The Bigger Picture

[Scootertrash]

[ironchop]

Omfg...

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[sledcrazyinCT]

Damage is already done and the folks who agree with him will never admit Hogg is a flip flopper opportunist

[ironchop]

Damage is already done and the folks who agree with him will never admit Hogg is a flip flopper opportunist

You called it. Never thought Vermont would flip the other way but....


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/3...t-gun-law.html


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[Scootertrash]

Fudds are and will be our biggest problem besides the anti-gun pussies.



"What's a Fudd?", You may ask

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

ETA: This:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp

The Anti-Gun Male by Julia Gorin

"LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable--so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to masquerade squeamishness as grand principle-in the interest of mankind, no less.

A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12-year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self-esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife--there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife.

Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life-if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man'scontainment."

Jewish World Review contributor Julia Gorin is a journalist and stand-up comic residing in Manhattan.

[ironchop]

Excellent post Scooter.

FUDDS are those sumbitches I DESPISED back in 1994. Them along with the NRA who took our money and promptly threw the SKS under the Clinton Reelection Campaign bus in order to save "muh huntin rifle' at the last minute....oh but the buying frenzy that ensued actually drove ownership of evil black rifles thru the roof and that train ain't stopped yet. If you'll remember, they sat on the gun store shelf collecting dust waiting for the occasional 'Nam vet/ collector prior to 1994

I never gave the NRA another dime since then and I tell them why every time they call on a membership drive. Ted Nugent can kiss my balls.

The 1994 AWB did so much more to promote the sales of EBRs than anyone else to date. That's when I bought a gun I would've never looked at twice before...the FN FAL (a Century Arms L1A1 to be exact) I followed that up with the Cadillac of FALs...Austrian STG58 unissued kit I had built on an Imbel receiver by Springfield Armorys service department. The STG parts kit was $250 (seller didn't know what he had) and that receiver was $185 new. The bill from Springfield was higher than the whole parts pile (close to $500 invoice) I had to sell it years later to pay attorneys in a nasty custody battle but I got $2K for it. I miss that one more than any of them combined to this very day.

The SKS were kept in a pile in trashcans at my local gun store to save rack space for the expensive stuff. A Russian SKS was $59 new. Chinese were $49 new. These are six times that now. My first Norinco AK variant was $245 out the door. After they dried up, they fetch about $1500 now. I bought two back in '94 and sold for a handsome profit years later. Mosin Nagants and Ishapore Enfield surplus WWII rifles were about $19-$25 each. The only expensive black rifle or "military" rifles were the Colt and Bushmaster AR15s which were exempted from the 94 ban. Colt was $850ish-$2100 and a Bushy pulled down about $700. The Daewoo DR200 was a finely crafted Korean 5.56 that used AR15 mags. They were $450 brand new in about 1994. Now they fetch $1800+ if you can find one for sale.

Of course, all politicians are invested in firearm stocks so they make money by spreading fear from both ends.

So now that my love of Evil Black Rifles (EBRs) is out of the closet....there's a couple others here on 3WW I know from gun forums but I won't out them.... here's where I'm going next weekend. Hoping to take my little sister this time. This will be my 30th something attendance of this event. THE Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. Buy, Sell, Rentals, Submachine gun with Suppression match, Jungle gun match, Militaria, and Swap Meet that would make David Hogg and his kind pee their little panties and raise their little Skittles fists in fear and loathing.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/events...hine-gun-shoot

The most unique thing, besides renting over 100 kinds of full auto madness and flamethrowers, is the Night Shoot on Saturday nights. When it gets dark, everyone crowds up to the Main Range (where the big players with bigger pockets mofos whip out SERIOUS weaponry and burn cash like it was firewood...like the GE Minigun or quad 50s, dual MG42s) and they say a few words over the PA, and one guy has his hand on the breaker switch for all the outdoor lights.....when he throws that switch off, all hell breaks loose...with tracer rounds and explosions... (Warning, possible PTSD trigger for our combat vets here).....btw, I'm told the miniguns are loaded with a tracer every 100th Rd....you'll see it looks like a solid red stream though.

