What is Reverse Racism?

[fabiodriven]

Thank you for your understanding of my tone when trying to prove a point Joe. I don't watch the news or anything for just this reason, it's just not good for me. Every now and then there is a subject I will partake in and this happens to be one that's just so ridiculously misrepresented, it just reeks of a forced agenda. I don't appreciate the lies our media and government are purporting upon us and the guilt we're supposed to feel as many black people are up in arms while they themselves are the problem. Where I work I could be swallowed up if something were to break out. It's utterly laughable that black people would be uprising against white people right now when the numbers tell a very clear story of who they are. Maybe not all of them and I know this. I'm always smiling and friendly with all people I come across during the day and that doesn't exclude the black people in the bad neighborhoods I work in. Honestly this stuff isn't even close to being on my mind as I work, I'm not worried about it while I'm there, but to look at the numbers it is disturbing.

[RamsesRibb]

Cue the holy rollers....

Bring it on boys, facts is what I deal in. No amount of your judgement towards me is a cold, hard fact, such as those I provide.

Joe obviously no hard feelings bud, lol. I know you're a good friend. I am a very good judge of character and was looking forward to seeing you again soon. Probably going to be too sick to make it though. This is a debate of sorts. Same with you Ramses, just a thread.



I have stayed with the subject matter completely, my post has everything to do with the topic at hand.

I didn't bother linking or quoting any surveys in regards to black people being the most religious in this country because there was nothing to the contrary. I searched it and it's conclusive. You can look for yourself, that's a fact.



I never did imply that. That's a thought I'm still processing. I'm not going to say I believe one way or the other just yet but it's something I want to think about. Not because you brought it up, I've been thinking about that since I posted. What I said was My point in saying this was to point out that by the numbers, with black people being the most religious and by far the most felonious, which are both facts, Jesus is clearly not the answer for them.

I've dealt enough with religious people to know that you like to skirt around things, you try to discredit hard facts and denounce whoever it is that's shown this fact to you. Regardless of who I am and how anyone who is religious feels about the facts these are the facts; black people are the most religious American people and they are also the most felonious BY FAR.

Take that correlation however you choose, but I know how I view it. My point in bringing this up was to tell Ramses that Jesus is not the answer in this case, as he suggested it might be. Here are the facts to prove Jesus is in fact NOT the answer. Now anyone is free to retort with their FACTS to show that Jesus is the answer here.



Everything you said before that was pretty much filibuster, there was no point. Those are your beliefs which are great for you! However what you religious people need to realize is that this is a free country and I am speaking in facts here, not tongues. Now based on that statement you just made in regards to death based on non-religious people, I disagree wholeheartedly. To make such a bold statement you must back it up, so you better do some research. You know I will be so let's see what you come up with!

Jesus Christ, this man you speak of, assuming he's the head of your beliefs or whatever, or God or whoever you're talking about. Let's look at some numbers.

There is no way to keep track of all the different religions on this planet, there are thousands. I've seen estimates as low as 4,000 going up over 10,000. Now let's assume, for argument's sake, that 5,000 of those claim there to be one god, and one god only. Now assuming there is only one true, divine being and only one religion can be correct, that would mean that the odds that the one religion you have chosen to follow just happening to be the one and only true religion are very, very low. The numbers are five thousand to one you're wrong. My head is foggy and I couldn't do the calculation just then, but that's less than a one percent chance you're right.



No it does not. That is your opinion. Please, let us deal in fact, in reality here. Is every one of you the same? Can we please talk in cold, hard facts with proof, please?

Black people as a race are 13% of the population in this country and they commit over 52% of murders. Do I need to repeat that? Black people as a race are 13% of the population in this country and they commit over 52% of murders.

Does that register to you? Does that mean anything at all? And as I type this, black people march as if they're being treated unjustly? And you're OK with this? Why? Because Jesus Christ told you they were good people?

This is why I don't like religion. You are supposed to be a docile, god fearing American. That's what they want. Why don't they want you like me? With your own thoughts and actions, your own mind? Because a person who can think and act on their own is a dangerous thing. You can say "Oh my God" while you're watching me knock the tracks off their tanks when the shite hits the fan. Let's see who lasts longer.

