The Bigger Picture

[Scootertrash]

Another great post by the 'chop!

Here's a list of massacres since the '1997 gun confiscation. You'll have to scroll down to '97, too big of a pain in the ass for me to try to copy/edit/paste it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_Australia

Interesting to note that there are still "mass shootings" in Australia.

Note: I completely disagree with the criteria they use to define a "Mass Shooting"

The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting" as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder".

Also interesting to note is an increase in arson related deaths after the gun ban/confiscation. Also as chop noted, if somebody really wants to kill someone, they'll find a way.

If only murder was illegal.

[Scootertrash]

F.B.I. UCR data for the United States

https://ucr.fbi.gov/

Number of murders with rifles for the last five years of completed data:

2012- 322 murders
2013- 285 murders
2014- 248 murders
2015-252 murders
2016- 374 murders

Total: 1,481 murders with rifles.

Number of murders in 2016 with knives or other cutting instruments:

1,604

Number of murders in 2016 with hands feet or fists:

656

Number of murders in 2016 with "other weapons:"

1,806

Arm yourselves with information and data.

There is very little actual threat from rifles. We are a nation of 330 million people. About 300 people per year are killed by criminals using rifles.

Even if the number was 10x the amount, it doesn't change the fact that the Second Amendment was designed to protect a citizen's right to self defense against tyranny.

There is a lot of other info out there regarding various ways people die other than "gun violence", like the CDC (Centers for Disease Control):

Drowning:

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreatio...factsheet.html

From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.

About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger. For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1 (If my math is correct that would be slightly over 700 annually.)

More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).

[Scootertrash]

I heard about this roving gang in Australia, those of the likes you've never seen... They ride KZ1000's with straight pipes, all adorned with leather. Even an otherwise hapless housewife takes the occasional limb from time to time, it's crazy there. Poor Cundalini, he just wants his hand back.

https://youtu.be/tEIBWavc2Dg

Don't forget these guys in the late 60's, terrorizing the beaches of California.




LOL @ "Carbon Monoxide Commandos"

[greenhuman]

These 10 Aussies are locked in a shed and two meth heads plot to kill everyone? Over here the two plotters will not pull dad's gun out of their duds and shoot everyone. I am still waiting to hear about the hero with a carry license stoping a massacre over there. It probably has happened but if it has I think that would be all over the news. We have all those things you asked about our society except the armed school cops. We don't even have school cops period. I am thinking it's like terrorists and nuclear weapons. If they could easily get their hands on them they would use them. I think you would find our two societies are more alike than you think except one is saturated with guns and the other is not. On a side note we have 28 million people and you have 300 million or There abouts.
Don't hate me. I like trikes too.

[ironchop]

These 10 Aussies are locked in a shed and two meth heads plot to kill everyone? Over here the two plotters will not pull dad's gun out of their duds and shoot everyone. I am still waiting to hear about the hero with a carry license stoping a massacre over there. It probably has happened but if it has I think that would be all over the news. We have all those things you asked about our society except the armed school cops. We don't even have school cops period. I am thinking it's like terrorists and nuclear weapons. If they could easily get their hands on them they would use them. I think you would find our two societies are more alike than you think except one is saturated with guns and the other is not. On a side note we have 28 million people and you have 300 million or There abouts.
Don't hate me. I like trikes too.

No no....I don't hate you. I'm not mad at you either. I actually have alot of respect for you. I'm honestly trying to figure out exactly why American kids want to kill their own classmates in growing numbers. Even granting that gun access makes it easier, it's still not right and something needs to be done outside of gun control or else the problem still exists.

Yes you have gun control and you still have crazies but I never heard much about school shootings in Australia even before gun control there. You guys must be doing something right raising your children because even with guns around before your bans, your kids weren't using guns to settle disputes in school unless I'm wrong.

Schools and churches both used to be safe spaces here but now they are favorite killing grounds. Something went off the rails somewhere

There are over 550,000,000 guns in this country. That's the ones they know of. It would take 200 yrs to find every one of these guns and melt them down if a total firearms ban was instituted tomorrow. That's 200 more years of escalating gun violence perpetuated by our society's most innocent and impressionable and 200 more years of dead innocent classmates because we melted all the guns, or so we thought, and we called it fixed.