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/h11uEvGc7u8

https://youtu.be/BV4vOdvXx6o

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[Scootertrash]

One day the wife and I will make it to Knob Creek. I've seen the vids before, re-watched the ones 'chop posted. I think I felt a stirring in my loins

Went to one of the local ranges several years ago when my brother was in town and rented an MP5. A couple years ago when we went to MI for the wifes Moms funeral, one of her old school friends invited us over to hang out for beers and burgers. Her hubby asked if we were gun folk which resulted in the obvious answer. His next question was "Wanna shoot the Thompson?" I said "Sure. Are you talking a REAL Thompson?" He gave me a wink and said "Be right back". Wife says "What's a Thompson?". I said "The machine gun from the WWII and gangster movies". "Really?". "Yup"



She was scared at first, but after the first few rounds was grinning from ear to ear.

They do a machine gun shoot just North of me every year at the end of summer. Gettin' to be about time to go rent one or two and blast a few rounds.

Full auto is a blast, no pun intended.

ETA: In the dictionary under "Bullet Hose" is a pic of the MiniGun

[ironchop]

One day the wife and I will make it to Knob Creek. I've seen the vids before, re-watched the ones 'chop posted. I think I felt a stirring in my loins

Went to one of the local ranges several years ago when my brother was in town and rented an MP5. A couple years ago when we went to MI for the wifes Moms funeral, one of her old school friends invited us over to hang out for beers and burgers. Her hubby asked if we were gun folk which resulted in the obvious answer. His next question was "Wanna shoot the Thompson?" I said "Sure. Are you talking a REAL Thompson?" He gave me a wink and said "Be right back". Wife says "What's a Thompson?". I said "The machine gun from the WWII and gangster movies". "Really?". "Yup"



She was scared at first, but after the first few rounds was grinning from ear to ear.

They do a machine gun shoot just North of me every year at the end of summer. Gettin' to be about time to go rent one or two and blast a few rounds.

Full auto is a blast, no pun intended.

ETA: In the dictionary under "Bullet Hose" is a pic of the MiniGun

Thompson was the second select fire weapon I rented at KC . Heavy AF but easy to shoot and top-notch quality.

When you decide to come down, they do these twice a year every year, weather permitting. Rarely does the weather get in the way.

Bring ear plugs because like those pipes Jesse James used to sell, it's LAF

I'll buy the dinner and drinks

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[Scootertrash]

Bring ear plugs because like those pipes Jesse James used to sell, it's LAF

Wut?

My ears are f'd after all the years of shootin,' ridin' next to drag piped Harleys and screamin' wimmenz. The wimmen usually didn't start screamin' till the chloroform wore off.

That and my tinnitus: EEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

I still wear plugs tho. Gotta save some of what I got left.

[greenhuman]

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 Years.. Gun control changed that there. Plus it dosen't help that the media over plays this stuff, some beleive many mass shootings are copy cat ones..

Exactly correct. If a kid or anyone else over here goes mental, they can't go and buy a gun easily or go under dad's pillow and grab his hand gun in the spur of the moment. Hard to go to school and kill twenty people with a slingshot. Never been a school mass shooting in Australia and we have our fair share of nut cases. People say the gun is an inanimate object but if it's hard to get it's even harder to commit mass murder or any murder at all for that matter.

[greenhuman]

Wut?

My ears are f'd after all the years of shootin,' ridin' next to drag piped Harleys and screamin' wimmenz. The wimmen usually didn't start screamin' till the chloroform wore off.

That and my tinnitus: EEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

I still wear plugs tho. Gotta save some of what I got left.

Don't get me started about Tinnitus. It is a curse and I would love to inflict it on someone who doesn't understand it for just 10 minutes. Anyone else have it?

[fabiodriven]

Exactly correct. If a kid or anyone else over here goes mental, they can't go and buy a gun easily or go under dad's pillow and grab his hand gun in the spur of the moment. Hard to go to school and kill twenty people with a slingshot. Never been a school mass shooting in Australia and we have our fair share of nut cases. People say the gun is an inanimate object but if it's hard to get it's even harder to commit mass murder or any murder at all for that matter.

Guns are not as easy to get a hold of as our media would have you believe my friend. Our problem is not loose laws, we have a people problem. Society globally has taken a huge nose dive as of late in my opinion, however America is the epicenter of stupidity and lack of morals. Everything trickles down from America, you can see it in every facet of society globally, as American trends from years past are currently in style in other countries. I've never been to Australia, but I've traveled. I dare say there is a lot more hope for some countries (not all) other than my own. American children make me sick. I don't have a lot of time around foreign children, and you can't just label everyone either "American" or "non-American", but this country is in deep trouble my friend, and it runs much deeper than just making new laws.

