200es Big Red, big rim problems!

[barnett468]

more vids...xlnt.

[Mr_Gixxer]

hello;

post photos of the rims at the studs but with all but 1 of the nuts off. the nut is just to hold it on.

post photos of the rings.

Well, upon further inspection I noticed these rims that were advertised as fitting my ATC do NOT in fact fit at all. They may not be bent either but the design of these rims do not allow them to be mounted properly. For one, the hub rings don't even come close to fitting. I also noticed now that the center hole in the new rims are a LOT smaller than the stock rims. When these sit on the hub they contact the 4 raised portions on the hub itself not allowing them to seat all the way onto the lug studs and the hub. This leaves a gap between the contact surfaces of the hubs and the inside of the rims.

Here are some pictures and another video this time with a stock rim and tire...

New rim with one nut on as requested. Notice the size of the center hole...


Old rim...


The back side of the rim showing the gap created by wrong size center hole...


Picture of the rings I've been talking about...


Video comparing stock wheel and new wheel while spinning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCSvzPkxLtc

The link to the advertisement for the rims clearly stating they fit a 1984 Honda 200es Big Red. They do NOT! I doubt they fit anything at all honestly...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201061077351...84.m1439.l2649





Is anyone else running these rims? How in the heck did you get them to work for you because without different hubs other than stock I'm not seeing it.

[barnett468]

Hello;

Unfortunately the moderators do not allow me to view the photos the way you posted them because I'm "special". If you load them onto the site I can view them then.


Yeah Barn...you're "special" alright!

[DohcBikes]

What's the bolt pattern? They look to be universal or dual lug pattern

Im guessing there's probably a hub swap that would work

[Mr_Gixxer]

Hello;

Unfortunately the moderators do not allow me to view the photos the way you posted them because I'm "special". If you load them onto the site I can view them then.


Yeah Barn...you're "special" alright!

Does this help...
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/x...psf5d695fd.jpg

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps1acd3ee3.jpg

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/x...psc0975c9b.jpg

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/x...psd8299bb1.jpg

[Mr_Gixxer]

What's the bolt pattern? They look to be universal or dual lug pattern

Im guessing there's probably a hub swap that would work

Thought about this as well. These rims have a dual lug pattern, 4/150 and 4/130. Not sure what my options would be for either of those patterns. Plus they'd have to be 24 spline hubs too correct?

[barnett468]

Thought about this as well. These rims have a dual lug pattern, 4/150 and 4/130. Not sure what my options would be for either of those patterns. Plus they'd have to be 24 spline hubs too correct?

hello yes the spline count must match.

xlnyt photos.

is the hub tiuching the radius on the rin slightly?

is the wheel mounting surface of the hub totally flat?

why would the smaller center prevent it from sitting flush on the hub?

the hub would have to be raised slightly in the center to cause this.

[Mr_Gixxer]

hello yes the spline count must match.

xlnyt photos.

is the hub tiuching the radius on the rin slightly?

is the wheel mounting surface of the hub totally flat?

why would the smaller center prevent it from sitting flush on the hub?

the hub would have to be raised slightly in the center to cause this.

The hubs are smaller than the flat surface of the rims WITHOUT the rings in place. The rings are about a quarter inch wider than the flat mounting surface of the rims.

The hubs are not completely flat. If you look closely to my third video you can see the four raised portions of the hubs and where they stick out in relation to the flat mounting surface of the hubs. The bigger center hole allows the stock rims to align outside of this area of the hubs whereas the smaller center hole of the new rims do not. If you look at the photos attached to the eBay add you can see even there they fit like I describe.

[DohcBikes]

200s hubs might be the ticket. 4x130 for sure, raised center is smaller diameter too.
I have an extra pair here. Center hole would need to be 3-3/8 minimum diameter for the wheel to sit flush

[Mr_Gixxer]

200s hubs might be the ticket. 4x130 for sure, raised center is smaller diameter too.
I have an extra pair here.

I'm assuming they will match the axle splines on my 200es? What's the bolt pattern on the 200s hubs?

This may be just what the doctor ordered. I see they are flat on the mounting surface as opposed to the four raised portions on mine.

Edit. ..
Posted too soon

[DohcBikes]

as stated they are 4x130, and yes there are 4 raised bumps in the center, hole needs to be at least 3-3/8" diameter to accommodate. Looks to me like its bigger than that so thats good. 24 spline.

[Mr_Gixxer]

as stated they are 4x130, and yes there are 4 raised bumps in the center, hole needs to be at least 3-3/8" diameter to accommodate. 24 spline.

This would be great. If the inability to mount these new rims flush to my stock 200es hubs is what's causing the wobble, this would allow me to keep the rims and tires the way they are and it'll just be an easy hub swap.

No shipping the rims back, no mounting tires for the THIRD time now and I'll still be able to keep the wider footprint I was going for originally.

[DohcBikes]

Only thing youll have to watch for on the 200s hubs is if the studs are smaller than the stud holes, you might wanna use conical lugs so the wheel stays stud centric, because on most aftermarket wheels, the hole is not hub centric to the raised portions of the 200s hub, its usually bigger.

Measure the center hole. if bigger than 3-3/8 then pm me if you decide you want these. BTW, looks like 3-3/8 nearly dead on for the wheel to be hub centric. any less and its too small, any more, conical lugs are best.

[barnett468]

hello;

ok got it here's some additional options however you might have bent the rims by installing them without a proper spacer. the seller is still at fault because they obviously do not fit.

get spacer rings made from a machine shop.

get the center of the wheels enlarged.

go to a big chain auto store and look at thin wheel spacers you might find some the right id oir od. get the other dimension cut if necessary and drill your 4 holes.

all of these things are easy and simple where i am at least.

you might even be able to simply cut down the od of your stock spacers

[DohcBikes]

Stud centric means the wheel is located and centerd on the hub by the studs. Hub centric means located and centered on the hub by the center raised portion of the hub. you may already know this or i can explain further if i need to.

biggest issue here at this juncture center hole size.