bad day for my 200x!

**BigGreenMachine** · 01-20-2005, 11:18 PM

Higher compression adds more heat and burns more fuel than stock meaning you would need to rejet and add higher octane fuel. Sounds like you melted your rings. I melted a set of rings the other week the same way as you basicly, luckily I have a complete topend with cylinder/head and piston and rings so all I need to run now is to rejet.

**vartiak15** · 01-20-2005, 11:41 PM

so i could melt some brand new weisco(sp) rings, by not running race gas? wow man i never even thought of that. well will this do any damage to my cylinder? and from now on ill put in the octane boost. i got this piston and when i order it from dennis kirk it said standard so i thought it was like a stock one. well comes out it was a 12.1 compression one. i did not buy a monster compression piston on purpose. well ill let your guys no tommarrow if i get the time to get it apart. (got to clean up my bros sled project so i can have my bench back lol.) wish me luck. and

i read your post and to let your no i did the same thing when i got it i tore it apart to find out that the crank bearings were shot(replaced them) i inspected the wiring harness and then retaped it and put some fancy wire protector on it. and replaced bearings and everyhting. i take good care of my trike. always clean it. i dont no if im running the right jet. im not good on that kinda stuff. ive got a 110 main. do i need to change the pilot and should i go with a bigger main? it ran good, ill check the plug(just put a new one in a lil bit ago). i think it might be a lil ritch if i remember from the old plug.

**BigGreenMachine** · 01-21-2005, 12:00 AM

I ruined the wall of my cylinder but its nothing a 1st over bore would't take care of, glad I went the sleeve route instead of the Nikisal plating. I'm not perfect on jetting either, if I was I would not have melted the rings like I did. By running the clamp on filter and 12:1 piston you will need to rejet to allow more fuel to enter the cylinder thoughout the throttle range as well you will need to run high octane fuel (race gas).

**samster143** · 01-21-2005, 01:31 AM

From what I know that octane boost stuff only takes the octane up a few points like from 93 to 93.5 or something like that. You need like 110 octane...minimum.. for 12:1. that costs like $5.0 per gallon.

**samster143** · 01-21-2005, 01:32 AM

You must also adjust the valves after having the motor apart.... From what I know.

**HaggLE** · 01-21-2005, 06:50 AM

100 octane is plenty for 12:1 As long as it isnt pinking...

**TimSr** · 01-21-2005, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by 83185s

i dunno tim sr. i just kinda did..im not the smartest one alive and i dont always know what im talking about but thats just what i believe it is..(not trying to be a smart ass)

Well, the problem here is that not everyone may know that you are shooting from the hip with wild guesses, and if someone assumed that your advice was good based on the amount of it that you hand out, they might actually follow it, and it could cost them lots and lost of money. What if this guy would have run out and bought new rings because he thought you sounded like you knew with certainty that this was his problem? Wild guesses are great for game shows, but they can be very damaging to your fellow trikers. Please limit your technical adivce to topics with which you have some personal experience, or preface them with the words, "I have no clue and am taking a wild guess..." so that poeple who dont know you, willo know that the advice you are about to give should not be relied upon.

**diggerzmound** · 01-21-2005, 10:48 AM

JEEEZZZ we got some opinions here. Unfortunately Opinions don't repair crap but maybe your ego, when you guess right. Lack of lubrication and wear are the worst enemies of our friends the rings.. If yours melted you forgot to mix your 2 cycle oil or are running too little ring gap, or wayy to lean. Hi compression and low octane fuel cause detonation or pinGing.. Detonation is hard on the piston and valves in a 4 cycle.. Detonation will surely destroy a piston before it will do anything but maybe break the rings. usually on a 2 cycle detonation kills the piston either directly beneath the sparkplug out right near the exhaust port. You do not necessarily need to run race gas unless you are experiencing pinging after proper jetting.. Race gas burns slower so it will hinder performance if it is not needed. (here goes the octane arguement, don't waste your time, I KNOW)

You people resonding to this guys question should really hold your tongues, unless you have experience what he is talking about or are sure you know what you are talking about. You quickness to supply an opinion really discredits this website..

As for valves, why would it blow smoke if a vavle was stuck????

The best advice is, you are gonna have to pull the top end, cause something is definately wrong with the rings/piston. Do a compression check, if its below 90, the top end must be pulled......

I am not trying to piss anyone off, just trying to help this very active and could be helpful forum....

