Everything that is wrong with people these days. Proud american workforce

[Gearheadtom]

Am I the only one that was focused on the red mark on her arm? Tattoo? Or self inflicted, crack induced, scratch marks?

[90guy]

My lord. What a POS! I am so sick of having to pay for people like that. And has absolutely no respect for her mother either. I'm thinking her mom should kick her out and have her live on the street.

[El Camexican]

God Bless America

[trike savior]

haha that was a good one EL. here is one of my favorites from when OBAMA first got elected

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

"not going to have to pay for rent or gas" ridiculous and sick of these types as well

don't get me wrong with all this, not a huge Obama fan. as I have said in other threads, the elections I have been old enough to vote in have been jokes, as South Park illustrated when the boys had to choose a new school mascot between a deuche and a "turd" sandwich. but during most recent re-election Romney really seemed evil and hated the lower-middle class.

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

we have supported those type of people for long before and after Obama care with medicaid. so for the rest of us being able to see a doctor for free (no copay at visit) and getting prescription for free would be nice. I cannot imagine the increase in taxes it would take, would be much different than what we are all paying to private insurance companies. it is my understanding the Canadian health system, though collected by the government is private? and the government just regulates the care standards which would be the scariest part in this country.

I have herd if you go to become a Canadian citizen you have to pay in a butload of money to become current like everyone else paying in to healthcare from the beginning.

if you really want to hear numbers that can make one angry: My mom just received her hospital bill for her recent stay in the hospital with cellulitis. $43,000 of which medi-CARE and insurance had to shell out $1200. the first time she had this was 2008, no insurance and not old enough for medi-care, roughly same bill she said, and she had to pay the entire $40k. THAT IS RIDICULOUSNESS. The racket these people are running is something else, not human, not ethical.

[86125m]

Man don't even get me started. It would be nice if the government paid for my trike obsession . But the reality is that you have to work for everything you have and you will feel better because you worked for it.

[El Camexican]

haha that was a good one EL. here is one of my favorites from when OBAMA first got elected

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

"not going to have to pay for rent or gas" ridiculous and sick of these types as well

don't get me wrong with all this, not a huge Obama fan. as I have said in other threads, the elections I have been old enough to vote in have been jokes, as South Park illustrated when the boys had to choose a new school mascot between a deuche and a "turd" sandwich. but during most recent re-election Romney really seemed evil and hated the lower-middle class.

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

we have supported those type of people for long before and after Obama care with medicaid. so for the rest of us being able to see a doctor for free (no copay at visit) and getting prescription for free would be nice. I cannot imagine the increase in taxes it would take, would be much different than what we are all paying to private insurance companies. it is my understanding the Canadian health system, though collected by the government is private? and the government just regulates the care standards which would be the scariest part in this country.

I have herd if you go to become a Canadian citizen you have to pay in a butload of money to become current like everyone else paying in to healthcare from the beginning.

if you really want to hear numbers that can make one angry: My mom just received her hospital bill for her recent stay in the hospital with cellulitis. $43,000 of which medi-CARE and insurance had to shell out $1200. the first time she had this was 2008, no insurance and not old enough for medi-care, roughly same bill she said, and she had to pay the entire $40k. THAT IS RIDICULOUSNESS. The racket these people are running is something else, not human, not ethical.

I read your post, but don't have time to respond right now, but be assured I will.

PS. Loved the video!

[Dirtcrasher]

Well, I've been running this apartment gig for 3 years now. Was 3 homes and 25 units overall. Had to sell 1 of 3 because 2006 and up hurt allot of us.

Took me a few adds in the paper to understand and look into there response to the question, "Where are you working or do you collect SSI or SSDI??"
Fast forward to today? and my latest add produced roughly 75% of 200 callers sit home all day for either "bi polar" or "stress" or " it hurts my hands to work, so I get disability each month on the 3rd" Most of them get roughly 800-1K a month; Who can live on that and be any sort of parent??

Maybe 10% of these need SSDI, like the girl who was nearly killed in an accident and has 2 lbs of titanium throughout her body, she also has seizures with a tiny window of, "maybe". SHE needs help or she's homeless.

The rest of them, in this lovely pro liberal state of Massachusetts, have no problem other than laziness or won't accept an 8.50$ an hour job. So, I wonder why this State and our government are broke.

Now that I've watched these clowns watch TV all day with no ambitions at all, I understand why things are so bad.

And I pay utilities so these people are not desirable.

75% GUYS!!!! Want SSI or SSDI and spend their days rolling cigarettes with pipe tobacco and watching TV; It's BAD and now in my face. Prior to this, I would have never known real close to a percentage....... But, now I DO!!!!

