A very eye opening documentary

[ironchop]

.... i`m afraid they might call my employer and tell them i might want to smoke pot !!!....

My employer already knows.....and he doesn`t care. Saves them money on whizz quiz`s because I already told the honest truth UP FRONT. No need to confirm what you already know.

[fabiodriven]

Dan I'm very glad you watched this and I appreciate your views and replies.

Glamy's last post is gospel to me, straight on, and I thank you very much for posting Glamy.

Dan in an attempt to explain some things it appears you may be missing, not an attempt to sway you, I feel as though part of your mind is still stuck with the prohibition. The efforts, the time, the money this country has spent in the prohibition of this plant did not go to waste. They have drilled into people's heads this stigma, as Glamy says, that there is something inherently sinister about this plant. I can assure you if it's something you are into it is completely harmless. If you happen to find it harmful, that's fine. Don't use it. But to be truly open minded and view what it is that video is showing you requires one to let go of what has been drilled into their minds since birth, which is that marijuana is a bad thing, which is wrong. They proved to you in the video who attached this stigma and why, when it started and who benefits from it, and why they fight so hard and INVEST in keeping this stigma attached and this plant illegal.

You don't want to take Artists such as Snoop Dog and B Real for their word on this subject? On the subject of marijuana? I listen to Snoop and Cypress Hill in moderation, but even if I didn't they, as well as the other artists you named, are at the pinnacle of their profession which is a very, very hard position to ascertain. They have all dealt with marijuana and consumed it in vast quantities over your experience and they are a voice of the people. If you choose not to partake in the art they express that's up to you, but you are not going to dismiss who these people are and why they were interviewed. As Glamy stated, THERE WERE PLENTY OF PROFESSORS AND SCIENTISTS PRESENTED WHO SHARED THEIR OPINIONS AS WELL. I want to ask you Dan, why it is you chose to ignore the fact that so many people with such high credentials were omitted from your review when the three "thugs" were your focus? And what is it any of them have done to deserve such a negative undertone? Do you have any idea how much Snoop Dog participates in his community? These are all very serious questions I'd like to add. This stigma and agenda is pushed so hard and has been so solid for so long, it seems people such as yourself might never rid your minds of this propaganda that has been fed you. You're smarter than that Dan, I know that for a fact.

The reason why the video may have appeared to be slanted to you Dan, is because it is. The truth in this case is so overwhelmingly evident, obvious, and unarguable that there isn't anyone to argue! They showed you clearly anyone who attempted to make a point, IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, people from the tops of their fields against this plant, those with the "A game", those who have access to any and all information as to why this plant is so hazardous and could bring the best counter-argument possible to the table, and you saw the same thing I did bud. You saw them cower, you saw them crumble, you saw them stutter, and the video explained why that is. Because those people, amongst many, many other corrupt, greedy crooks, STAND TO LOSE EVERYTHING THEY WORK FOR WHICH IS ALL A FALSEHOOD AND WILL LIE TO THEMSELVES AND THE PUBLIC IN ORDER TO BENEFIT FROM THIS PROHIBITION. Pardon my tone, haha. I just want to make sure this is understood. I don't know about you Dan, but I cannot stand liars. When someone lies to me it goes right up my arse sideways. You sat there and watched the opposition just as I did, and you watched them lie to themselves, us, and everyone in that room. It was plain as day and you even referred to it as "laughable", which you were completely correct about. It is utterly laughable that anyone would continue to propagate such lies in their own name while the entire rest of the country laughs at them. That's what these people get the big bucks for, to keep us "users" in check. What's laughable is them keeping us in check. You want to sit down and see the difference between what "legal" drugs will do to you and what marijuana will do we can sit down any day. Take a look at my posts from two years ago and look at me now. I'll tell ya all the dirt and you know it's all true because you know I don't lie. I don't know what more proof people need than what it is they should be able to see with their own two eyes. If I made an appearance on the news and told you the same thing would you understand me then?

