110 wheels options

[Cjwebb92]

Trying to save a 83 110 , came out a barn and had been in there over 20 years .. but it's missing wheels and a few other bits buts rolling is the first job . is there anything other than stock that fits ?

[ATC King]

AMS sells a popular steel wheel with the correct pattern, but offset is the only choice. Will only work on the rear. The rear hubs can be swapped for something with a 4x100 pattern, which opens up the majority of aftermarket and OEM wheel choices because so many machines use that hub size.

Front will have to be from a Honda ATC or zero offset, which is a little more difficult to find aftermarket, especially in the 4x130mm bolt pattern. There were some zero offset, 8" aluminum front wheels on Ebay, with the 130mm pattern, don't know if they still are. People are charging the same or more for crusty OE wheels than what the new aluminum was priced at.


Edit: Here's the DWT 8"x8", zero offset, 4x130 wheel.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38536980371...temCondition=3

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AMS sells a popular steel wheel with the correct pattern, but offset is the only choice. Will only work on the rear. The rear hubs can be swapped for something with a 4x100 pattern, which opens up the majority of aftermarket and OEM wheel choices because so many machines use that hub size.

Front will have to be from a Honda ATC or zero offset, which is a little more difficult to find aftermarket, especially in the 4x130mm bolt pattern. There were some zero offset, 8" aluminum front wheels on Ebay, with the 130mm pattern, don't know if they still are. People are charging the same or more for crusty OE wheels than what the new aluminum was priced at.


Edit: Here's the DWT 8"x8", zero offset, 4x130 wheel.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38536980371...temCondition=3

I’m sure you meant 4x110mm as the common Honda bolt pattern , 4x100 is std golf cart and small trailer

[ATC King]

Good catch. Yes, I meant 110. It saves some issues by just swapping over to a 110 pattern, not being stuck having to use the odd 130 pattern wheels.


With what people are asking for janky OE wheels, just buying new is a better option if not concerned with staying stock. For the same price, or maybe even less, replacing the stock steel wheels with aluminum is a big upgrade, quite a bit lower weight. Not so much of a weight savings though if replacing the rear hubs with the heavy cast aftermarket ones. About a pound lighter per side if using the typical aftermarket hubs. the Stock hubs are much lighter weight, and the typical aftermarket wheels already have an offset, if wanting it a little wider. Now, if going full stupid, way over-the-top, some of those fancy aluminum hubs would be nice, but they also have a fitting price. I think with those, it may save nearly four pounds (both sides together) over stock wheels and hubs. That's rotational weight and lowering that improves acceleration.

I have posted wheel, tire, and hub weights for some brands, but would have to look for it. That's a bit overkill, but I like data.

This 110 of mine has DWT Blue Label rear wheels. They were on it when I got it. It looks like someone drilled them for the 130 pattern. They must have had something to go by, or they were just really good at getting everything lined up correctly and drilled by hand, because they're completely true, not off-center any. If the stock rings fit inside the DWT wheels, they could have used that as a template. That's an option, to drill a larger pattern, IF the stock hubs will fit inside the bell.

[Cjwebb92]

Good catch. Yes, I meant 110. It saves some issues by just swapping over to a 110 pattern, not being stuck having to use the odd 130 pattern wheels.


With what people are asking for janky OE wheels, just buying new is a better option if not concerned with staying stock. For the same price, or maybe even less, replacing the stock steel wheels with aluminum is a big upgrade, quite a bit lower weight. Not so much of a weight savings though if replacing the rear hubs with the heavy cast aftermarket ones. About a pound lighter per side if using the typical aftermarket hubs. the Stock hubs are much lighter weight, and the typical aftermarket wheels already have an offset, if wanting it a little wider. Now, if going full stupid, way over-the-top, some of those fancy aluminum hubs would be nice, but they also have a fitting price. I think with those, it may save nearly four pounds (both sides together) over stock wheels and hubs. That's rotational weight and lowering that improves acceleration.

I have posted wheel, tire, and hub weights for some brands, but would have to look for it. That's a bit overkill, but I like data.

This 110 of mine has DWT Blue Label rear wheels. They were on it when I got it. It looks like someone drilled them for the 130 pattern. They must have had something to go by, or they were just really good at getting everything lined up correctly and drilled by hand, because they're completely true, not off-center any. If the stock rings fit inside the DWT wheels, they could have used that as a template. That's an option, to drill a larger pattern, IF the stock hubs will fit inside the bell.

Thanks for the reply guys! Appreciate it .

This is only my 2nd 3 wheeler so real novice right now , so swapping to a 4x110 pattern what would they be coming off a 200 ?

[ATC King]

None of hardtails had a 4x110 pattern.

