3 out of 4 TOP posts about pistons and such:

[Dirtcrasher]

I'm not trying to start a battle, my posts in the last 2 years have dropped significantly and I don't need any trouble.

I won't include myself at all. However, when the long time or intelligent people post here, LISTEN and LEARN. Put every service manual you can get your hands on your toilet including ones for a YUGO.

How DARE!! ANYONE criticise John Tice (and numerous others), but he's new here. He is here to help us!! If I need work, it's going to him.

All he has done is to come here and contribute. 99% of us don't have his tools, and 75% of us don't have his knowledge.

He is a new member that I like many others want to learn from. I like to learn new things and outside the box.

You wanna piss on me, have a ball. Yaeger, Onformula1, atc007, ElCamexican, Wonderboy, Kasey, DOHC, triple dog, Scootertrash, the real good 350X members and a bunch of other guys that are pretty damn good, have a ball, I think they can deal with it. But don't screw it up with a NEW guy like Mr. Tice. All he's done is shown us how to do things right!! Maybe WE can learn something new. It's a damn internal combustion engine, read a book!

Seems like another system should be implemented for newbies under a certain condition.

I've NEVER in 18 years of being here seen so many damn problems with pistons, rings, cylinders etc etc

[onformula1]

Mr. Tice is a fantastic guy, we have chatted many times. I am very happy that he is posting here, I am a fan of his work here and before on E2S. I agree with him 99% of the time which is excellent odds considering my wacky, out of the box engine tactics at times. The members on this forum have been blessed with his presence & experience!

Where can use ask any question to a top industry professional and get the answers and secrets??? The answer is MR. John Tice, right here on this forum.

[Jmoozy27]

I'm not trying to start a battle, my posts in the last 2 years have dropped significantly and I don't need any trouble.

I won't include myself at all. However, when the long time or intelligent people post here, LISTEN and LEARN. Put every service manual you can get your hands on your toilet including ones for a YUGO.

How DARE!! ANYONE criticise John Tice (and numerous others), but he's new here. He is here to help us!! If I need work, it's going to him.

All he has done is to come here and contribute. 99% of us don't have his tools, and 75% of us don't have his knowledge.

He is a new member that I like many others want to learn from. I like to learn new things and outside the box.

You wanna piss on me, have a ball. Yaeger, Onformula1, atc007, ElCamexican, Wonderboy, Kasey, DOHC, triple dog, Scootertrash, the real good 350X members and a bunch of other guys that are pretty damn good, have a ball, I think they can deal with it. But don't screw it up with a NEW guy like Mr. Tice. All he's done is shown us how to do things right!! Maybe WE can learn something new. It's a damn internal combustion engine, read a book!

Seems like another system should be implemented for newbies under a certain condition.

I've NEVER in 18 years of being here seen so many damn problems with pistons, rings, cylinders etc etc

Agreed, anyone who frequents in researching small engine problems has come across a JT thread. If you haven't, well, sounds like you need to do some reading.

[ironchop]

I wanna be in a power clique. That's all I ever wanted. It would be so kewl and ppl would drink Haterade to quench the jealousy. The like button is the secret handshake.

Vato Loco forever

Try to catch me riding dirty

3Masons Ho!

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[ironchop]

Mr. Tice is a fantastic guy, we have chatted many times. I am very happy that he is posting here, I am a fan of his work here and before on E2S. I agree with him 99% of the time which is excellent odds considering my wacky, out of the box engine tactics at times. The members on this forum have been blessed with his presence & experience!

Where can use ask any question to a top industry professional and get the answers and secrets??? The answer is MR. John Tice, right here on this forum.

You surely didn't contact Mr Tice without the full disclosure of this forum and their expressed written permission right? That's three wheeled espionage right there and just proves you're the ringleader of the power clique what with your secret pms and phone calls.

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[onformula1]

I wanna be in a power clique. That's all I ever wanted. It would be so kewl and ppl would drink Haterade to quench the jealousy. The like button is the secret handshake.

Vato Loco forever

Try to catch me riding dirty

3Masons Ho!

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Now that was funny!, I just shot green tea out my nose...The last time that happened I was talking or reading something from El Camexican or Tripledog.

