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    In case you didn't already know, you can just buy loose balls bearings from a whole lot of places. I don't remember the size, but it's common. I keep a bag of grade 5 around for those. That may be a bit overkill, but grade 5 won't cost you much, if any more than the lower grades.

    Grade 5 are very round, rounder than lower grades. It sounds weird spelling it out, saying it out loud.

    As long as the races are good, not indentations or major wear, new bearing balls are all you need. There may be some seals, but lets be real, even when new they weren't doing much. Steering bearings are a regular maintenance item anyway.



    Good on you for keeping the chaincase. I'd prefer to leave them on everything, but some of the places I ride will just damage them anyway. Most, if not all of the hartails had some type of cush drive on the rear sprocket, and keeping as much dirt out of that as possible helps them live longer. The chains stay cleaner, except if going through a lot of deeper water.

    Chain tension has to be regularly checked. A loose, sagging chain will wreck the lower part of the guard in a hurry. So will worn axle bearings, but they'll wear the dust guard on the axle into the chaincase, usually cutting a crescent shape in it.

    Then there's the rubber plugs. On the OEM ones, if still there, and not in the heat of summer, I'll warm them up with a heat gun before removing or replacing, to make it easier but to also avoid damaging them.

    To make life easier, I use only the highest quality chain. The less it needs adjusted, the less the risk of damaging the chaincase. Since it can't be seen, and lubing and adjusting is more involved than a typical exposed chain, there's a better chance the service intervals are going past what they should.

    I have a small stack of them. Some need repair, some just need refinished. I really like them, but they're just not practical for much beyond farm work and very easy riding.

    On the horizontal engine trikes, like a 110, I'll absolutely do everything I can to keep one on. Because of the way those are built, with the stamped steel frames, the chain is completely exposed. They also have a tensioner for adjustment and it's quick to use. Running one of those through tall grass, like through a pasture, without the chain cover, can allow the tall grass to build up around the axle seal and compromise it, shortening the bearing lifespan.

    I'll say it's like what I call hub hair on a bicycle. Most people would be surprised how much hair collects around bicycle hub seals. That's typically more of an issue on a women's bike.
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    I never thought about women's hair in the bike hub but it sure seems likely.
    I have seen several vacuum cleaners that failed due to long hair wrapping around inside of them as well as shower drains clogging but thats for a different forum.

    When I was riding 3 wheelers in the 1980's an early 1990's I replaced a few steering stem bearings with the ball bearings.
    Not much fun using all that grease to keep the balls from falling out as you reassemble the triple clamps.
    All balls and some others have tapered roller bearing kits for the vintage bikes and 3 wheelers that seems to work pretty good.
    I completely agree with using a high quality chain to minimize adjustment intervals.
    I have always felt like the hardtails do not stretch a chain as much as full suspension does.
    The chain theoretically only moves around the sprockets but not up and down but I am sure there is some movement from all of the bouncing.
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    The tapered roller kits are nice, but if trying to save some money, just replacing the balls is still a proper choice. The price tends to be much more reasonable if just buying them from a bearing source. The people selling them as specific ATC pieces are just taking advantage of the buyers who don't do, or don't care to do any research. I've had the same bag of bearings for years because I bought a large bag of them to get a better price.

    What happens a lot of times is they are run loose and the stem and races become damaged. That's where the choice to use tapered may be better. I also don't trust cheap bearing races, like may come in some of the loose ball kits. They may not be hard enough or improperly machined, wrong radius and those types of issues.

    It's also a very poor practice to mix and match used with new loose bearings, or even from different batches. I don't think I've ever pulled a fork that likely had original bearings that weren't worn or damaged and in need of replacement. The steering stem bearings are a very neglected maintenance item and that's across all the vehicles that have them.

    It's not as noticeable on an ATC, but when motorcycle bearings have wear it really affects the steering and most people don't understand what's going on, just that something doesn't feel right. Typically, they get a type of detent (there's a name for it) where they want to settle in one spot and it causes a notchy feeling with any degree of rotation just off center. It's not so much dangerous as it is annoying, and throws the handling off. If bad enough or on a particular bike, it could lead to a dangerous situation, but that just means they should have been replaced a long time ago.
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    Progress has been slow while waiting on parts but the carb and airbox have been installed.
    I also started the engine and it sounds decent.
    The wiring coming out from the stator and up to the frame back bone is fairly messy.
    What do you guys use to neaten the wiring up?
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    You can use PVC sheathing, like what the harnesses came in from Honda, if you want it to be easier and look better.

    Wrapping with electrical tape is alright and gets the job done but it's more difficult to make look good and if there's every a wiring issue, all the tape has to be unwrapped. With sheathing, the connectors can be removed and the wires pulled out, making repairs easier and cleaner.

    The great availability and low cost of most wiring products for vintage Japanese motorcycles and ATVs makes it so that junking up a harness with blue splices and terribly wrapped wires with cheap tape is a giant step backwards in time, cost, dependability, and appearance. Now, it's easier and often cost less to just buy the proper products and do it right.
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    A little more progress this week.
    The rear end is now complete and the airbox & filter are installed.
    Steering stem bearings, flushing the tank and a new petcock should get it going.
    There is rain forecasted for NC all weekend so I plan to finish wrap this up.
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    The 185s is now running and riding.
    I still need to do a few small things but it goes and stops so at least it is useful.
    As luck would have it just as I was finishing this up a 185s parts machine was for sale near me so I grabbed it.
    It has 3 good tires, a rear rack and a funky headlight guard which I have never seen one like it before.
    After doing some research I think it is actually meant to fit on a 1st gen ATC250R.
    Between the 2 headlights I should be able to make one that works so this was a good score for the money.
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    I think this is as far as I am going with this one for now.
    I may correct a few small items later on down the road.
    I can't believe that these old Ohtsu XA-801 rear tires still hold air and have not been leaking down.
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