If looking at used wheels, keep in mind the ATC185,ATC200, ATC200M, ATC200E, ATC200ES have the 9" wheels and 150mm pattern.

The four bolt ATC110, ATC125, ATC125M, ATC185S, and ATC200S have the 8" and 130 pattern.

The last letter, or lack of one is the difference on the 185/200 trikes. A 185 and 185S are completely different, basically just sharing the engine. Same for the 200 and 200S. That's what hangs a lot of people up.

Both 125 use the same wheel size, but the 125 and 125M are totally different trikes, engine and everything.


If you're trying to do it as cheap as possible there are ATV lug pattern charts out there. Find one of those and you can see what other ATVs used. I think some Suzuki quads used a 4x130 wheel, but that may have just been on the front. ATC parts on Ebay are expensive, but not so much for other brands, which is why you can possibly save some by doing just a little research. Even if they are 9" or 10" wheels, you can still use them, just look for stock 22" diameter tire if you don't want to change ride height. Of course, research that beforehand, to make sure what tire sizes are available for different rim diameters.

The factory wheels have no offset, they are centered. Most aftermarket wheels in these bolts patterns are going to have an offset, so they are only for the rear, but keep in mind that if you use an offset wheel, most of the standard type aftermarket 4x110 hubs will also increase width. Just the wheels may be 2"-4" total width increase, then the hubs may add another 2"-4".

Last time I really beat on a 110 was a 100lbs ago. I'm pretty certain they wont hold up if I rode them like that anymore, but they did back then. I never had anything wider than stock though, and can only guess what the limit is. I feel like towards 8" is a bit much except for parade riding. Maybe someone lighter weight and with a wide 110 has some input.

Do know that if you change hubs to 4x110, the lugs are most likely larger, so you'll also need lug nuts, because the stock ATC ones won't fit. The modern aftermarket wheels I know of will be for the larger lugs, so other than double checking that, I don't thing you'd have any issues there. 8mm stock and 10mm for the newer stuff.


I feel like I'm missing something and gave to much information. There's all kinds of ways to do it, but you can't change the front wheel size as easily as the rear, so if you want to keep it level you'll have to work within the constraints of available tire sizes. If there are some other wheel sizes for a 4x130 pattern, and centered, there can't be many choices, and I can't think of any off-hand. That's over-complicating it and likely adding to the expense, so just sticking with stock on the front and whatever you like on the back usually works out fine for most people.

Someone can spend five hours researching things, maybe trying to save a few bucks, or they can spend thirty minutes ordering parts. The same thought that goes through my head every time I start a project or have an expensive repair.

[Cjwebb92]

None of hardtails had a 4x110 pattern.

If looking at used wheels, keep in mind the ATC185,ATC200, ATC200M, ATC200E, ATC200ES have the 9" wheels and 150mm pattern.

The four bolt ATC110, ATC125, ATC125M, ATC185S, and ATC200S have the 8" and 130 pattern.

The last letter, or lack of one is the difference on the 185/200 trikes. A 185 and 185S are completely different, basically just sharing the engine. Same for the 200 and 200S. That's what hangs a lot of people up.

Both 125 use the same wheel size, but the 125 and 125M are totally different trikes, engine and everything.


If you're trying to do it as cheap as possible there are ATV lug pattern charts out there. Find one of those and you can see what other ATVs used. I think some Suzuki quads used a 4x130 wheel, but that may have just been on the front. ATC parts on Ebay are expensive, but not so much for other brands, which is why you can possibly save some by doing just a little research. Even if they are 9" or 10" wheels, you can still use them, just look for stock 22" diameter tire if you don't want to change ride height. Of course, research that beforehand, to make sure what tire sizes are available for different rim diameters.

The factory wheels have no offset, they are centered. Most aftermarket wheels in these bolts patterns are going to have an offset, so they are only for the rear, but keep in mind that if you use an offset wheel, most of the standard type aftermarket 4x110 hubs will also increase width. Just the wheels may be 2"-4" total width increase, then the hubs may add another 2"-4".

Last time I really beat on a 110 was a 100lbs ago. I'm pretty certain they wont hold up if I rode them like that anymore, but they did back then. I never had anything wider than stock though, and can only guess what the limit is. I feel like towards 8" is a bit much except for parade riding. Maybe someone lighter weight and with a wide 110 has some input.

Do know that if you change hubs to 4x110, the lugs are most likely larger, so you'll also need lug nuts, because the stock ATC ones won't fit. The modern aftermarket wheels I know of will be for the larger lugs, so other than double checking that, I don't thing you'd have any issues there. 8mm stock and 10mm for the newer stuff.


