185s/200s rear axle bearing carrier

[Footy]

Does anyone know if a 1983 ATC 1855S and a 1984 ATC 200 S use the same rear axle bearing carrier and rear brakes? I have an opportunity to purchase a 200 S bearing carrier with fresh bearings in it and fresh brakes but I do not know if it will fit my 1983, 185S. Thanks in advance if anyone knows this for certain.

[oldskool83]

PARTZILLA.COM start learning to look the stuff up. most of everything is all the same Part numbers wont lie. Not trying to sound rude but I use this feature all the time.

[Footy]

PARTZILLA.COM start learning to look the stuff up. most of everything is all the same Part numbers wont lie. Not trying to sound rude but I use this feature all the time.

You are exactly right. I looked it up on RMATVMC. Rear Bearings and brakes are the same part number. Rear axle bearing carrier and rear sprocket are not the same part numbers.
Thats is why i asked here because I was hoping there was a chance that some one here had tried this before. I think this will work but I am not willing to gamble on it when it involves money and shipping.

[shortline10]

I believe the carriers will swap for all the 185-200 models but the brake drum setup is different , covers exc , thus the different part numbers .

[Dirtcrasher]

Many times there are parts that will work if you use the parts that they normally work with; Or maybe you just need a shim, or a bushing, or some other small change such as a different oil seal. This can be very helpful, such as when you can't find a decent rear axle for your exact model anywhere, but there's another you can use with a few modifications. I kept telling people I could run a first gen 200X axle (and others) in a 2nd gen but they wouldn't listen. I'll often buy a part that's in horrible condition just to get some measurements off of it. Because asking other people can be hit or miss as they may say they've done it but have no input, very often there's conflicting information out there and after you spend your money and it doesn't work, and the guy who said it does won't answer you... As an example for swaps almost all Honda rear axles use 2 different bearing sizes, a 6007 or a 6908. Of course splines change, the length of the splines change, the width changes, hubs must match the axle, but if you can be creative the axles all slide into the same housing and you can often figure out everything else.

[Footy]

Many times there are parts that will work if you use the parts that they normally work with; Or maybe you just need a shim, or a bushing, or some other small change such as a different oil seal. This can be very helpful, such as when you can't find a decent rear axle for your exact model anywhere, but there's another you can use with a few modifications. I kept telling people I could run a first gen 200X axle (and others) in a 2nd gen but they wouldn't listen. I'll often buy a part that's in horrible condition just to get some measurements off of it. Because asking other people can be hit or miss as they may say they've done it but have no input, very often there's conflicting information out there and after you spend your money and it doesn't work, and the guy who said it does won't answer you... As an example for swaps almost all Honda rear axles use 2 different bearing sizes, a 6007 or a 6908. Of course splines change, the length of the splines change, the width changes, hubs must match the axle, but if you can be creative the axles all slide into the same housing and you can often figure out everything else.

This makes good sense. If I had a parts machine I could swap out multiple parts to make it work if necessary.
Thanks.

[ATC King]

If you're just going for functional over model correct, sure, it'll go in there. As already mentioned, there may be a washer/shim that needs moving around.

The 185S and 200S frames are dimensionally the same AFAIK. The 200S frame seat rails are different for the different fender styles and the 200S frame has a couple extra gussets the 185S doesn't. I've made total mutts out of boxes of parts from both and at this point have little idea which part is which unless I get them out and really look.

What I've come to understand is the later 185/200 hardtails that use the sprocket with the cush rubbers built into it are swap-able but the brake drum covers can be different, sealed and non sealed, some have raised indentations and some don't. They use the same bearings and brake shoes though and have the iron-lined aluminum brake drums.

The earlier ones had the sprocket carriers instead with the rubber cylinders inside. Those were different and used the older steel brake drums. The bearing may have been the same but the axles are completely different even if the carrier will bolt to other frames. Have to have the whole axle assembly to make that work on machines it wasn't intended for.


A big question mark is if what you're looking at is 100% correctly identified by the seller and original. There were many minuscule changes each year even if it's just the style of brake cable wingnut or style of brake drum seal although both fit and function the same. These trikes have often been filtered through the hands of po' folk during the years who just threw whatever parts they could on something to making it rideable and anyone wanting to insure they have model specific parts has to do some good research if they already don't know for certain what they're looking at.

There's a LOT of mislabeled parts on F***book and Ebay.

[oldskool83]

Thanks for not taking my comment as rude. Its hard to get people to think outside the box but these online sites really help. Its funny even some parts that's are 100% the same will bring crazy money on ebay and FB...like banshee rear master cylinders...which is the same as warrior...but warrior brings nothing. Guys are clueless on how to save money. Everyone things everything model specific.

[Footy]

Thanks for not taking my comment as rude. Its hard to get people to think outside the box but these online sites really help. Its funny even some parts that's are 100% the same will bring crazy money on ebay and FB...like banshee rear master cylinders...which is the same as warrior...but warrior brings nothing. Guys are clueless on how to save money. Everyone things everything model specific.

Honestly I am just thankful for a knowledgeable reply. F-book has killed nearly all of the great ATV forums. So glad this one is still active.
Cannondale and the first generation canam renegade and outlander used the same brake calipers which I found out in a time of needing to find a part in a hurry.

[oldskool83]

I can't stand the fb groups. The about of comments do not allow for real technical detail. Fb has prob helped more people get into the sport but the newer generations just don't have the drive and attention to detail.

The forums will dominate that.