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    200x spark problems

    I know there have been many threads on this but it's not really what's causing no spark but I can't figure out how to test all the components I have the ohm meter pictured below and I need to know what places the leads should be in and what setting it should be on to test the coil,pulse generator,spark advancer,and cdi? I also don't have a tail light or headlight would this cause any problems? I have spent all day on this and I have made no progress at all so any help would be greatly appreciated!!
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    95% of the time it's the stator , I probably change about 30 every year threw my shop .
    They can be bought on eBay for less than 10.00 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortline10 View Post
    95% of the time it's the stator , I probably change about 30 every year threw my shop .
    They can be bought on eBay for less than 10.00 .
    so do I need the primary stator coil or the actual stator itself?? do you have a link to one on ebay?? and how do I test it or is there no need?
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    ok I have been looking at it again and my readings with the multimeter are all over the place and I pulled the cover off and which coil do I need the larger one the smaller one or both??

    I can do anything mechanical but electrical drives me crazy!!
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    Smaller coil the large one is for lights . I don't even bother testing them anymore lol . When a 200cc Honda comes threw the shop with no spark it gets a new stator and like I said 95% of the time that's the problem and for less than 10.00 bucks .......
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    Ok I got my ignition coil and pulled off the side cover and the wire is soldered on so do I just cut that and re solder it on to my new ignition coil??
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    Yes it will need to be soldered .
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    Ok in this picture where do I solder it on the little bit of metal out the middle of the coil or near where the end of the coil??Click image for larger version. 

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    The middle tab is where you solder the wire-not the end like the OE. Make sure the wire is out of the way of the flywheel so it dont rub thru the wire.
    Previously Owned:
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    1983 ATC 185S (186cc)- HI COMP., BASSANI HEADER, REAR DISC BRAKE CONV., '86 200X HUBS, ALUM. RIMS, DIRT DEVILS
    1982 ATC 185S (224cc)- PK WELD-ON KIT, PK CLAMPS, PK EXHAUST, SL90 SHOCKS, OIL COOLER, PCCC RIMS
    1981 ATC 185S
    1984 ATC 250R
    1981 ATC 250R
    1983 ATC 110
    1969 HONDA MINI TRAIL 50


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    Ok I did that and I still have no spark and when I put a test like on the red and black wire and to the motor the light doesn't light up but then when I put it on the yellow wire to the motor the light lights
    Up!! What have I done wrong??
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    Should be fine now?.....did it run for you before & it just happened? -or did you just get this 200x this way? Disconnect all the wires from the switch and try again. Did you look over the wiring/plugs? Check coil wire end too. And try a new sparkplug- if you havent?
    Previously Owned:
    1985 ATC 250R (261cc)- 38MM PWK QV/AS, VFORCE3, RPM TIMING ADV., FULL DG EXH, CLARKE WHITE TANK, DOUGLAS RED LABELS, PRM NERF BARS, + ALUM. PARTS
    1983 ATC 185S (186cc)- HI COMP., BASSANI HEADER, REAR DISC BRAKE CONV., '86 200X HUBS, ALUM. RIMS, DIRT DEVILS
    1982 ATC 185S (224cc)- PK WELD-ON KIT, PK CLAMPS, PK EXHAUST, SL90 SHOCKS, OIL COOLER, PCCC RIMS
    1981 ATC 185S
    1984 ATC 250R
    1981 ATC 250R
    1983 ATC 110
    1969 HONDA MINI TRAIL 50


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    Quote Originally Posted by shortline10 View Post
    Smaller coil the large one is for lights . I don't even bother testing them anymore lol . When a 200cc Honda comes threw the shop with no spark it gets a new stator and like I said 95% of the time that's the problem and for less than 10.00 bucks .......
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/131152356031...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
    Mike- do you stick to those Emgo ones? I never had any of them cheap replacements work for too long???
    Previously Owned:
    1985 ATC 250R (261cc)- 38MM PWK QV/AS, VFORCE3, RPM TIMING ADV., FULL DG EXH, CLARKE WHITE TANK, DOUGLAS RED LABELS, PRM NERF BARS, + ALUM. PARTS
    1983 ATC 185S (186cc)- HI COMP., BASSANI HEADER, REAR DISC BRAKE CONV., '86 200X HUBS, ALUM. RIMS, DIRT DEVILS
    1982 ATC 185S (224cc)- PK WELD-ON KIT, PK CLAMPS, PK EXHAUST, SL90 SHOCKS, OIL COOLER, PCCC RIMS
    1981 ATC 185S
    1984 ATC 250R
    1981 ATC 250R
    1983 ATC 110
    1969 HONDA MINI TRAIL 50


    TRIKELESS

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    I got this bike off a guy that pulled it apart to restore but he never got the chance so it sat for 10 years until I got it I'm really starting to think its the CDI and let me tell you the wiring leaves much to be desired!! But I will go check it out tomorrow!!
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    changed the cdi and still no spark!! im starting to get pissed I have been through the wiring diagram a million times and it all seems decent i have tryed 4 different coils!!anyone have anymore ideas??
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    I know its electrical Jake but pictures would help. Flywheel, stator, advancer, cdi, ign coil, spark plug wire, spark plug. These are the things that make it spark. One of these things is not correct, not functioning properly or is incorrectly installed.

    Be sure to use the correct terms when discussing electrical issues. Earlier you referred to your stator as an ignition coil. This can get confusing and messy very quickly.

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