[Mr. Clean]

On my round trip drive to Austin TX around the turn of the new year to pick up an A+, I discovered a talk radio host named Michael Savage.

"Borders, language and culture"....and "Liberalism is a mental disorder"

I like for others to do their homework and research and not to be directed in any way, come to their own conclusions.....But I would suggest you look him up on your local AM radio or online.

I like his show, his message and what he has to say.

[Scootertrash]

yeah, big difference between O-care and people like this who will be on Medi-caid,

Really? I guess you were unaware that The Affordable Care Act expanded Medicade to individuals with incomes of up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (about $15,850), and that under the ACA, the government will initially pay 100 percent of the cost of expansion, though it eventually drops to 90 percent.

so thanks for cluttering my thread because you apparently hold some grudge against me and wanted to vent.

No grudge, but nice feeble attempt to make your self look like the victim (look everybody, he's picking on me). Just pointing out your double standards. I want my federal program that I don't have to pay for, but I don't want to pay for someone elses because people are cheating. Yup, they are. Just like every government program: The Welfare program in general, Food stamps, Medicare, Medicade, and soon, the ACA. If you think the ACA won't be defrauded and cheated like any other government program you are a fool.

shows how childish some are. I have no problem with people posting their thoughts and opinions, just do it in the right place. maybe we should call you mickey, calling you Barnett is a disgrace to him.

As childish as name calling when someone has a different opinion than you? Yea, you do have a problem when people have a different opinion than you, as evidenced in the cops/speeders thread when people (myself and others) pointed out your arrogant, selfish attitude. Let's recap, shant we?:
"Cops can't speed without their lights on, but I can and do speed whenever I want"
"Cops shouldn't be able to go the speed limit to catch people speeding"
"Cops should crack down more on driving violations" (As long as they don't engage in scenarios above)
"I speed, but I follow all the laws"

So evidently you are OK with other peoples thoughts and opinions, as long as they are the same as yours.

And feel free to call me whatever you wish. I've been called worse by far better.

oh and by the way, found out my healthcare plan got grandfathered in, so I can keep it forever, and my uncle thanks you.

Union guy are ya? Yup, you're grandfathered in, until enough people b!tch that whatever plan you have isn't fair (sound familiar?) to everyone else who was forced into The ACA, or they need your money to make the plan work, whichever comes first or both.

just read your post farther. and you are an even bigger _____ thinking because you went to the doctor at an earlier age would mean there would be no pre-existing conditions. how do you think that became such a BIG PROBLEM? because when they found something that was an expensive condition that will be with you for life, the insurance company would drop you. then when you go to find a new company the price increased and they would not cover that condition. apparently you have never been through it. and like to talk out your butt.

If you "read my post further" then your reading comprehension sucks. Apparently you failed to see the part of my post explaining that my wife has MS and what the medications alone cost, not including the hospital and specialists related expenses.

Hey Einstien, do you know why the price goes up? BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE TO PAY FOR YOUR CARE

[QUOTE=trike savior;1299803]"I know, I know, logic and rational thought and all that"-- total tool[/QUOTE

You are correct. Logic and rational thought are both excellent tools, if you know how to use them. You should try it sometime.

ETA: Just so everyone knows, although I'm sure the majority of you do, in no way do I support the opinions of Miss Piggy in the video. It's obvious why Kermit dumped her.

[Scootertrash]

So Trike Savior, I put this in a stand alone post. Answer this question:

If you are so impressed with O-Care and believe it helps your loved ones, why don't you voluntarily sign up instead of letting people who have no connection to your family and are not responsible for their medical problems foot the bill by themselves?

[El Camexican]

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

While I was not directly involved in the Canadian healthcare system, most of my family is, so I have some insight. This is what I recall.

- A visit to the family doctor is “free”… if you can find one that speakers English and hasn’t fled to the US
- If something is seriously wrong with you he will refer you to a specialist. The wait can be as much as six months
- Prescription meds are typically not covered, but you can pay for supplementary coverage out of your own pocket that will cover most if not all the costs. Some companies and most unions offer this. People on social assistance have options that those who work to pay their portion do not
- There are “private” clinics that charge the government for their time are pre-approved rates. However this is not a place where you would have anything more intrusive that a test or get a mole burnt off.
- Hospitals are owned and run by the provinces.
- Depending on bed availability you can wait as long as a year for an operation. My father waited eight months for his hip. Some people die waiting.
- If there are fees to get medical coverage for new comers I am unaware of it. My Mexican brother-in-law recently became a Canadian. He was granted medical privileges as soon as he moved there at no charge.
- I know of a person who migrated to Canada from Africa that had full blown AIDS and within a year of his arrival had a sex change operation performed at my expense shortly before he died.
- I know of aboriginal Canadians who mutilate their children in order to get an all-expense paid trip to the big city to go on a one week bender at my expense.
- I know pharmaceutical representatives who bribe doctors with trips and gifts in order to get them to prescribe their drugs and use their products
- I know of cancer patients who have been diagnosed as terminal and then treated with over $300,000 of experimental drugs. It did not save them, but it made the pharmaceutical company a lot of money and the doctor who used my cousin as a lab rat surely was rewarded.

