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Thread: Long Live 3Wheeling Magazine

  1. #421
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    (long) letter to Dean

    Dean,
    After lurking on this site and reading your thread, the recent posting of the pics from “Speedway 117” compelled me to write. I had the privilege of racing during this era. Started with the first year Honda Elsinore 125 at, what was then called, South Bay Speedway. We would practice in the hills on the north side of what would become 905 all weekend long and race on Wednesday nights. Back then Marty Smith was still in school at Point Loma (with a Factory Honda Support contract). He and Tommy Croft were riding 250’s at the big races and Marty would show up at South Bay on Wednesdays for pocket change in the 125 class. Over the next 10 years or so I got to ride and race with all 3 Martys. Smith at South Bay, Tripes at Santee (San Diego River sand pits), and Moates at Carlsbad.

    In ‘81/’82 I sold my house, packed my belongings, took a leave from work, and tried my hand at self employment. Went in with some distant relatives in Ennis, Texas. We owned several businesses including a Kawasaki shop. Our practice track was located on the land that became the Texas Motorplex racing complex. I had attended the Riverside race in previous years and had heard that the next edition would include a 3wheeler class. We went to work fabbing an open class (Kaw 420 engine-new crate motor from the factory) to race at Riverside. Rumor had it that Ace would be riding an open class Honda and we were determined to compete. I had raced with Ace once at the Cajon Speedway infield course (he was on a Tri-Yamaha at the time). My inflated sense of invincibility had everyone convinced that we could be “in the hunt”. Well … reversals of fortune (the shop took a severe monetary dive) relegated the dream of racing against Factory Honda at Riverside moot. I escaped from Texas with the clothes on my back and a freshly assembled (by me from the crate) Eddie Lawson Replica 1000. Upon returning to San Diego, I took the Lawson bike to Alba (at that time in Encinitas) and traded it straight up for a race ready ATC250R. I re-started racing back at “Speedway 117” and got to race with Dean and Wax on a semi-regular basis.

    The whole point of this post was not to drop names. During that span of years it wasn’t uncommon to line up along side Broc Glover or Rick Johnson at the gate or Mitch Mayes out in the Mojave. Back in the mid 70’s, a group of co-workers would go to the 24th st. tidal flats in National City and end up using our ATC90’s as tow mules for Larry Williams and Don Pauter’s sand dragster.

    The gift of living in So. Cal., specifically in San Diego County, and being involved in the off-road scene can only be appreciated in retrospect. During the last 5 years I’ve been gradually rebuilding my love of the hobby. Resurrecting a ’67 Bug, introducing my son to the desert, and rebuilding/play riding my pride and joy … an ’86 ATC350X.

    The glory days have come and gone. Riding in the outback in San Diego County is virtually unknown today. The Ocotillo and Glamis areas are so crowded now. But the fire still smolders within. Off-roading is a life long passion. Working on buggies, bikes, and 3wheelers will always hold a part of me captive. As it should!
    350X

  2. #422
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    Wow.. long thread.. very informative and there are good stories in it too.

    Got any more stickers left, Dean? Or do you have anything for a 250SX layin around your house anywhere for sale? -wink-

  3. #423
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    Yep, still got stickers somewhere in the rafters. Same deal as always. No spare parts for the SX deal, sorry. The unlimited class for 3-wheelers always brought out some interesting/strange bikes. Some downright spooky. I think the two most popular, the Mugen setup, and 300cc Hondaline kits were good for the sport and tons of fun to ride. The CR-powered ATCs seemed to be a tough entry to ride, due to the high-rpm band, and lack of counterbalancer. They sure broke a lot of frames with that setup. Good to hear from another rider from that era. Thanks for the memories.

  4. #424
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    hey dean, I'm walking out the door headed to Disney Wide World of Sports in Orlando there is an ATV race there tonight. Doug Gust, John Natalie, Jeremiah, Bill Balance, Joe Byrd, and others, about 20 pro riders, to qualify for 16 rider main.
    Marty Hart and Rodney Gentry are supposed to be there(Marty is competing in terracross). This is supposed to be televised July 15th & 16th on espn with a special review segment to air July 16th on ABC's Wide World of Sports.

