Quantum physics

[JesseA420]

JesseA420,,, you brought the heat with your first post. i was very, very impressed. fast ball down the middle. but I'm now skeptical. more on that later. but first, let me say that i've had some long boring hours lately and this thread has been a crutch for me. super interesting. i love the content. especially the science and the theories and the "what if's." mind blowing stuff. but i especially enjoy the juxtaposed old school religious angle. maybe a bit over the top sometimes, but mickey can take a punch. he keeps getting ed but sticks to his guns. if you read my earlier post, you'd see that i admittedly don't know where we come from. i don't know the meaning of life. i don't know who God is, or why we're here. i enjoy the bertrand russell quote about the wise and the foolish. i think it applies well here. now before any of you think i'm tossing bombs calling you guys fools, i'm not. i'm just saying i think science can be dangerous. todays facts will be laughed at tomorrow. i'll give you an example. i'm a fan of old books. not books written along time ago, but rather books that are themselves old. i have an old text book from the fifties. its called "Man and the Animal World." Quite a read. its so backwards its laughable. but, i always think how it must have been written smart guys. scientists. the top guys of the time. things that were "facts" in that book are not "facts" now. science has changed things. the "facts" have changed. the rate of intellectual development is exponential now. we learn faster. things change faster. it won't be long before future generations look back on us as dolts. our grandkids will laugh at us as simpletons. the more doors science opens, the more questions arise. theories spawn theories. new facts replace old facts. round and round we go. my question is, does anyone think that QP will answer the "why are we here" or "where did we come from"? does anyone think that it will get answered? like, someone will someday say, "huh, there it is. there is the answer. through this microscope i can prove the big bang and we were all monkeys and there was another shooter on the grassy knoll" i doubt it. my position is that we cannot know. we were not meant to know. additionally, in this short time we're here, knowing does not matter. does it? if we did know, would it change anything? would future generations believe us? or would knowing become laughable? a fairy tale, balked at and disproven by future science.

as for JesseA420,, are you one person? or a team effort? some things in your later posts don't add up. i'm skeptical.

not sure what u are skeptical about, i apologized for antagonizing, i just wanted to feel him out.
what do you mean by u think science is dangerous? i mean of course the things we believed to be true 50 years ago seem crazy now, that is due to the technological advancements growing exponentially in these past few years. it would not have been the case 500 years ago, as it could take that long just for information to reach someone. its a marvelous time we live in, with everything right at our fingertips. there has to be this progression, since these past findings all lead to the current findings, and the current findings will lead to the future findings.
will physics unlock the answers? they dont even know if it will or not. but that is why they are doing what they are doing. i just watched the documentary called Particle Fever this weekend on netflix. It explains the entire process from the creation of the large hadron collider, to the finding of the higgs boson particle, and what they are moving towards next. it was a fantastic watch for a layman to get the basics of what they are working towards and why they are working towards it. i cant recommend it enough. here is an article just published highlighting whats next for the collider also: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-Particle.html


i also watched "the secret", which is basically an hour and a half of phd's explaining how to be a positive person and lead a positive life.

as far as "ghostshunters", it is a reality show like every other reality show. of course they are not asking for compensation from the ones seeking ghost hunters, the television network bankrolls everything.
you say ghosts are real. but what is a ghost then? of course the phenomenon is real, but what is the phenomenon? i think the general consensus is that a ghost is a spirit that no longer has a meat suit to reside in? i cant really get behind that idea. when i theorize about "ghosts", it reminds me that how we perceive reality, is merely how our brains translate signals our eyes are sending it. everything is energy, and our eyes have only come to be able to see certain energies. All of the various lights waves, ultraviolet, infrared, color spectrum, x-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, sound waves, radio waves, EMF, radiation, etc, are "invisible" to us, but are all still there. imagine what it would be like if we could see all, or even one these existing energies. what a different reality we would exist in. heres an article about sound wave experiments, fascinating:
http://www.learning-mind.com/this-is...-see-it-video/

what if the "ghost phenomena" is just something else our crap eyes cannot collect signals of, for our brains to translate into what we view as reality? could some be living, breathing.... creatures just made up of energies our eyes cant collect signals of?
could it be just us (the collective consciousness), strumming on this strings of time trying to communicate the answers of the universe, from a 4th or 5th dimension where time is just a physical thing where every moment of every universe is a thing, and can be controlled and manipulated long after the finding of all the answers to all quantum theories?
with so many varieties in unseen phenomena, it could be both, plus an infinite amount of other things, we just dont know merely because it isnt something our minds can translate as part of our seen reality.
what do you guys think?

will we ever find the answers? i dont know. whether good or bad(relative to us), i hope so. im 100% team people. but with how exponential the learning curve has been over the past 200 years, the past 30 years, imagine what we will know 200 years from now. it gives me hope.

