the choke a bit for it to work on a cold start and the pilot that came with the carb will run the machine just fine after that.

On my 250es carb drilling would be easy the whole assembly comes out the side but on my 200e its just a lever with a cable hooked to it you can either pull it up manually or attach a choke cable to it, it looks like all the choke stuff is inside the carb.

[barnett468]

pilot jet - small brass jet inside float bowl

drill choke - i'll find out asap.

if choke can be drilled pilot can remain the same.

[barnett468]

Ok had them mixed up. Yours can not be drilled it is connected to a plate in the carb bore. Do you know if this plate is still there and flat, not bent open when choke is closed.

If plate is good you will need to go up on pilot which makes no sense on a stock bike at 85 degrees. Maybe your pilot was previously changed to smaller jet.

[SUPERTEX]

Ok thanks again Barnett for any info its very help full, i hope it can that will make things easy as hell!!

[SUPERTEX]

Well damn no this is a new carb i bought it came out of a box and onto the trike, the only thing iv done to it is adjust the idle screw a few turns

[barnett468]

Well damn no this is a new carb i bought it came out of a box and onto the trike, the only thing iv done to it is adjust the idle screw a few turns

Well does this mean it does or does not have a butterfly?

Is this a new orig carb, that would be very pricey?