Voltage drop at starter.

[ps2fixer]

Lol, I see, I'm massive on details, so I don't view the 200E and 200ES the same nor so I count the 250ES the same even though they are all big reds and that's the progression over the history. Like the 200E is a chain drive model, 200ES is shaft drive, and 250ES has a completely different design. For someone that is new to this, they'd have no idea of that, then they potentially could start spreading misinformation because they weren't well informed. I'm on the facebook stuff some mostly for business, and I'm the one that calls people out on incorrect info when I'm near 100% sure. I don't want to be like I'm changing facebook, but it seems like in the groups I'm most active in, there's a lot less bad info being posted now. I've seen other people starting to do the same thing too so it wasn't only my efforts or anything like that. Maybe I just like to debate things or something, just cold hard facts can't be wrong like the truth is always the truth, but it's possible two people can say two different things and both be correct too.

So funny thing about the Einstein thing, his second marriage was to his cousin and they stayed together till her death. I believe there's a whole lot more people that are "smart" or "genius" level intelligence, just so many people waste their abilities and make nothing of their self. Like the guy that was counted as the smartest kid in my class was a little math wiz, was all into space and science, etc. Planned for college and all of that. Like 5 years ago I ran into a family member of his and said he's been in jail more than he's been out, he's not smart at all. Motives must have changed, I think drugs got involved, etc. Just destroyed his potential to work for NASA like he was dreaming of.

My goals in life were really simple, I liked working on things, I liked computers, so I wanted to fix computers as a living. Legit I effectively accidentally got my first job doing exactly that, repaired computers, printers, networking, other specialized equipment (to our limited allowance) and quit after 5 years to 50% increase my pay to a database admin, that business was ran terribly and saw the writing on the wall really early. Quit after a year, like 3 months later business was sold and my whole department was fired. Now I'm self employed (since 2013), and the college degree basically is doing nothing for me lol. I don't think I'm too special in the intelligence department, just I have a thing where I tend to hyper focus on things I have interest in, but can't focus on things I have no interest in (legit fall asleep). I do programming, and almost all programmers have some sort of mental thing, ADD, ADHD, etc, I'm sure I'm in that category one way or another but never been tested and won't be taking drugs to stop it, it's a pro and con about me, no point in changing who I am though.

I grew up next door to a kid a little older than me that was counted as mentally retarded. I treated him like I would anyone else. He talked a little different but I could understand him no problem. He might not have the learning ability for the standard school stuff, but man that kid was a genius at identifying year, make, and model of cars. I think he even knew the engines and such at like 11 years old. He didn't grow up with any car people in the family of my understanding, he just liked hotwheels and he looked at the cars on the road and learnt them. He was weak in one area, but very strong in other area's. I've noticed that trend with a lot of people that were counted as "not smart" in school, but they were smart in other areas, they just didn't have interest in the normal school stuff. Btw, I did pretty average, if not slightly poor in school, most subjects I had no interest in and a lot of the time I'd fall asleep no matter how hard I tried to pay attention. In computer class though, never fell asleep in there once, always was going above and beyond requirements for work, easy A for me and was basically effortless (in my mind at least).

I haven't looked into the Lithium Ion based atv batteries much, but of my understanding there's 3 big factors for quality. The BMS quality (how well it maintains the battery, balances cells, current limit for charging + discharging, temp protections, etc), the actual cell model/brand like no name Chinese cells tend to have much less capacity and quality vs a name brand like Samsung or Panasonic which are common in Laptop batteries and power tool batteries. Then the last is the actual build quality, how good the spot welds are, the nickle strip thickness/width, things like that.

Lithium Ion should have less voltage sag while cranking, and keep the voltage higher for longer even while the battery is getting low. Basically the same effect you see on power tool batteries from today vs the past. Should be able to mount them in any orientation to, just have to mount it so it doesn't get physically damaged or move around too much. If it's the same price as a standard lead acid I'd be questioning the quality of the lithium iron battery, or if the lead acid is being over priced. The price differences is still a fair bit apart at least on the larger side of things.

5.1 kwh lithium battery 48v runs around $1250 now (I paid $1500 for mine which is a name brand but Chinese unit). A 100ah 12v lead acid battery of a quality brand runs round $300 vs $170 for a cheap branded one and this puts you at 1.2 kwh, so you need 4.25 to break even which is around $1200 for 4 which also ends up at 48v. Catcher with lead acid is you should only use 50% of the capacity max, so would have to double it to get the true capacity out of it with out damaging the batteries over time, so I guess low end lead acid and lithium iron are hitting a roughly break even point at larger scale which is real interesting. Crazy how the numbers change so much in like 3 years lol. Btw, it's really nice having 12+hr of backup power as a battery backup system =). It's instant too, so nothing on it even blips, but it's not exactly a cheap setup either. I do everything online for my business so computers + internet etc is pretty critical to keep online for me.

Either case, defo interested in hearing more about the atv lithium batteries, like how they perform in the cold. The power tools seem to be more or less fine, but it's not as easy to pull the battery from inside the warm house to get more power out of it. Should be a good option for car batteries too if it doesn't get too cold.

Another neat tech for batteries are super capacitors, but they don't store much energy, you only get one or two attempts before it runs out of juice and they self discharge fairly quick if I remember right. Good for something that's driven often, bad for something driven once a week. I've also heard of hybrid versions of these where they have a lithium ion battery paired with the super capacitors, you charge up the capacitors, fire up the vehicle, and go. If it doesn't start, you have the lithium ion battery to charge the super capacitors up several times so can get away with a much smaller battery since a super capacitor can put out insane amps.

[ATC King]

I think we're pretty alike, and also ruined this thread.

I'm a high school dropout with a college degree.


For a short time, a runaway. Drinking booze, while underage, with some stranger under a bridge, in another state.

It's something of a miracle I live to adulthood.

I've made it a bit of a point to pick up stragglers, but the last time I let a hitchhiker ride with me it stunk my truck up for a couple weeks. That was the last of it. Before that I had no issues and I've give them some money. It isn't the same anymore. It's not the same type of people.