I feel like I'm missing something and gave to much information. There's all kinds of ways to do it, but you can't change the front wheel size as easily as the rear, so if you want to keep it level you'll have to work within the constraints of available tire sizes. If there are some other wheel sizes for a 4x130 pattern, and centered, there can't be many choices, and I can't think of any off-hand. That's over-complicating it and likely adding to the expense, so just sticking with stock on the front and whatever you like on the back usually works out fine for most people.

Someone can spend five hours researching things, maybe trying to save a few bucks, or they can spend thirty minutes ordering parts. The same thought that goes through my head every time I start a project or have an expensive repair.

That's great help thank you very much .great help ! Il just have to wait for some to turn up on ebay . Not much comes up for sale here so it will just be a waiting game .

[ATC King]

That's what we hear a lot. Over there it's more of a waiting game for parts or to spend the dinero to get them shipped over water.

In this situation though, you have a choice for new, non ATC specific parts, so you're not stuck with waiting.


I look at the UK Ebay, for things we can't get over here, like a Honda XL200 Dakar. Electric start, manual clutch engine, that should fit into an ATC.

Found this one, but the shipping would kill me.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/226791896...temCondition=4

Someone over there sells a bearing cam, big valve head for the 200 engines. I think they used to be listed on the US Ebay, but not anymore (?).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/277034283...Bk9SR5bo95XmZQ

I'm always checking out Italy, France, India, and occasionally some Eastern European countries for various vehicle parts.

There are company websites like Webike, that are in multiple countries. I don't know if they offer the same parts all over the world, but I don't think so. The US, Taiwan, and Japan Webike websites may have different parts availability, which is common. Can't directly buy Japan market only bike parts in the US, have to find an importer or individual to handle it.

The great thing is Honda used the same engine design for a lot of machines, but with some changes for the intended market. Like how some South American countries got cool smaller bikes that were never available in the US. Quite a few Honda machines are built in Brazil, even some models sold in the US. There's several variations of the 100cc-200cc engines, and even until the 2000's, they will bolt up to machines back into the 80's and maybe even the 70's. It's easy enough to buy a Chinese engine, but it'd be cool to swap in a Honda engine from another market.

Learning what was available, in which market, opens up more possibilities. I do waste some time looking, but I take notes.

[Cjwebb92]

That's what we hear a lot. Over there it's more of a waiting game for parts or to spend the dinero to get them shipped over water.

In this situation though, you have a choice for new, non ATC specific parts, so you're not stuck with waiting.

I look at the UK Ebay, for things we can't get over here, like a Honda XL200 Dakar. Electric start, manual clutch engine, that should fit into an ATC.

Found this one, but the shipping would kill me.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/226791896...temCondition=4

Someone over there sells a bearing cam, big valve head for the 200 engines. I think they used to be listed on the US Ebay, but not anymore (?).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/277034283...Bk9SR5bo95XmZQ

I'm always checking out Italy, France, India, and occasionally some Eastern European countries for various vehicle parts.

There are company websites like Webike, that are in multiple countries. I don't know if they offer the same parts all over the world, but I don't think so. The US, Taiwan, and Japan Webike websites may have different parts availability, which is common. Can't directly buy Japan market only bike parts in the US, have to find an importer or individual to handle it.

The great thing is Honda used the same engine design for a lot of machines, but with some changes for the intended market. Like how some South American countries got cool smaller bikes that were never available in the US. Quite a few Honda machines are built in Brazil, even some models sold in the US. There's several variations of the 100cc-200cc engines, and even until the 2000's, they will bolt up to machines back into the 80's and maybe even the 70's. It's easy enough to buy a Chinese engine, but it'd be cool to swap in a Honda engine from another market.

Learning what was available, in which market, opens up more possibilities. I do waste some time looking, but I take notes.

That's a good find on the xr200 .. gone I'm my Ebay watch list . I'm sure something will come up for me it was a cheap trike and I don't mind sitting on it for a while before the parts turn up. It was sat up for over 20 years before i got and At least it isn't going for scrap.

[ATC King]

That's a good way to look at it. No hurry and parts will eventually show up.

It does give you time to either go over it really well or take it apart and spruce it up with some fresh paint.

For sure, take the time to go over all engine mounting bolts and frames bolts. The 110 frame can't handle loose bolts, because the engine is what gives it rigidity. Just about every 110 I've laid hands on had loose engine mounting bolts, especially the front mount. Wallowed out holes and cracks is what happens, and all it takes to prevent it is a little inspection and maintenance. There's some long bolts in the rear of the frame that go through the whole width of it. Those are usually missing or loose. Not something available at the local hardware store either, which is another reason I've seen so many SAE bolts stuffed into holes, here in the US anyway. It may be Whitworth for you, if in that area.