I am thinking you have been reading too many glamy posts. (Mr. glamy is funny too)

3Masons is classic, I wish I was that bright to come up with something sooo witty.

[onformula1]

You surely didn't contact Mr Tice without the full disclosure of this forum and their expressed written permission right? That's three wheeled espionage right there and just proves you're the ringleader of the power clique what with your secret pms and phone calls.

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I don't think I violated the TOU agreement by contacting Mr. Tice, I have also contacted a Incredible Machinist who's initials are D.H.

[Mosh]

It aint gonna change. It is a product of upbringing or lack of it. This is the future. Impatient, know it all, condescending, snot nosed punks too stubborn to shut up and take advice, and too proud to learn.

You used to come here and get a damn answer and progress by post 6. I Have posted builds and how to threads with less pages than we see anymore about a damn bearing..
It is either 2 or 3 guys that know everything, or 1 guy that wont listen going on 20 pages deep or combo of both. Not to mention the whole internet hero persona and undying plea for group acceptance.
Then the poor unsuspecting people that are told certain people are some kind of expert, that really has no credentials or accomplishments other than a big mouth are built up and followed on here like some messiah, just because they have a big mouth. When did stuffing chinese engines in spraybombed mad max creations qualify people as expert builders? When did bending rods over and over in the same trike qualify someone as pro engine builder that people look up to?
When did wrecking race after race qualify someone as a pro racer? When did a dusty picture from 1983 qualify someone has a former pro racer ? When did google searching propel someone to the status of factory engineers?

I mean hell if half the people believe this nonsense as fact, send me 500$ money order and I will ship you a 750cc 2 stroke injected modern trike..

It is no wonder these kids don't listen. They don't know who is full of and who is blowing smoke up there ass til they find out the hard way.


None of it is what it used to be like. This place has gotten ruined. Ruined by facebook, ruined by disrespectful punks shitting on people who have dedicated time, and money and info to this site and TF, and ruined by no moderation or very large lack of it both at the administration level and even the members themselves for not protecting the assest that used to be here, and falsely building up self proclaimed experts based on popularity contests..

And it is just about everywhere. Look what one or 2 guys can do to a forum. It has happened to many forums.

It is unfortunate.

[Mackus84]

Seeing that a bit of this is obviously directed at me, i'll respond. You guys are beating a dead horse. Its already been established that it was simply a misunderstanding on my part and that its already been apologized for. I personally never once questioned his knowledge on anything, AT ALL. I dont know him or know anything about him. So i dont have that right. I simply misunderstood the way he said one particular thing, and i took it the wrong way. Thinking he was putting down some of us that have little to no knowledge on this subject (piston/bore). I was mistaken and apologized shortly after. Whats funny though is, he handled the entire miscommunication with class and integrity, unlike the way a few of you have done. But hey, thats life. Cant teach an old dog new tricks ya know. No big deal. I got over it in about 5 minutes. Instead of talking about it for two days. 3 wheelers, 4 wheelers, dirtbikes whatever have been a part of my life, since i was 4 or 5 years old, but as far as taking engines apart and all that, its relatively new to me. Thats why i'm here. To learn from you guys. So i have no right to insult or question any of yall's knowledge on the subject.. which is why i havent, and wouldnt. I can only speak for myself as one of the "top 3 posts" about pistons, anything they have said is not related in any way shape or form to me. And as far as my power clique comment, i suppose i couldve chosen a better word. Not so much a clique, just the main group of gentleman that post more regularly and help people out the most. That also seem to jump on people the most, all together when something is said they dont agree with. Thats all. Seriously not a big deal. So lets all be adults here, and get over it. And talk about ATC'S. You guys have a blessed day. (I'm spending the next 12 hours at work).

[oldskool83]

I agree with mosh, this site blow. I only stop by out of habbit. It went down hill 3-4 years ago and gets worse the the year. Prob wont see me post by end of this year. I think I've had enough of giving helpful advice no one listens to or have $50 to spend on toy.

[Daddio]

It aint gonna change. It is a product of upbringing or lack of it. This is the future. Impatient, know it all, condescending, snot nosed punks too stubborn to shut up and take advice, and too proud to learn.

