Hunting dispute

[Wickedfinger]

Murderer - The guy admitted to demounting his scope in favor of his iron sights - that right there proves he was setting out to murder a group of people, fast - its alot easier to aquire multiple targets at close range with open sights. This should be a cut and dry case ......... well, should be. And another thing, what kind of nut would try and hunt white tail with a medium power, military FMJ. (yes, 7.62x39 hollow points are available, but they are jacketed too) let alone with an SKS or Type 56. You know, in a way, I'm glad for his gun stupidity - if he had a full power ought 6, .308 or 30/30, he might have killed 8 people instead of 6.

[Pistonhead]

If I'm not mistaken, SKS's are only semi-auto unless modified (by removing some springs etc.) I know that the chinese sks's have a faulty piece in the firing mechanism that sometimes causes them to go off in full auto bursts if the gun is severly dropped or shaken. Anyway, where I come from you can hunt with an sks as long as you use a magazine that can only hold 5 rounds. Either way, the murderer is still a truly un-human being who doesn't deserve the gift of life. What a terrible tradgedy. I hope the murderer is given the death penalty.

[atczack]

They should shove a machine gun up his rear and blast away. An eye for an eye is what I say!

[Wickedfinger]

I have a Type 56 Chinese (SKS) - it is widely known fact that you can file down the stopper on the sear in the trigger group and make the rifle (fully) auto (although I've never heard of the "drop" thing). Unlike the AK-47, however, it was never intended to be a fully auto weapon, therefore it was never designed with an full auto trigger group or bolt assembly. Modifying an SKS to full auto is HIGHLY against the law, and only a fool would do such a stupid thing. To get caught with such a modification would mean many months in a Federal prison and the stripping of your gun rights forever.

[honda200boyatc]

i read both articals in the duluth MN paper and it says that he was asked nicely to get down so he did and when walkin away he turned and started shootin at the hunting group. then one of the guys radioed for help so he a kid and his mom came out to help.
when he saw them coming he shot at both of them and hit both of them so then when he saw some more hunters so he shot at them. Then when he was out of bullets he started running throw the wood. he came across two more hunter that help him to the closest road. one of the people that he shoot at got the number off the bcak of his jacket and called it in. a DNR was driving down the road and saw his and picked him up and hand cuffed him. now his family is saying that he didn't do it it was some chinese **edited** out there shootin wildly i hope him nd his family are sent back to were ever there from and the UN talks it from there.

**please dont type aorund the word filters**

[honda200boyatc]

HAYWARD, United States (AFP) - The Laotian-born truck driver accused of massacring six members of a deer hunting party in a remote wooded part of Wisconsin, claims he was fired on first, according to court papers released.


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Chai Vang told investigators that a member of the party opened fire on him as he was walking away after they had ordered him off a private estate in Sawyer County, northwest Wisconsin.


Vang said he turned in time to see the man shoot, and crouched down as the bullet whipped past, landing 30 to 40 feet behind him.


The 36-year-old said he then fired two shots, felling the man, according to papers filed Tuesday as part of a probable cause hearing.


The Hmong immigrant, who was in Wisconsin for the first weekend of the deer hunting season, also claimed that members of the party verbally abused him, calling him "chook," and "gook."


But while his account of how Sunday's deadly shooting spree started differs from that of the survivors, his version of how a random encounter between deer hunters escalated into an all-out massacre tallied closely with their version of events.


According to investigators, Vang described the rampage in chilling detail, going on to recount how he sprayed the other members of the hunting party, many of whom were unarmed, with gunfire.


Two or three of the group, Wisconsin natives from a nearby town who had gathered together for their annual hunting expedition, immediately fell to the ground.


Vang then pursued one of the group, Joey Crotteau, 20, shooting him several times in the back, once at close range, as the young man ran for his life, screaming "Help me. Help me."


Seeing other members of the party arrive on the bloody scene, Vang said he turned the camoflauge side of his coat outwards, and reloaded his semi-automatic, SKS assault rifle with five or six more rounds.


He said he didn't fire on this group, because they were armed, but he did shoot and fell Allan Laski, 43, and Jessica Willers, 27, who showed up on an ATV.


Vang said Laski was preparing to shoot. Authorities said the pair were unarmed. Both were later listed among the dead.


Heading back towards the scene of the first shooting, he saw one of the wounded men from earlier, and shouting:"You're not dead, yet?" he fired off another round in his direction.


Vang disappeared into the woods as eight hunters lay bleeding and another half-dozen or so in their hunting party cared for the wounded.


Bodies were scattered over a 100-square-yard area, according to officials from the Sawyer County sheriff's department.


One of the hunting party had been able to alert authorities, and the police mounted a massive manhunt, which ended peacefully when Vang was arrested without incident on the edge of the woods five hours later.


At Tuesday's hearing, circuit court judge Norman Yackel ruled that there was probable cause to hold Vang and set his bail at 2.5 million dollars, Yackel also scheduled a court hearing for December 20.





On Tuesday, Vang's brother expressed shock and disbelief at what had happened.

Chai Soua Vang, 36, a St. Paul, Minn., resident and former soldier who is married with six children, was arrested five hours after the shooting Sunday.