The people who sell the pills, Pepsi, and Doritos are not out to kill you. This is a true statement. However, they are out to make you sick and addicted to drugs AND their Pepsi and Doritos, which will all kill you. They'd like to keep you around as long as they can to consume their products, but they do not want you healthy. Healthy people such as myself do not consume their products which means they don't get any money from me which means I may as well be dead to them. These are the evil companies Dan! The "legit" drug companies and the companies that feed you all this shite food! This is not propaganda, this is fact! It's known, it's proven! But it's OK? Why? Because they have commercials and just about everyone you know uses these things? Is that what makes it OK to consume things that alter your reality in a negative way, make you a disgusting person physically, and shorten your life on this planet? Those things are OK but a plant that has ZERO NEGATIVE EFFECTS is not OK? Not only does this plant have no negative side effects it also has MEDICAL BENEFITS! So, not only is it NOT a negative, it is actually a POSITIVE substance! But it's not OK? Because....? of the stigma? Which everyone has been fed? Which is bullshit?

I'll take you out Friday Danny boy. I'll smoke a joint (not that I would ever condone such immoral activities) for every drink of legal alcohol you have and we'll go all night and let's watch what happens. I'll pay for everything, you just gotta show up hun.

[ironchop]

Yeah i know......so whats your view on the subject ? No disrespect but if i wanted to hear self promotion i`d go on facefack or twatter .

Lay off the Haterade, cupcake. Not everyone is your enemy. Makes you look weak.

to answer your question and state the already obvious, I don`t agree with any more intrusion into my life and especially by a bunch of socially retarded and out-of-touch "representatives" covering for what has become nothing more than revenue generation for The Machine. The documentary just reinforces everything I already feel.

around here, law enforcement spends almost ALL it`s resources on marijuana "eradication" while they rely on the "stumble upon" method of meth "eradication. To our local boys in blue, Pot is like dollar signs. People who get busted growing, smoking, holding, selling weed will pay thru the nose to get out of trouble just like a drunk driver. Money is what they are after ultimately. Public safety isn`t the goal.

Prohibition NEVER works......after almost a hundred years of failed drug prohibition and failed alcohol Prohibition, our "leaders" can`t be this stupid or narrow-minded at this point. Every time I hear the word "ban", I just automatically assume the person speaking that word is pretty much ignorant or maybe just incapable of thinking outside the hamster wheel. If humans are willing to break the law then what? Mandatory minimums? Take away your voting rights? Keep you from purchasing guns? Been there tried that.

As long as people still think that the way to shape human behavior is to ban the behavior, we haven't learned a thing. All the things that addicts do that is considered bad behavior is already illegal. Murder, rape, theft, fraud, burglary. There are already laws in place to protect folks from the bad behavior that comes from some drug and alcohol abusers. Banning drugs or alcohol in order to keep people from robbing, raping, and murdering is like walking into your childs room, taking all is toys away, and line the walls with eggshell foam so that he doesn`t hit his sister over the head with a Tonka truck or trip over a Lego sculpture and bust his nose. You are trying to teach your child to stop hitting his sister and to keep his stuff picked up. Taking away his stuff because he can`t be trusted doesn`t teach him self-control or personal responsibility at all. It teaches you that you can`t be expected to be responsible for your own actions and that`s why there are people out there who will come and save you from disaster

[ironchop]

. Did you watch the doc ?

yup. took me a couple sittings due to bad wifi at the house but I couldn`t find it on Netflix at seester`s house so I watched it on Disclose TV (a personal favorite site) for free.

I had seen Graham Hancock`s War on Consciousness speech he did for TEDX that they pulled and wouldn`t air and I really didn`t realize how far anti-pot folks were willing to go to keep prohibition in place and just how deep the pot hatred ran until then. I lost all respect for Ted Talks after that. Unbiased my ass.

[atc007]

I tried 10 minutes on disclose,, no dice, I think it's a Google chrome thing.. Will look on netflix sometime.

[ironchop]

here`s some relevant Hancock:

https://youtu.be/-b6-0yW7Iaw

[fabiodriven]

As you were boys. Doug that is absolutely fantastic and a great addition to this thread. I'd say watching what Doug has posted is just about equal in importance to watch. Roll with it!