    Eliot

  5. #425
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    Well Natalie won the MX, but more important, Marty won the terracross. Did'nt see Rodney around, however he did place 2nd in the 30+ class at the national event at GATORBACK.
    Elliot

  6. #426
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    old fart...

    Someone posted a pic of this trike out of 3 wheeling magizine this week and I was hoping maybe you know of it or can say something about it. Circa 1981
    Last edited by chris200x; 12-31-2007 at 12:32 AM.

  7. #427
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    That cool photo was taken at the Baja de, Saddleback Park (now gone), is of Bob Ace Williams (notice the #32), riding one of the early 3B Lightning Tri-Moto/YZ conversions. Notice the large rear tires as well. Ace was riding this trike, just before he began working on the open entry for the Off Road Championships at Riverside. I believe that image was taken from one of 3B Lightning ads from an old issue of 3Wheeling Magazine. 3B was a company created by Broc Glover, and Billy Talley and Bob Williams were partners.
    Last edited by oldfart; 08-21-2005 at 10:45 PM.

  8. #428
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    stickers

    Hey Dean, I sent you a letter a while ago with money for some 3wheeler stuff? Did you recieve it? My name is Nick Childs if you need it.

  9. #429
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    Thanks for reminder. Yes, I will get it out tomorrow... I had forgotten about it, opps.

  10. #430
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    Haha, no biggy. I am so glad that people like you have "come out of the closet" with these things. You really help people like me and my buddys get back into riding. Can't for my surprise in the mail this week. So do you think you could help me with anything on a racing 200x trike?

  11. #431
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    Great thread. I read the whole thing.

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    Smile 20 year old atc500r

    Hey Dean, I'am another one from san diego county up in the fallbrook area, we have a whole group that has been riding atc for about the last 20 years, I remember alot of the names that are coming up, good to hear from you, I just put my 1985 atc cr500 up for sale here, it was built in 1986 with a 85 atc250r and 85 cr500 motor, up here there was three guys who built these together and ran glamis for alot of years, I bought one of them about two years ago, ran it last season at glamis and anza, the most wickedly fast bike I ever have rode, but I'am just too old for this kind of bike now, I just ride softly now on my 86atc250r mint condition fox motor etc. any way keep up the posts, see you later.
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    RIDE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!

  13. #433
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    Wow, you all should come over to 3wheeler.org also, San Diego/CA is a very big chunk over there. You all should join us for the glamis thanksgiving ride. I know it would be very cool to make it an annual event for both sites. You should come to Dean, im sure someone would lend you a bike.
    Rest in peace Rex Carlson

  14. #434
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    I cannot believe Mugen made kits for ATCs, that is amazing! I am sure they were very expensive because their aftermarket parts are very pricey.

    When did you hear or know about the ATC Ban - for example: was it a slow progression since 1980 or was the word out quickly in 1985?

    Do you predict 3 Wheelers in our future or a forbidden fruit that a manufacturer will not touch?

  15. #435
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    The late Al Baker (Hesperia, CA) was the imported of Mugen motorcycle/ATC kits for southern California or greater.... I believe they were about $400ish, for the cylinder and piston, carb, etc. A little pipey for my blood. Brett Driscoll sure loved them, as did Corda.

    I don't recall about when I began to take notice about the CPSC deal. Like so many things, it starts out slow, and begins to build up. I never bought into the accident-portion of the report, since motorcycle, and even toaster ovens had more numbers than 3Wheelers. I believe it was about import duties, and if the major 3Wheeler manufacturers were United States- based, it would have never been an issue. That is why, Honda and the rest, began to build units here in the States, to quiet the rumblings about too many imports. That's my 2 cents worth.

    These were tough times to be in the business. Yes, the dealers were making money hand over fist, but the manufactuers, were taking a beating in the courts. Try as they might, to get the dealers to sell "by the book", the dealers gave the public what they wanted. And later, in many cases, paid dearly for it.

    Let's go duning, and forget all this CPSC crapola!

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