[MTS]

well it will be pretty easy for cops to see if the killer was fired on first via balistics...i think th eguy is full of bull ****, if i was one of the hunters famliy members i have an SKS so far up his *** so quick he would be beggin for the bullet, i was give him death by an eletric chair and make him suffer as much as possibl, the guy is a compleat and utter **** head, this piss's me off sooo much, i cant write it all

[honda200boyatc]

the only thing about death pentalty is its not in WI and that were it happened so u WI people will have to pay for his room and board with buba in the prison

[MTS]

the only thing about death pentalty is its not in WI and that were it happened so u WI people will have to pay for his room and board with buba in the prison

yes well maby we will be lucky and he will be brutally beaten in jail

[OldSchoolin86]

yes well maby we will be lucky and he will be brutally beaten in jail

This is the state that dalmer was killed in. Hopefully the prison population takes care of this jerk too.

[Billy Golightly]

I dont care if he was shot at first or not. There was another half a dozen people that were COMPLETELY UNARMED and he unloaded on them. Fricken nutjob.

[Pistonhead]

I hope he gets some sodimized in prison, maybe when he's bleeding from the asshole he'll realize how stupid and careless his actions were.

[Dan Tenn]

... that "murderer" - is now saying he was fired upon first by the hunters. I'm 99% sure they don't allow auto rifle deer hunting up there - but in any case I'm 100% sure they would only allow a 3 round mag load if they did - thats six dead now - do the math.

Just want to get the facts straight here. It is semi-auto, not full auto. In MN, it is legal to carry a 10-round magazine (I use an AR-10). I checked the WI regulations, and could not find any info on clip size. I assume it is the same as MN.

[TimSr]

Just want to get the facts straight here. It is semi-auto, not full auto. In MN, it is legal to carry a 10-round magazine (I use an AR-10). I checked the WI regulations, and could not find any info on clip size. I assume it is the same as MN.

I cant speak for what WI hunting regulations allow, but heres a few more facts about the gun. The SKS has a ten round FIXED magizine. (not a detachable magazine." You have to pull back the bolt, and reload one round at a time through the top of the gun. A full auto or select fire version of the SKS was never made. It is not, nor has it ever met anybodys legal or academic definiition of an "assault rifle."
I dont think either account of what happened is accurate and that the truth lies somewhere in beween. Sounds like the people in that area are fed up with trespassers and that certain ethnic groups have a reputation for not respecting that. I have my doubts that they "kindly asked him to leave." They were probably understandably quite nasty and unfriendly about it. I do NOT believe they fired on him first. I think they guy was a fruitcake nutjob and he snapped.
Everybody likes to talk about "what they would have done", and its easy to talk tough when youre not being shot at. These people were basically unarmed. They obviously weren't expecting to shoot at anybody or be shot at.
Im sure all the facts will come out in the trial along with scientific evidence to prove and disprove theories and claims. Ill wait until then to form a full opinion as to what happned and what punishment is most appropriate.
Im all for the death penalty but for some people, a liftetime of imprisonment can inflict more suffering on them than a quick death. Im for whatever inflicts the most suffering upon a murderer, and that would depend upon the individual.
Aside from the useless deaths of a group of friends and family, and what the shooter has done that will utlimately destroy his own family, this tragedy will be used by those who wish to exploit a political agenda that has nothing to do with this tragedy. Chuck the Shmuck Shumer will be out there tomorrow saying that had we banned this type rifle and the killer used another type rifle, more of them would have survived, and the PETA people will be telling us that hunting turns good people into bloodthirsty murderers.
I see it as a ticking nutjob that could not have been detected by any government system, and that the only possible better outcome might possibly have been if those shot were all armed. I also wonder if this nutjob would have been so quick to fire on a group of armed hunters. Finally, I wonder how many others this guy has killed, that we dont know about, or that were chalked up to "hunting accidents".

[Jeb]

I've heard allot of people fussing that the 7.62x39 cartridge is not good to hunt with and only a "moron" would use this round.

People are entitled to their opinions but tell that to Ruger. Here's the Mini-30's operation manual:

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/PDF/25.pdf


A quote from page 8:

"The Ruger Mini-30 is similar, but not identicle, to the Ruger Mini-14 series of rifles, and is adapted to an excellent deer hunting cartridge, the 7.62x39 MM."

It also says to only shoot ammo made to American Standards. That cheap import FMJ ammo is not the best choice for hunting obviously. But what if he was using Remington Core-Lokt or some other better quality hunting ammo? Perhaps he loaded his own ammo however that it is very unlikely. And he could have done just as much damage with a Mini-30.

I'm no ballistics expert (of course) and I know the 7.62x39 is not high power. There are much more powerful and better loads to use. Personally when I used to hunt, I used .30.30 or .30-06. I wasn't ever much of a hunter and never reloaded any. I just shot factory loads. But I don't think it makes a man a nut-job to use a 7.62x39 SKS to hunt deer.

What makes him a nut-job is using any gun to kill several obviously un-armed people. He's a killer, plain and simple.

But hey, there are guys that think a $40,000.00 4 wheel drive pickup and a $7000.00 4 wheel drive ATV is required equipment for hunting. I don't care what anybody says, these type are playing. The poor man hunting afoot with an SKS might be hungry.

I've also heard along the lines of "well, you see what happens now that these banned assualt weapons are back on the streets??" I just set back and laugh because the SKS itself was never banned. Sad and scary thing is that main-stream America doesn't know that.