You used to come here and get a damn answer and progress by post 6. I Have posted builds and how to threads with less pages than we see anymore about a damn bearing..
It is either 2 or 3 guys that know everything, or 1 guy that wont listen going on 20 pages deep or combo of both. Not to mention the whole internet hero persona and undying plea for group acceptance.
Then the poor unsuspecting people that are told certain people are some kind of expert, that really has no credentials or accomplishments other than a big mouth are built up and followed on here like some messiah, just because they have a big mouth. When did stuffing chinese engines in spraybombed mad max creations qualify people as expert builders? When did bending rods over and over in the same trike qualify someone as pro engine builder that people look up to?
When did wrecking race after race qualify someone as a pro racer? When did a dusty picture from 1983 qualify someone has a former pro racer ? When did google searching propel someone to the status of factory engineers?

I mean hell if half the people believe this nonsense as fact, send me 500$ money order and I will ship you a 750cc 2 stroke injected modern trike..

It is no wonder these kids don't listen. They don't know who is full of and who is blowing smoke up there ass til they find out the hard way.


None of it is what it used to be like. This place has gotten ruined. Ruined by facebook, ruined by disrespectful punks shitting on people who have dedicated time, and money and info to this site and TF, and ruined by no moderation or very large lack of it both at the administration level and even the members themselves for not protecting the assest that used to be here, and falsely building up self proclaimed experts based on popularity contests..

And it is just about everywhere. Look what one or 2 guys can do to a forum. It has happened to many forums.

It is unfortunate.

First of all, thanks DC for starting this thread. Mosh, I've gotta hand it to you for sticking it out here for so long. You pretty much nailed it down. I don't know if I totally agree with the part about Facebook ruining this forum, however, it has played it's part. Most of damage done here and on other forums and groups is done by just a small number of people out for notoriety. They just seem to go for the negative type of attention and instant gratification. For them, it takes too long to try to learn and contribute something positive. Nothing worthwhile will ever become of that type of behavior. You are right, it is everywhere. It is sad.

[loganm]

It's not a forum thing. I don't listen here and I dont listen irl. Reason being that too many times I've came across old guys that have been doing x thing for a long time and claim to know everything about it, and I show them a new idea or method, and they blow it off. News flash; it doesn't matter how old or young you are or how experienced you are, you don't know EVERYTHING, you can still be introduced to new methods.

I don't care about 3wws opinion of the tools I use. Hell you can rebuild a briggs and Stratton in a field with just a pair of vice grips and a crescent. Someone who's really gifted could probably get away with never touching a torque wrench, or doing cylinder/case work with a drill and a file.

It's really petty when you look for things to nitpick about so you can insult ones intelligence. I hate to admit it but i have in fact learned things from this place, and I know for a fact I could teach everyone here something. I'm not going to change my methods just because someone on a forum thinks that it's impossible to build an engine correctly unless you spend $4k in snap on tools

It's equally sad and hilarious when a group of "power members" thinks they're hot when they team up on someone.

[Dirtcrasher]

I've made plenty of mistakes but I also have nothing to prove. 1 mistake is just that, a mistake. A 2nd mistake, makes it a bad habit.

Learn your limitations. Too much self confidence can result in a stubborn, unwilling to change or learn the correct way. If I couldn't fix something, I'd learn how to or I'd bring it to a dealer.

All the "power members" have very very good running and performing trikes. Plenty of them (me too) did and still do learn new things from thread topics.

Quote "It's equally sad and hilarious when a group of "power members" thinks they're hot when they team up on someone." these members have so much information to offer anyone. They reply, ask what steps got someone to this point and try to give them good advice; And the other member never listens and at some point others give up trying to help. No worries, it won't last because that member who refuses to listen to others will end up being ignored.

And I don't use vice grips and crescent wrenches...