According to the Nation Crime Victimization Survey in 2010-

62,593 black people were the victims of white violence.

That same year

320,082 white people were the victims of black violence.

That's five times as many crimes committed by blacks on whites but this number is misleading as the black population is far less than the white population. When 38,000,000 black Americans commit five times the amount of crime on 197,000,000 white Americans then you have an actual number of black Americans committing 25 times the amount of crime as against whites as whites commit against blacks. Do I need to make myself any more clear?

The problem with you calling me and those who think like me "racists" is the actual problem. People who think your way are the problem because you perpetuate this situation we're stuck in. These are facts and whether you like them or not, this is the truth. It's not an interpretation and yes, it hurts some people's feelings, but this is the cold, hard truth about what is going on in this country. While you go pray for a solution, and pray for me as well which I'm sure will be the next words out of your mouth, there will be people, actual physical people taking action and some getting killed while the rest of the country acts like hurting people's feelings is the the biggest problem. If people's feelings are hurt that black people are by far the most felonious people in this country, tough shite, because that's the truth. If you or anyone else doesn't like that then take it up with black people because they're the ones making these statistics. I'm only here showing the numbers to you. It's obvious you don't like what you're seeing but guess what? I'm not making these numbers up.



They don't need any more excuses, they are a product of their own actions just as you and I. Coddling them hasn't worked. This country has danced around feeling guilty for long enough. I'm a very white man and I am proud. I am sharing numbers with you, I didn't make them up. I am not a racist and if you're full of white guilt then go repent or something, but I take absolutely no responsibility for the actions of black America today. I don't like any race that commits over 50% of murders when they are 13% of the population. This country has gone to war for less!

Ramses I don't know if you watched the two videos I posted on the first page but if you didn't please do so. Then watch this one as well please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssbRfZDMSGQ

Thanks, I just watched all 3 videos. I agree with everything they try to get across.

My intent was never to say that blacks need special attention but rather that not all black are bad and they should be judged individually by their actions. I will be honest there are plenty of whites that I would personally avoid as well.

I am not trying to say Jesus is the answer for the bad people. I'm am saying that the lack of good core beliefs is a root cause of immoral behavior. Do some research into the enlightenment. Thomas Jefferson had trouble digesting supernatural power yet he did follow the teachings of Jesus. Also one of the founding fathers stated the clear intent of this nation was as a Christian nation for only if the people where a good and godly people would they be able to self govern. Please forgive me but I can't think of who at the moment.

Regarding the statistics, I understand what they reflect. But they have not been broken down enough. What percentage of the 13% is actually the criminal perpetrators. I would guess that number would be close to the number not affiliated with religion or affiliated with Islam. In other words bad guys are taking the good ones reputation with them.


Please don't think I am a zealot. I just want to be on the right side when the time comes. My guns are loaded and I'm always carrying. I work on the streets in New Orleans and Baton Rouge and deal with this sheet every day. And I'm not pushing religion on anyone, just saying most people in general are very weak willed and give in to the temptations. The government knows this, that's why they play to people's emotions for everything and they turn it to their advantage.

[DohcBikes]

Thank you for your understanding of my tone

I believe I may have a valuable contribution to this thread at some point.

[Scootertrash]

In the end it just doesn't matter any more. This should have been nipped in the bud a decade or two ago.

For what it's worth, there are plenty of wealthy minorities CONTRIBUTING AND MAKING MONEY off of this bullshite, but hey, let's just blame the white guys.

More later. I've got OT to work. Millions of thugs, drug dealers, and criminals are counting on my "White Guilt" paycheck.

[fabiodriven]

And just yesterday I sez to myself I sez "Self, where the frig has Scooter been?"


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[redsox]

i'll throw my hat in this ring. Although i probably shouldn't. i've got more questions than answers. a lot of this is sociologically interesting stuff though. First question: How is "most religious" quantified? Seems a little arbitrary. its not like saying "tallest" or "oldest" or even "fastest." Thats like when beer companies advertise "most refreshing!" WTF does that even mean??