Dan I was in deep thought about our most recent posts while at the gym and there were a couple of things that went through my mind. First of all, the opposition was in the video. They were the very people you were laughing at. Were you expecting an opposition that had firm ground to stand on? Or is that the kind of opposition you would like to see? If you or anyone else would like to post something by the opposition that shows they have any firm ground to stand on, by all means. Any good points, any evidence, anything at all.

There is a screen in most people's minds that they've allowed to be installed and it seems to allow certain information in and blocks anything to the contrary. When you have an unjust prohibition of a plant such as this case, you immediately associate all of the law breaking people dealing with this plant. There are so many of them, such bad people making such poor decisions, correct? They're incarcerated or on house arrest or just getting PC-ed and paying fines, you see it all the time. Now remove that screen from your head. If your own mind will allow you, try to wrap the thought of the possibility of that law being wrong and unjust, not the substance the law is about. You see, I, as well as many like minded people all over the planet, are of the belief that the law is wrong, not the plant in question. So if you can suspend disbelief and realize for a moment that the law is what is incorrect and not the plant, then why are all of these people in trouble that deal with this plant? They are in trouble because of an unjust law, not their actions due to their usage of the plant.

The most common drug found at murder scenes- alcohol.

Scores of people killed by drunk drivers every day.

Millions suffering from alcoholism and killing themselves while making those around them suffer.

I don't feel I need to continue this list because everyone reading this knows we could start an entirely new thread based on that subject. When was the last time there was a big murder scene by people in a "pot rage"? I'm not talking about people forced to operate outside of an unjust law to buy/sell the plant itself, I'm talking about stoners that hit the gravity bong too many times and starting killing each other, or anyone else really?

Toking and driving deaths? Big pot smoking pileups?

Just being injured or killed by the substance in general? Pot doesn't harm the human body so that's null and void. Even the smoke itself isn't nearly as bad for people as most seem to think.

So is the plant really that dangerous? Do those who deal in it deserve to be locked away from society or persecuted for their actions? What are the actions, aside from breaking an unjust law, that need addressing in such a dire fashion? What is it that these people are doing that is so wrong?

When people stop asking if a law or if rules are unfair or unjust they are defeated. They are slaves to the machine. How much respect does a person get who goes with the flow all the time and does every little thing they're told? Why does someone who moves the right way against the grain gain respect? Because they deserve it, that's why. It takes leaders and those willing to stand up and say something is wrong instead of playing along with someone else's game.

[ironchop]

Besides the marijuana issues, the documentary morphs into a 'Bigger Picture' type discussion after the first hour so for those who disagree on Weed, there`s a lot more to the film than justifying recreational use of this substance. Really it`s much bigger than the subject of weed legalization. The War on Drugs is exposed as a tool for huge profits and for justifying a more controlling yet out-of-control police state which is something BOTH sides of the aisle agree on not to mention an expose' on media tomfoolery for profit so that maybe people can understand just how and why the message gets so twisted, hidden form view, or made up out of thin air.

There`s just a lot more to it than weed

The part with that 7yr old addicted to Benzos while cannabis oil was the only proven treatment was heartbreaking to watch. I don`t get choked up too easy but I felt ashamed that such simple and natural treatments are being ignored in favor of the Pharma profits.....and Corporate Corrections? WTF is all I can say.

Honestly this film has so many subtopics that we could discuss its almost too much for one thread....we should still try though. hahaha

[redsox]

WOW. I had to go back and read my own post, because i thought i was in the twilight zone. I don't know how i became the opposition here.

my first line - "watched it. thought it was really good." Maybe you missed that.

I feel as though part of your mind is still stuck with the prohibition. The efforts, the time, the money this country has spent in the prohibition of this plant did not go to waste. They have drilled into people's heads this stigma, as Glamy says, that there is something inherently sinister about this plant. I can assure you if it's something you are into it is completely harmless.

maybe you missed this also "For the record, I'm 100% for open market legalization."

You don't want to take Artists such as Snoop Dog and B Real for their word on this subject? On the subject of marijuana? I listen to Snoop and Cypress Hill in moderation, but even if I didn't they, as well as the other artists you named, are at the pinnacle of their profession which is a very, very hard position to ascertain. They have all dealt with marijuana and consumed it in vast quantities over your experience and they are a voice of the people. If you choose not to partake in the art they express that's up to you, but you are not going to dismiss who these people are and why they were interviewed..

