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    Thats an idea . 8 paddle Haulers ? Much steeper than Olds or Comp and shorter. I was starting to think that about my paddles.I was watching Bro we were seeing who could go slowest up the steepest hill we could find . He was hookin up much better and I built his motor. Thanks What about size? How tall are you wheels ?

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    mine are 21X11-8 i am not sure if they make a 20 inch hauler and if not and u want a 20 inch tire a HIGHLY suggest the Sand Snake straight paddle its a 8 paddle molded tire i ran that on my R and could fly up a hill but since i had it on a 83 it slowed top end but made the 250R and 400ex HAUL! go straight bent paddles dont let u slide
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideRed250R
    go straight bent paddles dont let u slide
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    I thinnk you've got that backwards RideRed. V paddles are supposed to turn easier that straight paddles and straight paddles are designed for the most traction. I've run both and to me, what is gained in the turning and sliding ability of the v's is not worth the loss in the traction the straight paddles provide, you just need to use an little more body english to get the bike to go where you want it to. As for size, my haulers are 10 paddle, 20 x 10 x 10's.
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    Dood, I used to run a 14 in front (stock I think & had the prob your state'n).
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    13- 39 is stock.
    OK, well when I first hit the sand 2 years back the hills were 3rd gear only tasks. So some dude @ the motocross shop told me to go down a tooth on the front sproket. I had a 14 on so the guy who had it before me must have been more into top speed flat drag stuff, right? Cause after I changed to the 13 front I can shoot the hills like I think your supposed to be able to. F&F

    I'll skip going down to a 12 tooth front, cause I still like to lug with some torque @ times. Although the true "speed demon hill shooters" drop clutch reved out in 3rd @ the start!?!?!? I'm not ready to sacrifice my engine in that way yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman
    I thinnk you've got that backwards RideRed. V paddles are supposed to turn easier that straight paddles and straight paddles are designed for the most traction. I've run both and to me, what is gained in the turning and sliding ability of the v's is not worth the loss in the traction the straight paddles provide, you just need to use an little more body english to get the bike to go where you want it to. As for size, my haulers are 10 paddle, 20 x 10 x 10's.
    I think strait paddles are for dragging , When you are on a steep dune they are harder to turn must put front firmley on the ground. V is for all around rideing .So my goal is to have a bike that starts on the 1st kick NEVER BREAKS on a ride is fun for all around dune rideing Not to low or high on the gears.And stil kicks as at the hill we end up at for raceing. I think softer and more rolled over paddles is a good idea.My tires are hard without air now. feels good at 65mph but spin half the way there.I am thinking of EDGE 20x11x9 JLucky. 8 paddles ?

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    I run 12\38 with 22" haulers on my R. I can pull Sand Mountain with 4th easily. Remember, even though you're gearing down, you are getting into higher gear ratios and you can go faster on a hill.
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    Is'nt haveing paddles 2 inches taller like going back to square or a 13tooth?

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    I agree. Having the taller tires and the smaller sprocket kind of goes back to stock. I've played around with stock gearing and smaller tires and I like my current set up but I am going to start playing around with my rear sprocket now and see what differences I can make there.
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    Well, time to follow up. I dropped down a tooth and my bike went faster on level ground and on hills. No prob going around the bike i have been tyring to beat all year on the steep hill . Guess my bike needed it. Then a friend of my neighbor's who likes my trikes i am always working on out front gave me some IPT Rims with Sand sharks 22in. That's two inches taller than my 20s and I think that's like dropping 1 or 2 more teeth on the rear. Wow, scary fast. I took it to the hill and it more than turned them. I rode a CR500 for 15 years now and this 250 scares me in that perfect way. I think we are done, cosmetics only from now on. 1st kick, fast as I want and tight. Taller tires feel better and hook up much better. Thanks.

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    I was pulling the main hill at pattons valley in 4th no problem. 5th was not doable though. Running 20 inch sand sharks and 13/38 gearing. How does olds and comp compare to that one? It looked a lot steeper from the bottom than the top. Got to admit I was a little intimidated by it when before I ran up it the first time. :o

    That's a crazy feeling by the way. I'm sure you guys are used to it but the first time I attacked that hill pinned in 4th was kinda freaky. I can definitely see why the dune riders are so power hungry now too. You can use every bit of it out there. AND I LIKED IT!

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    Glad to hear you did it . The hill i race is like the top of Olds but not as long. Ive gone forward and backwards up it in my Toyota truck. Last trip went miles deep love the dunes behind Olds for truckin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a-camp
    Is'nt haveing paddles 2 inches taller like going back to square or a 13tooth?
    2-inch taller tires with a 12-38 combo is even a little higher then stock.

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    patton is much steeper then olds, now ** talkin the comp hill at pattons and thats not even comparable to olds, olds is steeper and longer, olds is about 2 times that, patton tho has the steepest dunes i know of.
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