Second Question: Why do we assume equality where it does not exist? Thats the flaw here, in my opinion. Without judgement of better or worse, its unacceptable in this country to say that x is different than y when it comes to race. Black people ARE DIFFERENT than white people. Italians are DIFFERENT than the Irish. El Salvadorians are DIFFERENT than Nicaraguans. Its fact. We are all human, but we are all different. We're animals. Creatures on this earth. Like different breeds of dogs, there are different breeds of human beings. Now, its perfectly acceptable to say that skill sets and attributes are bred into dogs. Labs are good sporting dogs, huskys are good working dogs, etc, etc, right down the line. Now, there is the whole debate about pit bulls. I've seen the nastiest, nastiest, nastiest pit bulls on the planet. Bad Ass Dogs. Bred to be bad. Trained to be bad. Bad. I've also seen great family dogs that are pit bulls. How? How can this be? I'd say its a combination of genetics and upbringing. Of course, I say that about dogs. Not humans. Because if i said that about any subsection of the human species, i'd be deemed racist. But, and I think you'd all agree, its a pretty compelling argument, when it comes to dogs. Now, lets look at the combination of genetics and upbringing. You could take a German Shepard or a Poodle for that matter and beat it and starve it and train it to fight. You could do it and make a pretty mean and nasty dog. But it would lose 1000 times out of 1000 in a fight with a mildly trained pit. Its fact. Its genetics. Its generations and generations of breeding to accomplish a certain function. Its science. Remember, we're talking dogs here. Now, fighting isn't the only attribute trained into these creatures. Hell, if you took my husky and trained him for years, he'll never be as good of a swimmer as an untrained black lab. But put him in deep snow and he'll run circles around any dog. Breeding and genetics. Breeding and genetics. Nobody is holding a sign saying all dogs are equal. Why?

Third Question: Why is religion and race discussion so often intertwined? Is it a matter of caring? Caring for each other and fellow man and all that? It seems to me that that is the logical link. I don't see how its "hateful" or "racist" to point out glaring differences in subsets of a species. Am I not worthy of going to heaven if I say I cannot get sickle cell anemia? I consider myself religious. I'm in a transitional phase in my life and i'm still trying to figure out which way is up, so i don't identify with any religion right now, (and probably won't ever again) but i'm certain that there is a God. Who or what that is, i haven't a clue. But i think killing and stealing are wrong. The basic tenants of the major religions, i think, are solid. Judeo-Christian values, if you will. So, is there an internal conflict there? Am I a hypocrite? Am I a hypocrite if i believe in the basics of religion, yet i think there are fundemental differences in race? That seems to be what this tread is saying. "You love everyone and accept bad behavior OR you're a racist heathen." I don't accept that.

Out of time here, but i've got more to say specific to race/behavior/geography/drugs

[fabiodriven]

If you're referencing my comment in regards to "the most fanatical religious people on this planet" by asking how someone might be more religious than another person the answer to that is simple.

If you see an Amish person who lives every action of their day according to strict religious guidelines, or an Islamic person who does very much the same in their own way, I would consider both of those examples of someone who is "more religious" than someone who goes to mass once a year on Christmas but is still a Catholic. We have every creed in this country and, at least in my area, very few people practice their religion strictly and base their every action on the words of their respective teachings. However if you go to the mid west it's a different story altogether.

If something good happened to you and your words are "praise Jesus" then you're most likely more religious than the people who use the name Jesus more often in vain.

I get what you're saying. I get on people all the time who say "half Jewish", that drives me nuts. You're either part of a religion or you're not.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

Love the dog analogy! Amazing example that is simple to understand and relate to this thread

[DohcBikes]

If we were all the same breed then I would think the info collecters at Ancestry.com would have trouble using DNA to determine race.

Still organizing my thoughts in order to contribute a constructive post. We're covering a lot of ground here. Last thing I wanna do is spark a quote by quote post war with Scooter Overall again, I think the discussion at times perpetuates a divide, when really we should all just chill and delete facebook, maybe even throw our cell phones away and have more campfires, breathe a little bit before this place goes completely to hell.

[RamsesRibb]

I get on people all the time who say "half Jewish", that drives me nuts. You're either part of a religion or you're not.

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Being Jewish is not strictly a religion, it is also considered a bloodline connecting its members to the tribes in the bible.

[fabiodriven]

In that case I may stand corrected.


