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2006 is going to be here before we know it. Does anybody know the latest on the EPA and two strokes? The last I heard (about a year ago), is that starting in 06 you cannot take a two stroke race bike like a CR,KX,YZ,RM,etc on public land. You would still be able to take them to tracks and private land. Is this still accurate?
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Why do we let stuff like this happen? Why don't we fight back?
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Sometimes you do have to think of the environment. The air isn't going to clean itself at the rate we put fumes into it. Sure 2-strokes may make some power, but they are not the most efficient by design. Think of the future.
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I agree but the 2-stroke problem is very small in the big picture.Originally Posted by TheOlderFox
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I hope that was a joke. If not, I can see a little easier why Hillary Clinton is senator up there...
Hasn't Mt. St. Helens released more pollution into the air in the few recent weeks that it's been awake than humans have in the entire 20th century? And it hasn't destroyed the environment.
I agree with OldSchoolin. 2 stroke pollution is negligible. What's next after banning two-strokes? Ban all off road vehicles since they are mostly for recreation? Nobody has to "play" on an off road vehicle. Think of the future. Hope you see my point.
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The impact of all two cycle motors in the country combined to the environment in insignificant compared to other forms of air pollution. There are also many environmentally friendly two cycle oils now available, such as Blue Marble, that allow two strokes to burn cleaner than 4 strokes. The greatest environmental threat from ATVs is from their irresponsible operation, and not from their exhaust emmissions.
You should be no more worried about the 2 stroke "ban" than you were about the 3 wheeler "ban". They will gradually be phased out of production, as they have been doing over the past several years, and eventually you will see less and less of them in the field, just like trikes. The SWAT team is not going to bust down your doors and take your two stroke.
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I would agree with TimSr that 2-strokes are getting phased out. It's natural progression and the manufacturers trying to meet emissions requirements. I am not against 2-strokes, I just would like to see a cleaner environment. You just have to start somewhere and not everything you can control. Mt . St Helen is one of those that can't be controlled. Pollution controls are on cars in many states now including NY. Cars that don't meet emission controls won't be re-inspected. Industry has standards to follow, so it will filter down to ATV's as well. If you would like I can share with you more info of what we are doing to our bodies and environment if you would like. My undergraduate work was in Environmental and Forest Biology and I am a Toxicologist now, so I feel that I have a leg to stand on. I just don't like when people feel that " it's so small how can it affect the big picture" We all have to do our part. Sorry, I don't want to sound like I am on a soap box, but I see first hand experience of what is happening and it makes me sick to think that a lot of what I see is due to human ignorance.
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I think there are A LOT more important things to worry about in the world then the little puff cloud a 2 stroke makes in the morning when its cold. Like the billions of gallons of waste dumped into the ocean each year for one.
I go into hardware stores now and I'm seeing 4 stroke weed wackers and leaf blowers, chainsaws probably soon. It makes me sick.
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Bah.
I thought this was only in certain states, is it in all states? If so, I guess I will just have to find some private land somewhere.
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Arm chair racerJust too addicted
I dont think the 2 strokes will be banned from public land, I just think that they will have a production ban set place. Id love to see them kick all the 2 stroke riders off the dunes.
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2 strokes and diesel engines are in the process of being cleaned up. Theres a lot of research in controlling exhaust emissions in 2 strokes for even use in cars. 2 strokes have so many production and operating advantages - they are so cheap to build, and make so much power per cubic inch that they cant be ignored.
Diesel technology is being reworked too. The big items on both are cylinder design exhaust catalysts and engine noise.
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If they ban 2-strokes before they make these guys park some of these black smoke bellowing diesel dogs, then I think we should all get together & kick the E.P.A. In the ass.
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Yes, diesel is supposed to run very clean by 2007 or 2008.
The problem I see is bring something back that is phased out. Although it is new technology, companies are not as willing to try something "new". Or at least my opinion.
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If the ATV and bike compaines started releasing cleaner 2-strokes they would be allowed after 06 I'd believe (this how the snowmobile industry is). Right now ski-doo has some of the cleanest running sleds on the market, and guess what, they are all 2-strokes.
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I spoke with my local Yamaha dealer and according to him and the 2006 Yamaha sport quad brochure, the Banshee will be no more after the 2006 model year.
The Blaster? I didn't ask and the brochure didn't specify.
I imagine it's on the way out, too.
The "ban" is not really a "ban", it's merely a phase out because the companies don't want to spend the money it takes to build a series of clean 2 stroke engines. The new 2 stroke engines they presently have are WORLDS cleaner than they used to be for sure and we have the oil technology to make a huge difference.
So now we're stuck with TINY, grossly over-complicated 4 stroke weed-eaters, trimmers, chain saws, etc.? Dumb.
Picture rebuilding one of those pricey little gems. Nope.
Sounds like a throw-away consumer item to me.
From what I've read, there is no ban for 2 strokes on public lands
If someone has links to a federal or state law stating that there IS a 2 stroke ban on public lands, please post it or PM it to me.
I'd love to read it.
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