California's "Black Balls"

[fabiodriven]

That's quite the flip-flop Scooter. You should consider a career in politics. I'll slap your silly post with an iceberg of facts when I have time bud.

[Scootertrash]

Flip-Flop? In my post or because I removed my "like"? I had removed my "thanks", but I can thank you for your post even if I don't agree with all of it, and since I can't "like" just part of your post, well....

I agreed with most of the last portion of your post:

[QUOTE=fabiodriven;1382897]
"Man built where the environment is hostile, where mother nature suggested not doing so." "the truth is man created this problem and mother nature is not going to be bargained with." [QUOTE]

Mother Nature wins. Always. Even Parkay knew you can't fool Mother Nature.

There's nothing silly about my post, since when is common sense silly?

The atmosphere and climate have never been "stable" and never will be. All it takes is a look at the record highs and record lows in the weather forecasts, as well as any other "record" weather event.

An "iceberg" of facts like this one with stranded polar bears on it?



Eye opening article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lting-ice.html

No disrespect intended, but save us both the time of going thru another "debate" and save your facts.

I've done TONS of reading on both sides of the global warming, errr climate change, or whatever they're calling it now, and MY verdict is in: There's a bunch of money being made by those who promote globa, I mean climate change. If you can purchase "carbon offsets" and keep polluting, it must not be too serious, or is that just another "Inconvenient Truth".

We need to be good stewards of our planet. But if the population keeps growing, something eventually has to give. It'll continue to be a few trees here and a critter there, but eventually Mother Nature will win.

[fabiodriven]

Scooter, lower your arms please. I've enjoyed debating with you in the past, no need to argue. Learning is fun, and I'll spare you nothing. You should be grateful.

Yes, apparently they're dealing with trout in California, but the issue of which I was referencing has to do with our entire country. The artificial damming of just about every flowing stretch of water in this country has thrown Salmon, as I said, amongst a variety of other kinds of fish, completely out of whack. When you have such a drastic effect on one species, there will be many behind that are affected as well. You can read up on that if you choose or you can watch this documentary- http://damnationfilm.com/

Stanford scientists did a study on whether or not this most recent drought in California is indeed being effected by the action of man, and they have concluded that man has most likely caused this problem. They are not able to prove this for certain at this time, but they feel as though this is indeed caused by man. If you disagree with man being a disease, that's your will. I look around at all of us, myself included, all constantly burning fuel which kills the planet not only by burning it but even just by taking it out of the ground. If you're not familiar with the effects fracking has then I'd suggest you read up. The amount of trash we produce, so many things we all do and enjoy every day have an adverse effect on this planet, and you scoff at the idea that the planet may be having technical difficulties after a century plus of abuse? I'm guessing you're aware of the effect all the nuclear weapons that have ever been discharged, which is a huge amount, have had on this planet. If this is something any of you have never taken into account it is a very startling and disturbing subject to learn about. Think of this planet as a being and we are mites on its hide. We suck it's blood and expel poison gas all day every day. Then the nukes on top of all that. We are killing our host, our ride. It's like lighting a rag on fire in your gas filler neck and then getting in the car and driving away. The planet can not take it and incidents such as these are going to become more common.

Obviously you're aware of the ice caps melting, yet you say the earth will be here forever. I don't understand if you're aware of what's going on with the ice caps how you can think this planet is going to be here for much longer. I appreciate your optimism but based on the hurt we're putting on this planet I don't see it lasting all that much longer.

[fabiodriven]

Doug has a point about HAARP. I was up on that a few years ago. I remember Jesse Ventura talking a lot about HAARP on the Howard Stern show and also on his own show that he had briefly. I just had to catch myself up on that subject because it's been a while and these days it seems pretty conclusive that man is definitely controlling the weather with this machine. It doesn't even seem like a conspiracy anymore, it's pretty much out in the open that they're operating these things. Certainly something to take into consideration.

[Scootertrash]

Scooter, lower your arms please. Learning is fun, and I'll spare you nothing. You should be grateful.

This is exactly why I have no desire to "debate" you. Right out of the gate you are attempting to discredit me as overly defensive and uneducated compared to you.