[fabiodriven]

Jesse that is a fantastic post man. I've had too much going on with work and home to be able to study as much as I'd like to be. I started this thread when I had some time off for Thanksgiving and since then the crunch has been on.

Particle Fever is an excellent watch, I've watched it a bunch of times. With almost all information on quantum physics I pick up, I have to read/watch it multiple times. I find that much of it I grasp but some of it needs to be digested more than once. I pick up a new thing every time I view this stuff, which I find great.

One thing that time has shown me is that many people lack the perception in general to even be able to understand your last post. Many people lack the ability to even imagine how many different angles of perception there are. Things that are unexplained or not understood, must be "supernatural" or "spiritual", as if there is no other explanation at all. I laugh at those who laugh at me for thinking that UFO's are real, yet they think fairy tales about magic are real. It's been so strongly drilled into their heads that UFO's don't exist yet god is real that people will dismiss that which they see with their own two eyes and go out of their way to make old fairy tales "factual". In my opinion, that train of thought is is the direct opposite of logical. Here is what I mean-

I have seen UFO's in real life with my own two eyes on more than one occasion. I have seen countless photos and videos of UFO's as well. I don't know what UFO's are, but I do know for fact that they exist as I have seen them more than once. Most people have. Your government wants to pretend they don't exist and would prefer you do the same, hence the public consensus that those who have had close encounters are crazy or liars. That's exactly what you are expected to think and that's what's been influenced unto us (you).

Neither I, nor you, nor anyone you know, has ever seen Jesus or god or Noah, nor has anyone any pictures or proof of any other form that these people ever existed, never mind performed all the "miracles" or whatever they did. It's asking a bit much in this day and age to ask for so much, so many rules, limits, do's and don'ts, and in many cases money and just as important, time, when there are so many other paths in life that could be explored without the hindrance of religion. I've said it before, science looks for answers and religion won't even ask questions. They just tell you what to think.

On the subject of life from other planets or more likely from what I've seen lately, other dimensions (laugh it up!), it's not just mathematically possible that there is other life out there, it's actually mathematically more likely than not there are other life forms out there. So we have video and photographic evidence, eyewitness accounts, my own personal experiences, a government who plays dumb (should be a huge red flag!), and science all in this corner. In the other corner we have, this old book. You must believe the book. You must believe the book. Say it with me. You must believe the book. Louder Mickey! You must believe the book! You must believe the book! YOU MUST BELIEVE THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!

[El Camexican]

When you stop and think about it religion, ghosts and UFO's all have something in common. We'd have a much, much better chance of understanding all three if there weren't so many idiots lying about their experiences with them.

[Mickey Dunlap]

You know it really is boring to hear people say the bible isn't true when the never set out to study the facts. There is so much info we have now I didn't know where to start. I challenge all you to study the facts about the bible then come back and tell me why you believe it's not true. https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...p-t-901-s&fp=1

[JesseA420]

http://bit.ly/1szwRgV

the ufo debate is one that i think will go on forever. from the government aspect, it makes complete sense to deny deny deny everything and anything, so as to do their best to keep the population under control. i had a "unidentified flying object" encounter last summer, but it doesnt fit into the flying saucer-ufo type sighting at all. more like a very VERY upclose encounter with what science has referred to as "ball lightning", except it did not occur in any of the same context as any of the descriptions of ball lightning i have read about. i was with another person and both my dogs, and they all 3 seen it, stopped dead in their tracks and were completely dumb founded. i still completely am left without any kind of rationalization, but i have found something that closely resembles it, which is the naga fireballs in Indonesia. it most closely resembled these, except it just came from the ground not out of water.

one aspect i find very interesting about ufo encounters is the abduction phenomena. generally, these occur while asleep, or while almost asleep in a semi-conscious to unconscious state. im sure everyone has heard the basics, your in your bed(comfortable cozy place), then you are shot out into some cold metal room where aliens prod you with utensils before you awake or return. this is also very traumatic for the "abductee"
from my experiences with meditation and subconscious exploration, your brain has stored everything your consciousness has encountered while here experiencing this reality. you do not forget anything, but simply lose connections to where those memories are stored.
while lucid dreaming or just perhaps having an overload of dmt release while sleeping, you can reconnect these lost connections to memories, and experience them with the same vivid clarity and senses stimulation like you really are there. i have, many many times.
now lets analyze what it would be like to be born. your cuddled up in your mothers woom all warm and safe. then all of a sudden you are blasted out into a cold, lit room full of beings with their hands all over you sticking devices into your holes in your face and head to clean out mucus and check for body temp. traumatic? very. also sounds just like what people refer to as being abducted dont you think.

lucid dreaming and astral projection are fascinating. i urge everyone to research and give it a shot. a background in meditation helps to understand and apply the ideas.