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[RamsesRibb]

i'll throw my hat in this ring. Although i probably shouldn't. i've got more questions than answers. a lot of this is sociologically interesting stuff though. First question: How is "most religious" quantified? Seems a little arbitrary. its not like saying "tallest" or "oldest" or even "fastest." Thats like when beer companies advertise "most refreshing!" WTF does that even mean??

I Looked at the reference material and seems to indicate that the percentage of the black population which identifies with religion is higher than other races.

Second Question: Why do we assume equality where it does not exist? Thats the flaw here, in my opinion. Without judgement of better or worse, its unacceptable in this country to say that x is different than y when it comes to race. Black people ARE DIFFERENT than white people. Italians are DIFFERENT than the Irish. El Salvadorians are DIFFERENT than Nicaraguans. Its fact. We are all human, but we are all different. We're animals. Creatures on this earth. Like different breeds of dogs, there are different breeds of human beings. Now, its perfectly acceptable to say that skill sets and attributes are bred into dogs. Labs are good sporting dogs, huskys are good working dogs, etc, etc, right down the line. Now, there is the whole debate about pit bulls. I've seen the nastiest, nastiest, nastiest pit bulls on the planet. Bad Ass Dogs. Bred to be bad. Trained to be bad. Bad. I've also seen great family dogs that are pit bulls. How? How can this be? I'd say its a combination of genetics and upbringing. Of course, I say that about dogs. Not humans. Because if i said that about any subsection of the human species, i'd be deemed racist. But, and I think you'd all agree, its a pretty compelling argument, when it comes to dogs. Now, lets look at the combination of genetics and upbringing. You could take a German Shepard or a Poodle for that matter and beat it and starve it and train it to fight. You could do it and make a pretty mean and nasty dog. But it would lose 1000 times out of 1000 in a fight with a mildly trained pit. Its fact. Its genetics. Its generations and generations of breeding to accomplish a certain function. Its science. Remember, we're talking dogs here. Now, fighting isn't the only attribute trained into these creatures. Hell, if you took my husky and trained him for years, he'll never be as good of a swimmer as an untrained black lab. But put him in deep snow and he'll run circles around any dog. Breeding and genetics. Breeding and genetics. Nobody is holding a sign saying all dogs are equal. Why?

Everyone is different and races are genetically different and have different origins. But the equality issue is not about physical differences. It is really an issue of being treated equal by the system in place and to be judged independently from others which may look the same but not act the same.

Third Question: Why is religion and race discussion so often intertwined? Is it a matter of caring? Caring for each other and fellow man and all that? It seems to me that that is the logical link. I don't see how its "hateful" or "racist" to point out glaring differences in subsets of a species. Am I not worthy of going to heaven if I say I cannot get sickle cell anemia? I consider myself religious. I'm in a transitional phase in my life and i'm still trying to figure out which way is up, so i don't identify with any religion right now, (and probably won't ever again) but i'm certain that there is a God. Who or what that is, i haven't a clue. But i think killing and stealing are wrong. The basic tenants of the major religions, i think, are solid. Judeo-Christian values, if you will. So, is there an internal conflict there? Am I a hypocrite? Am I a hypocrite if i believe in the basics of religion, yet i think there are fundemental differences in race? That seems to be what this tread is saying. "You love everyone and accept bad behavior OR you're a racist heathen." I don't accept that.

Out of time here, but i've got more to say specific to race/behavior/geography/drugs

No idea because religions are not race specific other than they may have originated from an area dominated by a certain race.

[knappyfeet]

Where is glamy on this? Did he get banned again?

I better shoot him an email.

[atctim]

I'm gonna throw something out there that I see, but has not been discussed regarding this numbers game we are playing in this thread. Something to chew on if you will. I won't throw my opinion about this out there just yet - as I just want to state facts:

Percent of black children born out of wedlock - 72%
Percent of white children born out of wedlock - 29%

That is a pretty big spread and should speak volumes. I just wish people would be able to openly speak about these facts without fear and ridicule.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I absolutely love threads like this, where people can rationally debate and talk on a controversial subject and not resort to name-calling and insults despite the fact we may not all agree on 100% of the subject matter...

I just wanted to say that.