There are instances all the time of CCW holders stopping mass attacks or even single attacks here. Most recently a guy (Muslim) in Nashville walked into a Christian church and started shooting but after he wounded two ppl, a concealed carry holder outside of the church stopped him after wounding him. He ran off to be captured shortly after. It made local Nashville news but never saw the light of day on the national news. This happens ALOT. If it doesn't fit the narrative, it doesn't get airtime. And you can't portray a Muslim immigrant committing terrorist violence against Christian folks being stopped by a common citizen with a gun, because it casts a shadow on Muslim immigration AND promotes the "common man saves people with a gun" narrative. Our news media has been on the take for years...

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveFran...403314176?s=09

Suddenly they all networks unite and read off some kind of script because Americans are waking up from the propaganda stream so now their focus is to discredit alternative news sources by calling them all "fake news"....is there fake news here? Sure but it accounts for ten percent of alternative media sources that are not all owned by the same six corporations. They are out to destroy any way we have to get objective and truthful information here at all costs including uniting to read off the same script. Who write the script and how does one script get shared across several networks that are supposed to be independent to each other.... especially Fox who touts itself as the child, the rebel news source, the opposition. Fake opposition so that Americans believe they have a choice when we really don't

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[ironchop]

Here...armed citizens who stopped armed criminals bent in mass shootings

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08...s-shooter.html

I was wrong, Nashville shooter did get a little more national coverage than I realized...

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...er-gun-his-own

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...a14_story.html

https://www.denverpost.com/2007/12/1...e-shot-gunman/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/multim...d-bad-guy-gun/

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...297176271.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/26...n-arrests.html

http://m.citizensvoice.com/news/poli...tron-1.1370815

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/172...tanburg-church

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...419-story.html

I can find more if you need, greenhuman.

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[greenhuman]

Me and the family are coming over there next month for a few weeks. Think we will be ok? I do have a concealed pea shooter license lol.

[ironchop]

Me and the family are coming over there next month for a few weeks. Think we will be ok? I do have a concealed pea shooter license lol.

Yes you should be fine although there are certain areas in certain large cities where far more people are shot and killed every day than are killed on any given day in a school or church...again those areas have a strong racial component but the media ignores these areas because it's not PC to report gun homicides in these areas.... it's considered racist or denegrating by our "leadership"

The problem with that approach as well, is that it perpetuates more violence by burying our heads in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist so as not to offend (mostly people who don't even live there but like to play social justice warrior in their spare time).

In my opinion, it's far more racist to ignore the plight of the innocent adults and children of these areas because it offends upper class progressive whites and people of color both who don't live anywhere near these neighborhoods. African American and other people of color deserve to have their issues pushed to the forefront and dealt with on a national level just the same as white suburban families, regardless of who it offends but the media seems intent on only profiling any gun violence that happens to black folks at the hands of police officers. Apparently, unarmed blacks can be shot more often by other armed black folks and for some reason it isn't worth even noting (it has to do with sowing civil unrest to further political agendas)...every day minority teens are gunned down but again, the media only cares if the perpetrator might be a police officer or the victims are some suburban white kids and a child named named David Hogg[emoji767] and Company...LLC

Hypothetically:

Aliens show up and beam all the guns in the world to Mars.....

I still want to know how to get children to stop hating each other enough to murder and I want to know how we can remove the moral decay here and teach kids to respect human life and have empathy for others. THAT is what will change the world for the better.

Kids that want to kill just grow up to be adults that want to kill. We already have enough of those kind of adults to deal with.

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[fabiodriven]

Since the topic of race has been brought up multiple times, here are the truthful statistics in regards to black people and violence. Yes, it's a 20 minute video, but it's 20 minutes of some rather startling information. Nobody cares about this though. I deactivated my bookface again last week, time for another break, but before I did that I had posted this video and it got absolutely no attention.

As I've said, this country has a people problem as opposed to a gun problem, but if you want to be specific and your true concern is for human lives, the cause of lives lost should be your first concern even if the true cause hurts people's feelings. That's the problem with this country, putting people's feelings ahead of the greater good.

I'm not a racist person, but the truth is black people are a huge part of our problem, and if you take the time to look at the statistics, they will clearly show you that.

https://youtu.be/dm_Vv3Q24uQ

[Scootertrash]

Heh, all these shootings are too convenient.