[El Camexican]

The truth about the Bible Mr. Dunlap is that it was written, edited and translated by the hands of flesh and blood humans. While I understand your type of Christianity (Born again) to be as closest to the teachings of Christ as there is, you have to keep in mind that there are literally billions of people who over the past 1,700 years have been oppressed, abused, murdered and tortured by those wielding the Bible and professing to be Christians.

These atrocities have been seen and experienced by humans that still live today. With all this going on you can't expect everyone to fall in line and become believers because you tell them to. As I have always said; the 10 commandments are a perfect way to live... until one person breaks one of them and the rest of us are forced to do the same in order to survive amongst them.

[Mickey Dunlap]

The truth about the Bible Mr. Dunlap is that it was written, edited and translated by the hands of flesh and blood humans And " inspired by the wholly spirit" . While I understand your type of Christianity (Born again) to be as closest to the teachings of Christ as there is, you have to keep in mind that there are literally billions of people who over the past 1,700 years have been oppressed, abused, murdered and tortured by those wielding the Bible and professing to be Christians.

These atrocities have been seen and experienced by humans that still live today. With all this going on you can't expect everyone to fall in line and become believers because you tell them to. As I have always said; the 10 commandments are a perfect way to live... until one person breaks one of them and the rest of us are forced to do the same in order to survive amongst them.

Yes there has been sufferings by people who stand for what they believe, heck I go through it on here, so what, if you don't stand up for what you believe, what do you stand for, nothing!

The only thing the 10 Commandments where given by God was to show the people that you can't live up to them, no one can apart from God.

This in the kind of nonsense I'm talking about, no one has study, they just have opinions with out facts. You don't have to do anything. You can just sit back and rattle off what ever you want, but if you want to debate something learn the facts first.

Like I said I challenge you to study the topic before giving us what you think without knowing what you are talking about. If you want IMO one of the best books to read these day get http://www.amazon.com/The-Evidence-T.../dp/0785242198

I'll bet none of you will take the time to read it!

[JesseA420]

FFS....

http://genius.com/Sturgill-simpson-t...ay-down-lyrics
there is also a play button at the top

[El Camexican]

" inspired by the wholly spirit"

I think it's spelt the holy spirit, but regardless that right there is where it gets hard to separate the fly sh*t from the pepper. You can't keep a straight face and tell me God intended for women to be treated like crap, that slaves should not try to escape their masters, or that Jews are the chosen people. That was put in the Bible by men motivated by personal interests, not the holy spirit.

As much as I'd like to have the time to read the entire Bible cover to cover I belief my soul would be better nourished in a shorter time by watching Monty Pythons "Meaning of Life"

[Scootertrash]

Now I'm hungry for a spam sammich. :I

[ironchop]

Now I'm hungry for a spam sammich. :I

Hey Scooter....true story.....When I was putting back some emergency food stores I made up in some buckets last week, I made sure to put plenty of two important foodstuffs:

1) Several cans of Dinty Moore Beef Stew (which my wife makes into a mean stroganoff)

2) about a case worth of SPAM!!! (which pissed my wife off because she hates the stuff)( I love SPAM)

SPAM is the official zombie apocalypse fuel for Manly Men

[JesseA420]

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/12/...igins-lie.html

i love this article. take in those numbers very carefully. hundreds of millions. how does this make you guys feel?

[JesseA420]

[JesseA420]

another idea to ponder while your posted up on the er if u fancy a read lol.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the...lligent-robots

[fabiodriven]

another idea to ponder while your posted up on the er if u fancy a read lol.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the...lligent-robots

That is an excellent read Jesse and thank you for posting it. If I imagine that theory to be true, it really answers a lot of questions for me. This is why I stated earlier in this thread that I like to gather knowledge and watch a theory evolve.

I have a theory I've hatched a long time ago and I've never uttered it to anyone, ever. I'm not sure I ever will so I'm not making any promises here. I like to learn things and watch a theory change or evolve with new information.

Based on what I just read I can imagine exactly what human beings would be in the scenario presented in that article. It's my own personal theory, but my theory would make so much sense if advanced civilizations were in fact artificial life.