Please do not believe the agenda that the problem here is the weapons themselves. When it comes to saving actual human lives, if that's the cause for someone to be so alarmed by firearms or firearm laws, why are these same people unconcerned with the countless other far more likely ways you can get killed in this country? Would it not make more sense to be concerned with something that kills far more people? Why is everyone concerned about the way you can get killed which is thousands of times less likely to kill you than your dinner or your car?

Everyone is concerned because they've been told they should be. Do not buy into the media machine please.

Also, I get tinnitus when my Lyme disease flares up.

[Scootertrash]

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[ironchop]

NOT picking on greenhuman with this reply. I see those same statements made all over the internet......

Australian culture and American culture are completely separate things. This is a culture issue and a societal issue.

Here is an example of the problem with "no guns, no violent crime" arguments

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936

London has a slightly smaller population than NYC, London has much tighter gun control than NYC and yet outpaced NYC for murders.....with knives. Gun control hasn't stopped violent crime at all.

If a kid kicks and beats your child to death at school will you feel better since at least your child wasn't shot? Nope

If a kid only kills one other child at school, will you feel better because at least it wasn't 20 kids? Nope

Does a gun ban stop a crazy teen from trying to burn down the school with everyone in it? Nope

Did lack of access to guns stop my own psychotic and heavily medicated troubled nephew from building a bomb to blow up his classmates that were bullying him at school? Nope. Thank God he got caught with it before he could set it off. Do you think they sent him home to my sister with a stern warning and an expulsion? Did they ban all Americans from having bombs so this can never happen again and say "problem solved"? No, they put him in inpatient treatment for a year. They addressed the problem. Taking away bombs wasn't going to fix his problems. Treating the issue is what will change him for the better and will keep his classmates safe from harm.

Children should not want to murder anyone. When children want to murder people and it's become commonplace, we have WAY bigger problems than gun access. That's my point.

Not. One. Single. Person. has mentioned treatment rather than touting the success of gun control and calling it "fixed"

We do the same with our combat vets. We are quick to take away a combat vets guns because he has PTSD and then make it nearly impossible for him/her to get any REAL and LASTING treatment for the underlying issue.

AR15s have been available to the public here in America since 1963. You could order them thru the mail, no background checks, no age restrictions. No ID. No school massacres. Matter of fact, school massacres didn't happen even remotely close to regularly with ANY kind of gun until the early 90s AFTER gun control was tightened.

Hi-cap mags..... Parkland shooter used 10rd mags because hi-caps "wouldn't fit in his bag without being seen". Can't blame hi-cap mags.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...202486304.html

AMERICA is ten times bigger than every European "gun ban" Utopia and three times bigger than Australia. Apples to oranges. I could say Aussies have a "bikie" war epidemic because MCs have much more instances of violence in Australia than MCs in Denmark but that wouldn't be fair to AU because it's ten times bigger and much more populated that Denmark. Again, the size of America and the population here is much larger, so if course there's more school shootings here. Our entire culture is shyte and violence. American third wave feminists are actively trying to destroy "toxic masculinity" (which means all masculinity) and relegate black males to prison and white males to the abyss of insignificance and Misandry. Male children and adults here are not allowed to have anything exclusive to them or even make-centric in focus....girls are. Boys can't be Girl Scouts unless transgendered but Girls can be Boy Scouts or else Lawsuits. Same with sports. Girls can join boys teams or sue for discrimination but boys can't join girls teams.....unless transgendered.

Do Australian kids spend six hours a day in first person shooter video games? Do Aussie children get indoctrinated in school to believe they should get anything they think they deserve so that when they don't, they flip out and use guns as a coping mechanism? Do Aussie doctors medicate millions of kids with anti-psychotics, anti-depressents, and legalized methamphetamine called Aderol for ADHD? Are Aussie parents banned from almost any form of punishment for their children? Does Aussie news media push agendas instead of facts or frequently twist facts and deify violent behavior? Do Aussie schools refrain from expelling children because it hurts their feelings? Do Aussie authorities ignore all the warnings and phone calls from concerned people BEFORE the shooting starts? Do Aussie children bully the hell out of each other online and in person relentlessly? Do armed Aussie school cops hide outside while Aussie kids shoot up their classroom? Are most Australian kids raised in single parent families? Are these single parents almost always female? Do Aussie fathers only get to visit their children after divorce 50 times a year? Or less? Do Aussie kids listen to music that extolls gun violence?