**HaggLE** · 01-21-2005, 11:07 PM

Dude its been lunched. Pull it down and you will find lots of little pieces of aluminium.

**83185s** · 01-22-2005, 02:10 AM

well i was right tho tim..he did melt the rings..yes i said blow the rings but to different people it means different things...and i did know somewhat about what i was talking about

**TimSr** · 01-22-2005, 02:21 AM

How do you know your guess was right if he hasnt taken it apart yet? If he melted his rings, I will eat them. Please explain just exactly what "blow a ring" does mean?

**83185s** · 01-22-2005, 02:33 AM

alright tim he said he melted the rings already thats how i know..and im not even going to go into it cause i cant stand arguing anymore..i get enough at home i dont need it on a site that i go on to for information and helping other people..jeez drop it plz

**HaggLE** · 01-22-2005, 06:55 AM

Tim
I agree with your post regarding just guessing solutions they can sometimes lead to alot of time and money wasting.

But on the other hand, you mentioned him going out and buying rings when that isnt the problem, I think some good advice to take is dont buy anything without physically seeing that you need it. Going out and buying rings for your motor because some dude on the internet said that you needed them is not very wise. Checking the rings to help solve your problem well yeah that doesnt hurt.
If you wrote those comments about me (which i first thought you did till i read further because I posted before your message) I would be a little upset. Perhaps you over-reacted to the situation a little.

I too have felt like you about posts that are blaintlently annoying and not relevant or necessary but have resulted in my posts being retracted from rule breaking, so being a forum admin you should think whether the post is required before posting it. (Or retract his posts if necessary)

Not trying to get up your nose I value your opinions, just trying to help keep the peace.

I sincerely hope that nothing major is wrong with your motor vartiak15 but in my opinion you may have done some major damage.

**TimSr** · 01-22-2005, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by HaggLE

Tim
I agree with your post regarding just guessing solutions they can sometimes lead to alot of time and money wasting.

But on the other hand, you mentioned him going out and buying rings when that isnt the problem, I think some good advice to take is dont buy anything without physically seeing that you need it. Going out and buying rings for your motor because some dude on the internet said that you needed them is not very wise. Checking the rings to help solve your problem well yeah that doesnt hurt.
If you wrote those comments about me (which i first thought you did till i read further because I posted before your message) I would be a little upset. Perhaps you over-reacted to the situation a little.

I too have felt like you about posts that are blaintlently annoying and not relevant or necessary but have resulted in my posts being retracted from rule breaking, so being a forum admin you should think whether the post is required before posting it. (Or retract his posts if necessary)

Not trying to get up your nose I value your opinions, just trying to help keep the peace.

I sincerely hope that nothing major is wrong with your motor vartiak15 but in my opinion you may have done some major damage.

Haggle - Nothing I said was directed towards you or your responses. In my first response I stated that no one could tell him his problem without taking it apart and looking at it. I think we are in total agreement there.

What Im tired of is a handful of guys who chime in with some wild guess on every post for tech help that they see, even if its a machine theyve never seen in their life, in hopes that they might get a guess right once in a while, and everyone will think they are brilliant. Its one thing to be wrong. Its another to habitulally and fequently throw out information that you know you have no personal knowledge of without regards to the consequences suffered by those who follow this advice because they arent familiar with certain people's habits of doing this. I dont jump on anybody for it unless they make a habit out if it.

Again, Haggle, none of this was directed to you, and none of it was critical of the help you try to offer those seeking it.

**kilabeez0** · 01-22-2005, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by TimSr

Haggle - Nothing I said was directed towards you or your responses. In my first response I stated that no one could tell him his problem without taking it apart and looking at it. I think we are in total agreement there.

What Im tired of is a handful of guys who chime in with some wild guess on every post for tech help that they see, even if its a machine theyve never seen in their life, in hopes that they might get a guess right once in a while, and everyone will think they are brilliant. Its one thing to be wrong. Its another to habitulally and fequently throw out information that you know you have no personal knowledge of without regards to the consequences suffered by those who follow this advice because they arent familiar with certain people's habits of doing this. I dont jump on anybody for it unless they make a habit out if it.

Again, Haggle, none of this was directed to you, and none of it was critical of the help you try to offer those seeking it.

I think throwing ideas out is a great thing to do. I sometimes make a list of the "wild guesses" when tracking down a problem. relax

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