Stanford scientists did a study on whether or not this most recent drought in California is indeed being effected by the action of man, and they have concluded that man has most likely caused this problem.

Stanford? I'm quite sure they don't have an agenda Like government funded studies and government provided "disaster" aid.

Obviously you're aware of the ice caps melting, yet you say the earth will be here forever. I don't understand if you're aware of what's going on with the ice caps how you can think this planet is going to be here for much longer. I appreciate your optimism but based on the hurt we're putting on this planet I don't see it lasting all that much longer.

Ice caps?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-29-year.html

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/e...eories-implode

HAARP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_F...search_Program

Stanford University professor Umran Inan told Popular Science that weather-control conspiracy theories were "completely uninformed," explaining that "there’s absolutely nothing we can do to disturb the Earth’s [weather] systems.

[Scootertrash]

Yes, humans are changing the climate ....on purpose....as part of an experiment.....HAARP...."cloud seeding"......these are the publicly admitted experiments are currently and have been conducting for over four decades now. There are seven such machines globally counting the two USA has, one in AK and one off Baja Cali iirc. Japan has one, China, Russia, etc, etc. They are attempting to manipulate the weather and in most cases, succeeding and yet, conveniently, none of those "scientists" are pointing this out publicly in the face of climate "scientists".....

You are being lied to.

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Clarify for me would you please? Are you saying that they are controlling the weather to PROMOTE the climate change agenda?

[ironchop]

Clarify for me would you please? Are you saying that they are controlling the weather to PROMOTE the climate change agenda?

No, I don't have nor have I seen any evidence for a correlation. That doesn't mean it that I dismiss that possibility, but rather I don't know enough to even form an opinion. I do know that weather modification was originally funded as a type of weapon system development. I have heard of experiments carried out as far back as Vietnam where they attempted to modify weather to make it difficult for the enemy to mount attacks due to weather constraints, could initiate famines through drought and flood, and create fog banks for cover among other ideas. As par for the course, we weaponize every new technology before someone can hijack it for peaceful purposes.

No matter the motive, HAARP is modifying the weather and one cannot say they are making accurate climate models when a lot of the data was a result of technological intervention by humans.

Warming temps SHOULD BE EXPECTED anyway. We have more humans on Earth now as opposed to 500 yrs ago. Human bodies create heat. Guess what else creates heat? Artificial lighting which is everywhere. Machinery which has permeated every single corner of the globe in one way or another. More technology = more machinery and computers and lights = more sources of heat.....there I go simplifying things that should be unnecessarily complicated....I'm no expert on thermodynamics at all so I'm probably grasping for a point.

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[fabiodriven]

Scooter, one of your links regarding the ice caps is to a satirical publication. "The Daily Mail" is considered a tabloid that puts out ridiculous articles like the kind of publications you see at the checkout line at the grocery store. I'll stick with Stanford.

Yes, Wikipedia isn't going to be the outlet to reference in regards to something our government may be trying to cover up. Such a mainstream form of generic definitions is going to give the most common and watered down answers because it is designed for those who know nothing of the subject searched. That way when someone Googles "HAARP", they will have their curiosity satisfied and will not be lead on to dig any deeper. I briefly spent some time yesterday catching up on HAARP and as I said, it's a generally well accepted theory that HAARP is indeed being used to control the weather. You can watch expert after expert or read of very credible people who have all speculated on it and agree that HAARP is much more than what our government is currently admitting.

If Wikipedia is the be-all end-all for you and you think that's enough and all you need to know, then that's fine. I like to delve deeper, I like to find out what's really going on. It is not Doug's responsibility to educate you on this subject, it is your own responsibility if you'd like to be as well informed as he is. I'll gladly help if I can. A link to Wikipedia is beneath this discussion.

If you're interested in this subject, then educate yourself. This is a good place to start- https://sincedutch.wordpress.com/201...-the-internet/

There is tons of information out there, don't settle for the brush-off answer for the sheeple. Remember, your government lies for a living.