[Cjwebb92]

Yeah that's it, it's apart at the morning due to lack of storage at the moment, I was quite lucky striping it down went very well and everything undid like it was ment to. il collect the parts dry build it up and "restore" iv tryed to upload photos but for some reason it won't let me .

[ATC King]

https://www.3wheelerworld.com/showth...he-site/page47

The first threads usually have important information. Pretty common on many forums.

What is a little more difficult to find sometimes is image size limits, which I think is 250kB here.

That won't apply to linked images and many people use a image hosting site. I won't anymore, after the whole Photo Bucket corruption. Now it looks like PB may be licensing old images with AI, which means they'll own them and can monetize them and they're already using them to train AI. Technically, that's the case with posting images on many sites, not much different than if a person leaves a vehicle on someone else's property and after a certain amount of time, the property owner can legally take possession of it. Just something to be aware of, to make an informed decision.

That's a whole other discussion though.

For posting images on here, I prefer compression to resizing. Get it to 250kB or less and it should upload. If you don't already have image software that will compress, there's several to choose from that can be downloaded. There's possibly some security issues there as well, but it's not posting images outright on a hosting site, where AI will look for bulk images, or some bored, nosy, corrupt government employee may look just to cause people problems, like trying to take someone's child away because a parent didn't cover them in bubble wrap before going outside. Truth is scarier than fiction in today's world.

Besides all that uncalled for rubish, there are some image posting rules. The obvious ones, or should be to reasonable people, like no nudity or pornographic imagery, gory stuff, impersonation, and general uncouth behavior. Then there's more specific rules, like to not show people riding without a helmet. The peanut gallery already likes to label trikes as death machines, no need to further fuel their ignorance. The fact is, a large part of the population will meet their fate from slipping in the bathroom, but I ain't seeing any push for shower helmets.

Before I met God on a bathroom floor, I'd try my chances on a AWD electric mobility trike.

https://cerebral-overload.com/2021/0...n-any-terrain/


If any of this helps, nod your head. I think image posting is a common question, and I also think most of it is not knowing about image size limits and how to deal with that. Like not knowing to check that box before logging in, which has bitten me way too much, and I still sometimes forget. Cookies in jars are good, but not in my browser.

[Cjwebb92]

https://www.3wheelerworld.com/showth...he-site/page47

The first threads usually have important information. Pretty common on many forums.

What is a little more difficult to find sometimes is image size limits, which I think is 250kB here.

That won't apply to linked images and many people use a image hosting site. I won't anymore, after the whole Photo Bucket corruption. Now it looks like PB may be licensing old images with AI, which means they'll own them and can monetize them and they're already using them to train AI. Technically, that's the case with posting images on many sites, not much different than if a person leaves a vehicle on someone else's property and after a certain amount of time, the property owner can legally take possession of it. Just something to be aware of, to make an informed decision.

That's a whole other discussion though.

For posting images on here, I prefer compression to resizing. Get it to 250kB or less and it should upload. If you don't already have image software that will compress, there's several to choose from that can be downloaded. There's possibly some security issues there as well, but it's not posting images outright on a hosting site, where AI will look for bulk images, or some bored, nosy, corrupt government employee may look just to cause people problems, like trying to take someone's child away because a parent didn't cover them in bubble wrap before going outside. Truth is scarier than fiction in today's world.

Besides all that uncalled for rubish, there are some image posting rules. The obvious ones, or should be to reasonable people, like no nudity or pornographic imagery, gory stuff, impersonation, and general uncouth behavior. Then there's more specific rules, like to not show people riding without a helmet. The peanut gallery already likes to label trikes as death machines, no need to further fuel their ignorance. The fact is, a large part of the population will meet their fate from slipping in the bathroom, but I ain't seeing any push for shower helmets.

Before I met God on a bathroom floor, I'd try my chances on a AWD electric mobility trike.

https://cerebral-overload.com/2021/0...n-any-terrain/


If any of this helps, nod your head. I think image posting is a common question, and I also think most of it is not knowing about image size limits and how to deal with that. Like not knowing to check that box before logging in, which has bitten me way too much, and I still sometimes forget. Cookies in jars are good, but not in my browser.

Tryed it got it done but when I choose the file . Nothing happens .. thanks again for all your help

[ATC King]

What's the message you get, just failed to upload?


Glad I didn't scare you off with my outside inner voice.

[Cjwebb92]

It says choose photo, il click the photo and then nothing else happen there's no upload file or ok button, maybe I'm missing something. Quite possible. Definitely no scaring , I really appreciate the help !

Just tryed to add to my own personal album on here . I must need to do it on a computer and not my phone. Doesn't let me drag them to the upload step