I'm asking honest questions because I don't know Aussie culture and society any more than you know American culture or Society. And entertainment/news media isn't an accurate barometer or indicator of real cultures anywhere, especially in a broad sense, or else I would be led to believe that bikies murder Aussies left and right and Neville Bartos got what was coming to him because Chopper Read is Robin Hood heroically saving Melbourne from those rotten drug dealers

Our culture is fed beliefs taught by the three most out-of-touch segments of society:
1) paid liars...we call them actors
2) elitist billionaires....we call them politicians
3) government propaganda artists....we call them journalists

This ain't cut and dried, black and white. I wish it was because if it was that simple, every American would just turn in their guns and all this would be over. All the law-abiding Americans, at least. You think all Aussies comply with your gun laws? I bet they don't. Teen kids in our most heavily gun controlled cities in America get guns even easier than these suburban punks and our gun violence rate there is much worse. African American kids have a different violence problem than Suburban white kids but they share one common denominator......lack of TAUGHT coping skills thus resorting to violence. No matter the tool of violence. Dead is dead. Not every school shooter can be swept into the "crazy pile" as some kids are pushed over the edge unless they learn to cope just like every suicidal teen is not crazy. Depressed, troubled, but not crazy and definitely NOT a lost cause or an acceptable casualty

More unarmed white people are shot by police here than blacks according to the FBIs own statistics but I'll bet Aussies don't hear that fact because Americans sure don't. I'll bet we aren't the only people who are being lied to by the media. Please try not to judge us until you know facts. Again, not being a dick, just asking for the benefit of the doubt and your media is no more accurate about American problems and the causes of those problems than our own media

Situation: I lock ten Australians in a tool shed together and tell all of you that two of your group is bent on anti-psychotic or Meth/Adderall meds and plotting to kill all the others......but I'm sure you feel safe because Australian gun control is effective so there's no need to worry, right? I already know your answer.

American teens love a fad....any fad. Matter of fact, for over forty years, American psychologists noticed that when one child commits suicide, others will follow soon after almost every time unless therapists step in and treat other kids. Copy-cat is a thing....even in adults. Making these kids infamous on the news is the very thing an antisocial, disenchanted, and Narcissistic teen child seeks. And our media reinforces that. Antisocial people seek negative attention.

I'm not trying to be a smartass but it's time for people to stop saying "it worked here, it must work everywhere" because that's nowhere near truth or reality. Two different nations founded on two different principles and governments by completely different kinds of people with completely different ideologies.

We're STILL missing the point.......you take away every gun on the effin planet......you're still left with a pile of pathetic children with ZERO coping skills and ZERO respect for the lives of other humans and ZERO empathy for each other.....so how the f#$&k has that fixed the problem with these kids and those personality disorders? It doesn't. It doesn't fix a damn thing and that's why I didn't want a gun control debate in this thread because it's still ignoring "The Bigger Picture"

Bans are simplistic, short term, short-sighted feel good non-solutions which still leaves the same problems completely unaddressed.

Give any antisocial loser a break open single barrel shotgun, 20 rds, no possible armed resistance and enough Klonipin to not give a damn and I'll bet you'll see 15 or more dead bodies.

My generation (1971-now) didn't grow up with school shootings and we didn't lose our minds over bullying or getting rejected by a girl or the cool kids lunch table. When we did resort to violence, it was with fists.... sometimes we would bite ......never had guns at school despite growing up with my own guns, loaded, on a rack in my bedroom since I was 14. Rural life rocks.




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[fabiodriven]

I heard about this roving gang in Australia, those of the likes you've never seen... They ride KZ1000's with straight pipes, all adorned with leather. Even an otherwise hapless housewife takes the occasional limb from time to time, it's crazy there. Poor Cundalini, he just wants his hand back.

https://youtu.be/tEIBWavc2Dg