[Scootertrash]

Sounds like a resignation announcement. With all due respect, it sounds like some of you need to move on. Start a new chapter in life. I doubt anyone is forcing you here. I'm sure 3ww will survive. If you don't like something, what's wrong with saying "go find someone else". Rather than 5-10 members ganging together for some tongue lashing & insults. To me seems like that will put an end to this site. You guys aren't the only ones that know anything about 30 y/o atc's.
Your scaring off new members from asking anything. People won't want to tip toe here long. If you don't get your standing ovation or a bow-WATCH OUT-it's like a kid at Wally World that isn't getting what he wants. Get off your high horse now, why you can still help around here. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Peace out. Newbies: to avoid your demise, no secret handshakes

Still don't get it do ya?

[ironchop]

I'll be mean if I feel the need to. I've been here ten years and watched so many ppl come and go. Good and bad.

I'm sure some folks, as I've been told, either dislike me or think I'm a bully sometimes. I don't care. I gave up on the feel-good utopia idea a long time ago. I used to stay pretty quiet. Lurked before joining and after that, I kept my ears open and my mouth shut.

A few years ago I quit coming by here as there were TWO self proclaimed superstars who were jamming themselves into every goddam thread in this place. One had some knowledge and the other made lots of claims that were never confirmed and weren't even true. This didn't stop the online fanboys in here from thinking that copy-pasting from Google searches constitutes real and learned knowledge. Sorry to disappoint some of you but you've been duped by a Google search. Plagiarized DAILY from other articles on the net. I thought after three years, some ppl would figure it out but these SAME TWO guys started this whole "secret clique" bullshoot because their panties were in a wad over the possibility that their monopoly of thread advice might be threatened. I watched for two years as these two made post after post of passive-aggressive BS pertaining to other threads. I saw a lot of the ppl complaining about this "clique" now were liking that passive aggressive school kid crap back then. But I just stayed quiet and waited for someone else to fix the problem for us through moderation.

One day I just decided that if that's what some ppl want, then I'll make sure they get what they want. .....so I called out people. One was a fake the whole time and the other styled himself as some sort of bully fighter. He liked to stick up for the kids because they were kids. Meanwhile he's hypocritically bullying other people. Next thing I know these kids were hiding behind their internet big brothers and making smart passed passive aggressive remarks themselves on here all the way up until their protector got banned.

I made all my smartass "power clique" comments because I'm tired of the accusations and feel the need to correct these paranoid lies. If that's too much for some I would apologize except that I'm not going to. I meant every word I said. I'm also not going to stop liking things people say because even that gets twisted into whatever someone else wants to perceive it as an attack of some sort.

I say what I say because I feel that way. I could not care less if anyone else agrees or what bandwagon you think we all jump on. Maybe if three ppl yell at you online, it isn't because they're kissing anyone's hind end. Maybe its just because more than one person thinks your being a dick or any idiot and maybe more than one person prefers to speak for themselves.

If I make a general passive-aggressive statement, its just general. If its about anyone personally, they will know it quick as I like to go straight to he source.

I'm actually quite surprised that so many people were duped into thinking that those two were even CLOSE to having anywhere NEAR the knowledge they claimed to have and ESPECIALLY considering they were very low on the knowledge totem pole. Apparently people think post count equals knowledge.

I'm also confused that so many people watched quietly as their two internet heroes trash talk and bully people left and right for two years and yet liked their posts and worshipped them as if nothing they could do or say was wrong. Now folks are butthurt that those two got outed and are pointing fingers at everyone else calling "bully".

Well I'm not sorry everyone's two false idols ran off or got banned or whatever.

Follow whomever you want. Just don't expect me to respect your choice enough to sit by and watch two klowns dupe everyone and ruin a forum I've loved for ten years now. That also goes for the real life racer who was always trashing this place publicly over Facebook while half of you sat quietly because "He's a god". Its called LOYALTY to my friends and my community. I dont give a damn how many trophies he has. This place has done way more for me than he has and i would defend 3WW over a Facebook page any day. Too bad a lot of you don't understand that but I wont tolerate something Zuckerberg built ruining something Golighlty built.

Oh and since I'm familiar with these two old superstars I also know they like to email and PM people outside of the forum running their mouths about people in here. Know how I know? Because one of them used to message and email me too just to bash others. Imagine my surprise when these very two are accusing others of doing exactly what they've been doing for years....claiming they were the sole reason for all the traffic on 3WW. I know they still message people on this forum running that mouth like cowards so you can be certain that its no longer your little secret.

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