These are not urban legends, I know the people who were directly involved in these examples. “Free” healthcare costs a lot more that private healthcare. It is rampant with corruption and abuse and the people who work to pay for it are usually the ones who end up at the back of the line, or without a bed.

Now I pay for my own. For my 83 year old Mother-in-law, my daughter, wife and myself (I also have a high risk activity policy) I pay about $11,000USD a year. If I take the mother-in-law out and drop the high risk policy it would be only about $4,500USD per year. When I get to the hospital I am treated like a king. No line, no waiting. I’ve never waited more than a few hours for a test result, MRI, operation, whatever. I am treated like a paying customer, not cattle like is the case in Canada.

My coverage is NOT unlimited. At some point the plug would get pulled if I got too expensive to keep alive. Is that fair? Hell no and neither is the rest of life. Why should someone with a terminal condition caused by lifestyle be kept alive at a cost that could treat hundreds of children with curable ailments? At some point life does have a value. We all have to die someday, If you work hard and can pay to extend that life by all means do so, but to see my hard working father crawl around the house on his hands and knees waiting for a hospital bed because they were filled with junkies, self-mutilators and other non-contributing members of society that HIS tax dollars were paying for made me sick.

As I said before, ya’ll will be getting a front row seat to it real soon.

[trike savior]

I agree with the expansion of the Medicaid program because as some have illustrated on this thread and I can say first hand, it is pretty hard to pay for health insurance for 1 person on 40k a year and still pay for everything else life requires. I cannot imagine trying to pay health insurance with half that income. I have friends on many of these government programs that actually need it because they work 2 minimum wage jobs and barely make ends meet. the issue here is not with the programs, because they are needed and help a lot of people, it is the pieces of trash that manipulate the system that I have issues with. it would cost these programs too much to investigate all the frauds so unfortunately they get away with it.

and this is the second time you dumped in one of my threads, along with a few other occasions of singling me out like the cop thread, so what do you expect me to think. I post my ideas popular or not without trampling others ideals. when you call me out that obviously is a different story. it is hard to communicate a complete idea in a thread short enough to keep the peanut gallery happy, without leaving some things out. most times you pull out a comment that you thought was funny, it can usually be attributed to bad proof reading than anything else. yes I should have said "I speed but obey every other rule of the road" but it would be pointless to change after you quote it. Cops can and should speed but I do not think it is ok with the lights off. if you want to talk about obeying rules / laws, they have them too and having the lights going when speeding is supposed to be standard procedure. And to clarify, 5-10 over limit is not speeding for cops or citizens. I was specifically talking about them doing 80-90 in a 55.

Anyways no one was forced to do anything with the affordable care act, you had the choice to not sign up and take the penalty, which this year is a lot cheaper than paying a years insurance. one nice thing about OBAMA care is the dropping and increasing premiums is over. with enough healthy people paying in we can continue to cover the sick at the same price, the core idea from the beginning.

the simple answer to your question in the second post you could have put in the first: it is cheaper to stay where I am at. yes logical, rational.

and just to show I do see the problems as well with O-care. everyone's premiums went up because the insurance companies feared they would not get enough healthy young people to sign up for healthcare. so the costs went up, instead of leaving them cheap and causing the companies to run the chance of operating at a loss and end up needing a bail-out down the road. now with the deadline here (and being extended more) they are saying they are surprised at the amount that have signed up. so now the insurance companies may actually be looking at some very good earnings numbers this year. does that mean they will lower everyone's premiums, no. so yeah, now they are publicly admitting to ripping off much of the public.

but as to my original post that got your panties in such a bunch, it helped my uncle and many other sick and elderly (not covered by medi-care) get the necessary help at an affordable price. I also said it is here and not going anywhere so I wish everyone would just get on board cause I was sick of hearing the whining. and now I have to hear you whine about receiving help with your wives medications that you did not ask for. really? yes, there have already been frauds by the government and will be more, but that is our government these days. it will take nothing short of a bloody revolution to change that. there will also be frauds and manipulators of the system but that is nothing new. Long term, this seems the best we could do. something had to be done because the old ways of our healthcare system were not working, and I herd no better ideas. It is a good thing that EVERYONE now has an incentive to have health care, even if young and healthy. if this was such a horrible thing they would not have made the sign up goal they thought was a long shot.