I've seen cypress hill in concert twice. I have two snoop cd's. (ya, CD's,) What difference does that make, and what does it have to do with my point? I didnt disrespect them as artists. I didnt criticize their craft. I certainly didn't disagree with what they said, or their point of view. If you read what I wrote, you'd know that I said that the documentary would be taken more seriously if they didnt rely so heavily on rappers. You don't think thats a valid assessment? When was the D O double G last published in the New England Journal of Medicine? I'm not dumpin on them. Theyre rappers. Not scholars. (more to come on the scholars) Why so many rappers in this documantary? Why not a rapper, a truck driver, a basketball player, a fisherman, a banker,,,,etc,etc...?

As Glamy stated, THERE WERE PLENTY OF PROFESSORS AND SCIENTISTS PRESENTED WHO SHARED THEIR OPINIONS AS WELL. I want to ask you Dan, why it is you chose to ignore the fact that so many people with such high credentials were omitted from your review when the three "thugs" were your focus? And what is it any of them have done to deserve such a negative undertone? Do you have any idea how much Snoop Dog participates in his community? These are all very serious questions I'd like to add. This stigma and agenda is pushed so hard and has been so solid for so long, it seems people such as yourself might never rid your minds of this propaganda that has been fed you. You're smarter than that Dan, I know that for a fact...

True, i am wicked smaht. But slow the hate. I liked the scientists and scholars. I LIKED THE DAMN MOVIE!! They were ommited in my review because i pointed out what i didnt like, not what i did like. From the tone of your opening post, I assumed you wanted critical thinking. Thats what you got. I noticed quotation marks around the word thugs. Who'd you quote, John? Not me, I hope. My point, for the sake of clarity, is get rid of the rappers, add some respectible decenting opinion, and your point is more well made. Are you telling me that the makers of this film couldnt find one medical doctor to warn against children using marijuana??? They wanted star-power. When I debate, (if i'm right,) i hope my oponent brings their A-Game. Thats how the truth is reached. I stand on the truth and let it speak for itself.

The reason why the video may have appeared to be slanted to you Dan, is because it is. The truth in this case is so overwhelmingly evident, obvious, and unarguable that there isn't anyone to argue! They showed you clearly anyone who attempted to make a point, IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, people from the tops of their fields against this plant, those with the "A game", those who have access to any and all information as to why this plant is so hazardous and could bring the best counter-argument possible to the table, and you saw the same thing I did bud. You saw them cower, you saw them crumble, you saw them stutter, and the video explained why that is....

Ask yourself this, John. Were the clips of those in the decenting opinion the best the prohibition movement had to offer, or the clips that made them look as bad as possible? If the argument is valid (and i think your argument is) then why not fight the best opponent?

In closing,and for the sake of brevity, I also detest liars. Prescription drugs are often a curse. Politics and Law Enforcement don't mix. I don't know if I understand the definition of "an evil company". You smoke and I drink? I'd be a little more inclined to take you up on the offer before you dropped the "hun." I'll let it slide, but i draw the line at a knee-rub. It didnt fly as an altar boy and i'll be damned if i change course now. I think your looking to argue with someone. I ain't the guy. Not because i dont like to argue, but because i don't disagree with you. Unless your argument is that the movie was perfect. Then, i guess i do disagree.

Glamy, if i don't get a rando song quote out of you then i'm losing my touch.

[fabiodriven]

Dan, you are mistaking my passion for an attack. For this I apologize and I can see why you would take it that way, but I assure I am not against you. I read every word you wrote and again I will thank you. I am going to adjust my tone but please don't take my intent as an attack on you.

My frustration stems from most people's inability to see through the screen that has been put in front of our eyes. This frustrates me especially with someone such as yourself as I could tell the first time we hung out that your head is on right. You don't see that every day. I will attempt to now show you what it is I mean without sounding as if you were my opposition.

