oil:fuel ratios

[theeechozen1]

usually about 6-8$$ vs. 3-4$$ a quart

[TRI Z Racer]

i can get full synth spectro for 4.99 a quart, no tax in New Hampshire

[kimmer250r]

I've been a dealer for amsoil for about 4 years now and love their products. I always use series 2000 2 cycle oil in a 32:1 ratio. However, I have recently come across a new oil that blew me away. It is called Blue Marble oil. This stuff beats anything on the market including my amsoil. Check out the write ups on it. Everything it claims is true. I just recently started using it and it takes about 4 tanks of gas before you notice all that it claims. You can get it through www.nulubes.com. Check out the write up on the enviromental competition it competes in. Their 2 stroke engine is beating 4 strokes in every catagory including less polutents!

[hondaracer250R]

you se that is wear you all got it wrong amsoil series 2000 is the best and you run it at 50:1 i never fouled a plug or anything
www.amsoil.com

[Bill X_R]

WOW kimmer, You must think that oil is some good stuff!!!! You just sold out your own product!!!

Godda' admire your honesty!

[TimSr]

You should be running that spectro at 50:1. Any good synthetic or blend should be ran at 50:1.

Yep, and good nonsynthetics at about 32:1, and cheap nonsynthetics (outboard motor oil, etc.) at 24:1.

And when youre doing the math in deciding whats most economical, be sure to factor in how much oil you use, (cost per gallon of gas) not just the cost per quart of oil, and youll likely find the price difference isnt so great. About 30-50 cents a gallon. Its amusing to me some guys will spend 30 cents a gallon to run 93 octane they dont need, but wont run synthetic oil.

One other fact thats hard to put a cost on. Synthetics run at leaner mixtures will lube better than nonsynthetics run richer. Unless you run each in identical bikes over years, you wont know exactly how much longer your top end will last between bore jobs, but it will.

[89cr250_85250es_bigred]

i used to run Redline a lot in my bikes and anything i had that was a 2 stroke but have since switched to honda HP2 100% synthetic with the redline i felt i never could get my jetting dead on and i think its because it seprates from the gas so quickly not that thats a bad thing but i think that was the problom as if anyone of you know that your ratio of oil and gas have a big difference on jetting want to learn more vist www.eric-gorr.com and i dont want to explain it all here anyway with the HP2 my bike runs great i mix it at 40:1 with VP C12 race gas i have to my bike predetonates on anyhting lese thats because it makes 220 PSI so its compression is high thnaks the head and cylinder machining anyway i think all the oils that are synthetics are good i just like the HP2 and run it in my CR because i strongley believe in honda and all of hondas products there i threw my 2 cents in to

[kimmer250r]

Hondaracer, I'm not wrong...sorry. I've been an amsoil dealer for 5 years now and it is good stuff, BUT blue marble is better for two stroke oil. In all tests, bm was the best. Sorry. Just trying to steer people in the right direction billx. Even if it does cut back my sales. lol

[J.D.]

I'm actually running Yamalube at 32:1 in my Z. Seems pretty good so I think I'll stick with it.

[lisnup65]

I am thinking of becoming a Blue Marble dealer if anyone is interested. I currentlt do Amsoil and I will not drop that line, but for 2 strokes the BM seems the way to go. Since Nulubes only sells by the case, I figure that maybe some folks here would be interested in quart availability. I submitted my info to them and I am currently waiting for a response. Just think, a 2 stroke with no smoke, more enviromentally freindly than most 4 strokes and an improvement in power and rpm's. I cannot wait to actually give the stuff a try, but I refuse to buy a whole case at cost when I do not know first hand the outcome.

[kimmer250r]

Lisnup65, I looked into becoming a bm dealer too, but you have to buy a pallet minimum at a time....that's $5000.00 worth of oil. Blue marble doesn't come in quarts either, it only comes in gallons. I know dealer cost for a gallon is $20, but I'd rather pay the $35 a gallon that buy $5000 worth! Bm is only looking for large overhead dealers, I have called and talked to jeff at nulubes a couple of times. Oh well, it's still the best 2 stroke oil.

[lisnup65]

Lisnup65, I looked into becoming a bm dealer too, but you have to buy a pallet minimum at a time....that's $5000.00 worth of oil. Blue marble doesn't come in quarts either, it only comes in gallons. I know dealer cost for a gallon is $20, but I'd rather pay the $35 a gallon that buy $5000 worth! Bm is only looking for large overhead dealers, I have called and talked to jeff at nulubes a couple of times. Oh well, it's still the best 2 stroke oil.

Thanks for the info!! I have yet to hear from them so it gives me something to go by. I did mean gallon and not quart before. $35.00 or less would be better than a case for over $100.00 at a time. I may still be interested in the skid at around $5K as I would be the primere distributor in my area which would work out OK.

[sandrooster]

Unless you run each in identical bikes over years, you wont know exactly how much longer your top end will last between bore jobs, but it will.

I own an 85 250R(left bike in pic) that's on its original bore. I only use nonsynthetic after advice from a Hare and Hounds scrambler racer.
It still runs really strong and beats most new quads in sand drag 1/2 milers. To include nonpaddled quads: 03 660 raptors, 440ex with FMF pipes, Banshee with Toomey pipes. Banshees with paddles beat me easily.

My point is that my friends R in on its third topend since '96. He used to use 50:1 MC1 until his third topend. He rode alittle more than me but no much. We also ride just as hard on our trikes. He is now a convert because of my experience with nonsythetic mix oil.

I'm curious about others experience with both synthetic and nonsynthetic oil as far as topend rebuilds go.
How many and how often?

[89cr250_85250es_bigred]

Well i used to use nonsynthetic oil for a long time but never in my CR because this was way before i had it i used to run it in my old elsinores anyway i mean i never seized one up and i rode a long time on its top end which by the way the guy who i bought it from had replaced and put the piston in backwards! but it still ran ok anyway one day i did decide to run some snythetic redline to be exact and i noticed an increase in overall power it felt smoother and just seemed to rev better and thats when i had become a beilever in snythetic plus i had always heard good stuff about it before personally id never run a non synthetic in my CR ever and actully what i hear is the best oil is castor bean oil but is a very dirty oil build carbon quickly ive actully heard that you can mix a bit of castor bean oil with the oil you regularly use and it will help i have yet to try it

[ATCkrazy]

it really depends on the machine, I got an old 78 yamaha DT175 dirt bike, was orig oil injc but it's been blocked off, I bought a quart of yamalube semi-syntec oil for $3.99 at my shop, mixed one gallon at 25:1 and it fould plugs every day, mixed it at 50:1 and it runs prefect, plugs looks great, my 1983 moto-ski mirage snowmobile I run castrol super high proformance snowmobile oil(about $2.99 a quart) mixed at 32:1, runs fine, it all depends on the machine.