[El Camexican]

There are fossils of palm trees, reptiles and other tropical forms of life all over Canada. There are also mammoth tusks in Mexico and proof of greenery in the Sahara. All changed over a few hundred thousand years due to what???

Mother Earth can, has and will do whatever the @#$% she wants. What we do here during our micro moment in the grand scheme of the Universe is equivalent to less than a fart in a hurricane. Time is on her side, not ours. Sure our water is poisoned and the sky's are fuzzy, but all that will be fixed a few hundred years after we're gone.

As long as the same knob gobblers that preach we should be driving toxic battery powered cars keep drinking their water out of the plastic bottles that are filling the oceans I don't feel bad about my carbon footprint. My life time total is still less that one year of Al "All I wanted was a happy ending" Gore's.

[ironchop]

You bring up another point that sticks in my craw, Glamy.......Fukushima.

meanwhile, Al Gwhore is busy using "climate" to kickstart a lucrative new side business opportunity known as Carbon Emissions Trading. Yet another scam used to enrich the same ppl who responsible for the greatest volume of pollution..........all while BILLIONS of gallons of nuclear wastewater are being dumped into the pacific. If you live on the west coast and don't believe a cloud of fallout came straight over to western USA, then you will believe anything the Today Show tells you.


Hey, you know what kills you really quick and it doesn't give a damn whether there's a drought or not? Radiation.

Hey you know what destroys/ mutates DNA permanently? Radiation

Hey guess what will kill you faster than the loss of the endangered California Sewer Trout? Radiation.....it will kill both of you

Hey guess what one thing will keep killing us for decades to come long after it started raining again in California? Radiation

Fun Fact: You can board up your windows and sandbag your yard to protect you from all this "wild weather caused by climate change" but neither plywood, nor sandbags, nor evacuating to a hundred miles away can protect you from radioactive fallout. Perhaps Lead Plywood might help?

Environmentalists are short-sighted and oblivious to bigger picture problems and are incapable of PRIORITIZING even the simplest of lists

Besides, once I make enough money selling carbon credits to AMAX, I can afford the greatest oncologists the world has to offer to cure me of my ass cancer I got from eating Pacific shellfish.

Brilliant

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[El Camexican]

Don`t you just hate knob gobblers !.......and you can play tennis with a knob gobbler and after the game say " think i`ll get a beer what are you gonna do ..... " think i`ll gobble somebody's knob " .......oh ok see ya later ! (Gilda Radner).......and you don`t know WHAT he`s got drippin right here ! He`s got Fukishma drippin out his arse !

We shouldn’t be knocking knob gobbling here. If the good politicians of CA decide to cover more water with those black balls on your dime it may eventually be the only way you can earn enough to pay your taxes.

[tripledog]

I know......right ? I never heard nob gobblers before so i looked it up .....and there it was right next to homophobic ! Now if i could only gobble my own nob ........i`d never leave the house !

You probably can, but you'll have to cut it off before the gobbling begins.

[El Camexican]

I know......right ? I never heard of "nob gobblers" before so i looked it up .....and there it was right next to homophobic ! Now if i could only gobble my own nob ........i`d never leave the house ! And then another important factor is fish are swimming in that water are taking sh!ts and probably pissing too ! What about turtle sh!t or alligator piss ? .....very important factors that you guys are missing like bat sh!t !!!

Glad to see we are all ascertaining from this forum. I had never heard of Fukishima before, so I looked it up and was thrilled to see that the Japanese in Fukushima had developed a system of removing radiation from millions of gallons of water so that it could then be safely be dumped into the ocean. I wish I could learn more of this wonderful technology. Perhaps it was developed by the same people that determined that in the event of a nuclear bomb explosion children should seek safety under their school desks

As far as auto-knob-gobbling is concerned I don't recommend it. I've discovered that any satisfaction realized is offset by a sore back.

A wise man once said; "Don't drink the water! The fish f**k in it!"

[ironchop]

I love knowledge....its powerful

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[manbearpig]

Just a little drizzle in Ocean Beach today. Nice shiny new vacation home development about 100 yards from the water...

Permit fraud was suggested...







guess no one told that nice developer that Abbot street floods when it rains. oops...