If you read what I wrote, you'd know that I said that the documentary would be taken more seriously if they didnt rely so heavily on rappers. You don't think thats a valid assessment? When was the D O double G last published in the New England Journal of Medicine? I'm not dumpin on them. Theyre rappers. Not scholars. (more to come on the scholars) Why so many rappers in this documantary? Why not a rapper, a truck driver, a basketball player, a fisherman, a banker,,,,etc,etc...?

Snoop doesn't need to be published in any medical journals to have experience and an opinion. He is a celebrity and a voice for many people. There are rappers in the video as well as scholars, quite a few scholars, and everyone in between. That's the point. It's something everyone has in common. I don't need to tell you that people from all walks of life use marijuana. You could ask people in real life all day, they don't have to be in a movie. They already know it, as do I, as do you. It's discussed fairly openly for the most part. I don't hide my feelings most times, but sometimes unfortunately I have to. If you still don't understand why Snoop and Cypress Hill would be in a movie dealing with this subject I don't know what to tell you, lol.

True, i am wicked smaht. But slow the hate. I liked the scientists and scholars. I LIKED THE DAMN MOVIE!! They were ommited in my review because i pointed out what i didnt like, not what i did like. From the tone of your opening post, I assumed you wanted critical thinking. Thats what you got. I noticed quotation marks around the word thugs. Who'd you quote, John? Not me, I hope. My point, for the sake of clarity, is get rid of the rappers, add some respectible decenting opinion, and your point is more well made. Are you telling me that the makers of this film couldnt find one medical doctor to warn against children using marijuana??? They wanted star-power. When I debate, (if i'm right,) i hope my oponent brings their A-Game. Thats how the truth is reached. I stand on the truth and let it speak for itself.

Dan there is no hate here at all. I hate nobody and nothing, particularly not you my friend. What I find frustrating, again, is that the first thing many people see when given this information is a reason to dismiss or to degrade rather than listening to the words of some very smart men and women who are flat out teaching the recent findings of what this plant can, will, won't, and can't do. Why is it so much easier for people to say "well it woulda been better if" or find some reason not to be amazed by what recent studies of this plant have shown?

Dan again I'm sorry my points came across strong, they did. Don't get all bent about the "hun" thing, lol. I've been saying that more often for a chuckle but obviously you didn't know that.

[ironchop]

LMAO.... "True, I am wicked smaht" .......I busted a testicle laughing when I read this, Redsox. Bravo and a tip of muh hat to you, sir.

[ironchop]

the documentary would be taken more seriously if they didnt rely so heavily on rappers. You don't think thats a valid assessment? When was the D O double G last published in the New England Journal of Medicine? I'm not dumpin on them. Theyre rappers. Not scholars. (more to come on the scholars) Why so many rappers in this documantary? Why not a rapper, a truck driver, a basketball player, a fisherman, a banker,,,,etc,etc...?.

I agree with this statement.....Credibility is the only way to get people to open their ears. Rappers offer a cool cred but the Street already knows the secret about weed. It`s the folks who don`t know that being stoned doesn't make you mental or a murderer or a rapist who have to be convinced to give a moment of their time and be open to some education

When was the D O double G last published in the New England Journal of Medicine?...

your post is full of gems......this one should be your new signature

[fabiodriven]

Yup that ranting was directed too much towards you Dan, again I apologize. That wasn't my intention. This is an issue I'd like to be able to tackle on a higher plateau at some point and a little debating hones the skills and causes knowledge. It teaches. In this case I'm learning how better to convey my message unfortunately by offending you. It's surprising to me because I've been pretty much zen-like lately.

[redsox]

i think people are on board with the movement, John. More than i ever thought i'd see in my lifetime. Let not your heart be troubled, my friend. The sticky-icky will be widely available, legally, very soon. But, be warned. That shizz will come from a corporation. The rich will control it. The government will profit from it. That is the way of things. The magic of the internet ain't changing that. Someday you'll look back fondly on the days when you grabbed a lil' bit from a trusted confidant. Not just like a trip to the packy.

Chop,, thanks for the support. Also, its true, ask around.

[fabiodriven]

Well there was some really good stuff in here but I feel as though I've ruined the point so I'm going to delete. You guys can read it for tonight I guess, haha. Learning and evolving...