[czac]

I didn't watch the video but I know what you mean. There has been an ad on Craigslist in my area for months now with a girl begging for help. Says they have 5 kids and her and her husband are trying to get on disability, welfare and food stamps but they need more help. A couple months ago they wanted to trade their brand new washer and dryer for food. I really feel sorry for kids that are brought up this way because they often choose the same career path as the deadbeat parents.

I have responded several times wondering why they have money for internet but not for food.

well if they want help getting on Disability im sure something can be done to help them... broken legs, neck or back? remove an arm or a foot or two... whats her email?
lol

[czac]

I think Obama would have been better off doing something about the cost of the insurance so that it is affordable to those who cant afford it now. Do something about the cost of everything and anything in the medical field from med school to the cost of drugs. How in the heck did my mom and dad raise 5 kids with no med. ins? All off a Union steam fitters earnings! Now a single person with a great job can hardly afford ins. Something is wrong as hell with the current state of the ins industry.

[BleedRed]

I agree with the expansion of the Medicaid program because as some have illustrated on this thread and I can say first hand, it is pretty hard to pay for health insurance for 1 person on 40k a year and still pay for everything else life requires. I cannot imagine trying to pay health insurance with half that income. I have friends on many of these government programs that actually need it because they work 2 minimum wage jobs and barely make ends meet. the issue here is not with the programs, because they are needed and help a lot of people, it is the pieces of trash that manipulate the system that I have issues with. it would cost these programs too much to investigate all the frauds so unfortunately they get away with it.

and this is the second time you dumped in one of my threads, along with a few other occasions of singling me out like the cop thread, so what do you expect me to think. I post my ideas popular or not without trampling others ideals. when you call me out that obviously is a different story. it is hard to communicate a complete idea in a thread short enough to keep the peanut gallery happy, without leaving some things out. most times you pull out a comment that you thought was funny, it can usually be attributed to bad proof reading than anything else. yes I should have said "I speed but obey every other rule of the road" but it would be pointless to change after you quote it. Cops can and should speed but I do not think it is ok with the lights off. if you want to talk about obeying rules / laws, they have them too and having the lights going when speeding is supposed to be standard procedure. And to clarify, 5-10 over limit is not speeding for cops or citizens. I was specifically talking about them doing 80-90 in a 55.

Anyways no one was forced to do anything with the affordable care act, you had the choice to not sign up and take the penalty, which this year is a lot cheaper than paying a years insurance. one nice thing about OBAMA care is the dropping and increasing premiums is over. with enough healthy people paying in we can continue to cover the sick at the same price, the core idea from the beginning.

the simple answer to your question in the second post you could have put in the first: it is cheaper to stay where I am at. yes logical, rational.

and just to show I do see the problems as well with O-care. everyone's premiums went up because the insurance companies feared they would not get enough healthy young people to sign up for healthcare. so the costs went up, instead of leaving them cheap and causing the companies to run the chance of operating at a loss and end up needing a bail-out down the road. now with the deadline here (and being extended more) they are saying they are surprised at the amount that have signed up. so now the insurance companies may actually be looking at some very good earnings numbers this year. does that mean they will lower everyone's premiums, no. so yeah, now they are publicly admitting to ripping off much of the public.

but as to my original post that got your panties in such a bunch, it helped my uncle and many other sick and elderly (not covered by medi-care) get the necessary help at an affordable price. I also said it is here and not going anywhere so I wish everyone would just get on board cause I was sick of hearing the whining. and now I have to hear you whine about receiving help with your wives medications that you did not ask for. really? yes, there have already been frauds by the government and will be more, but that is our government these days. it will take nothing short of a bloody revolution to change that. there will also be frauds and manipulators of the system but that is nothing new. Long term, this seems the best we could do. something had to be done because the old ways of our healthcare system were not working, and I herd no better ideas. It is a good thing that EVERYONE now has an incentive to have health care, even if young and healthy. if this was such a horrible thing they would not have made the sign up goal they thought was a long shot.

Wasn't the one of the biggest reason people signed up is because they didn't want to get penalized? This year the penalty wasn't much, but give it a few years.

I hate to see people arguing about politics, especially on the internet lol. Work hard, play hard, help others and love your family, be a productive member to society. I can't even stomach the thought of ACA or numerous other things that are out of my control. But one thing I am in control of is me and I'm not going to cry and preech to you about something I have no control over and never will.