1. George Soros pulls 18 bil out of his own wallet and it vanishes into his network.
2. Mass shootings galore
3. Pre-written awb bills introduced in various states
4. Pre-planned and pre-paid(before shootings took place) protests staged then executed after shootings occur.
5. Wolf Blitzer drooling over everything.

[fabiodriven]

Scooter I hope you don't mind my saying, your views seem to have come around a bit in my opinion. There are a lot of things we both see the same way lately. I feel like you used to be a lot more rigid in your beliefs and took a lot of things for face value.

[Scootertrash]

I've always believed that there are things going on that we don't know about pertaining to the Elites that run everything. Some that are so far off the charts evil and perverse that most people couldn't handle it and wouldn't believe it if it were exposed.

I do have a habit of playing devil's advocate. Question everything. Everything.

I've posted about Soros before. I truly believe he is behind lots of this stuff. He made millions crashing the economy of Great Britain and he wants to do the same with the U.S.:

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/201...-george-soros/

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct.../oe-ehrenfeld4

There is allegedly all kinds of things going on behind the scenes since Novemberish, about the time of the LV shooting. Some of it makes me want to reach for the tinfoil, but yet there are enough "coincidences" to keep me cautiously optimistic. I think it's going to be an interesting Summer.

Your posts about this country having a people problem are spot on. I don't think this country is fvcked. Yet. Turning things around could be potentially messy. I'm sure most of us would prefer that doesn't happen, but there are a lot of people with A LOT to lose. People with the power, money, and connections to try to crush any attempt to disrupt or foil their plans. But I'm fairly certain you already knew that.

This latest tactic of Leftists using kids to promote an agenda is nothing new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol

The Komsomol had little direct influence on the Communist Party or on the government of the Soviet Union, but it played an important role as a mechanism for teaching the values of the CPSU to youngsters. The Komsomol also served as a mobile pool of labor and political activism, with the ability to relocate to areas of high-priority at short notice. Active members received privileges and preferences in promotion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth

The Hitler Youth were used to break up Church youth groups, and in anti-Church indoctrination, used to spy on religious classes and Bible studies,[18] and interfere with church attendance. Education and training programs for the Hitler Youth were designed to undermine the values of the traditional elitist structures of German society along with their privileges; their training also aimed at an obliteration of social and intellectual distinctions between the classes, so as to be replaced and dominated by the political goals of Hitler's totalitarian dictatorship. Besides promoting a doctrine of classlessness, additional training was provided that linked state-identified enemies such as Jews with Germany's previous defeat in the First World War, and societal decline.

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”― Adolf Hitler

As soon as David Hogg, Emma Gonazalez and the others have depleted their usefulness they'll be kicked to the curb for the next round of useful idiots.

[Scootertrash]

Since the topic of race has been brought up multiple times, here are the truthful statistics in regards to black people and violence. Yes, it's a 20 minute video, but it's 20 minutes of some rather startling information. Nobody cares about this though. I deactivated my bookface again last week, time for another break, but before I did that I had posted this video and it got absolutely no attention.

As I've said, this country has a people problem as opposed to a gun problem, but if you want to be specific and your true concern is for human lives, the cause of lives lost should be your first concern even if the true cause hurts people's feelings. That's the problem with this country, putting people's feelings ahead of the greater good.

I'm not a racist person, but the truth is black people are a huge part of our problem, and if you take the time to look at the statistics, they will clearly show you that.

https://youtu.be/dm_Vv3Q24uQ

Excellent video.

I followed both Trayvon's and Michael's trails the best I could. During both trials the evidence came out that both boys were at fault for their demise. But you didn't see it in the media.

Trayvon was actually at his girlfriends townhouse safe and sound and went back to "Kick that honkeys azz" or something like that. He dint no Darwin was out there too.....

ETA: Here's a point of view from a black woman:

[Scootertrash]

March 2018 gun sales eclipse previous March record

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-march-record/

“Background checks for gun sales shattered a record in March while celebrities and Parkland gun control activists pushed for more restrictions on Second Amendment rights.
The previous record for March was 2,523,265 background checks in 2016, but FBI numbers show there were 2,767,699 background checks in March 2018.”

[Scootertrash]