185 is getting spark!

**83185s** · 02-27-2005, 09:18 PM

well you heard

..its getting spark now

..i fixed that today

..its a bright blue spark.

..anyway..it still isnt running...its getting gas and spark and not running..what could be the cause? my dad said low compression or not enough..im thinkin yea right its 12:1 !! and its pretty hard to push start it compared to the regular stock compression piston that was in there..i dont have a pullstarter...anyway..yea gas+spark= not running...whats the cause??..

**short4stuff** · 02-27-2005, 10:05 PM

I am thinking timing ...
umm yeha i dunno you can push start the 12:1 ?? .. My x with the stock 9.6:1 piston couldnt be jump started .. the tires would just lock up :S ...

**83185s** · 02-27-2005, 10:23 PM

i have spider traks

) ..what gear u tryin to start it in?? with my friends 200x and his 12:1 it has to be in at least 3rd when cold..2nd when warmed up..well i just put it in the correct timing before i tried it..piston was at tdc cam lobes were down and it was all lined up..i cant figure it out and i gotta work tomarrow so ..ill figure out tuesday after school if i dont work..that 185 is truely a pos..i cant stand it anymore..i used to like workin on it..but now it seems everytime i do i strip a bolt hole or break something else..i need a different machine with a different engine..like a 2 stroker! ive never worked on one so it would probly jump my intrest alot..anyway..yea its just pissin me off..my light cam on also when i was pushing it...lol..it was gettin pretty bright to..5th gear is easiest to do it..1 wont move the tires with the standard 185s piston..2nd has trouble when being pulled by car/truck/atv to move them..tears stuff up..thats how my shifter return spring got broke..anyway it still shifts fine..3rd is ok and gets it revvin high..4th is good and 5th is easiest..but since u have a manual clutch then you should only do it in 3rd if you have to...with someone pushing or being towed..so itll start and you can bring the clutch in...anyway..yea somethin is wrong..i think it doesnt have enough compression but i torqued those bolts as hard as i could since it has the 12:1 o dont want it blowin gaskets..i mean it doesnt even try to start tho..it has spark and gas but doesnt even try...its gotta be timeing...i just fixed my exitor coil...had to re-solder the wiring on..after i did that i electrical tapend over the wire and solder..to help it stay..its gotta be the timing tho

**short4stuff** · 02-27-2005, 10:28 PM

alright so you timed the valves .. great .. how did you time the ignition?

**83185s** · 02-27-2005, 10:31 PM

t timing mark..i may need to turn the pulser 180..just thought of that..but if i needed to do that it would at least backfire...it always did before when i needed to do it after a rebuild..

**short4stuff** · 02-27-2005, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by 83185s

t timing mark..i may need to turn the pulser 180..just thought of that..but if i needed to do that it would at least backfire...it always did before when i needed to do it after a rebuild..

F mark ... thats the correct way.

**83185s** · 02-27-2005, 10:41 PM

u sure?? the manual says t mark

**short4stuff** · 02-27-2005, 10:44 PM

well maybe its different than the 200x... but i mean is there a F mark there .. whats F stand for ..? .. fire? .. they wouldnt just put it there for no reason . .. It worked for my x.

**83185s** · 02-27-2005, 10:48 PM

hmm..i dunno really..maybe i should but itll only change the timing chain like 1 tooth difference..and it would backfire with it that close off..i dont think it has enough compression but ill prolly try all that stuff tuesday or somethin..or whenever i get around to it..lol..

**short4stuff** · 02-27-2005, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by 83185s

hmm..i dunno really..maybe i should but itll only change the timing chain like 1 tooth difference..and it would backfire with it that close off..i dont think it has enough compression but ill prolly try all that stuff tuesday or somethin..or whenever i get around to it..lol..

what did you do wrong that it wouldnt have compression? .. i mean didnt uou bore it to fit the piston ?.. hone it too ?..

**MTS** · 02-27-2005, 11:39 PM

YOU USE THE "T" MARK FOR TIMING the F mark is for setting your igniton,

**3 weelin geezer** · 02-27-2005, 11:47 PM

Yeah, try turning the pulser 180 deg. The easiest way I found to put it right is look in the plug hole. if the magnet is at the top when the piston is comeing up and the valves are open, you wont get it to work. The pulser is upside down (especially if you dropped it and it fell apart.) I had a hell of a time until I figgered this out. Use the t mark when its not running. Adjust the timing when you get it to run to get the f mark where its supposed to be. Do you have a manual by the way?

**83185s** · 03-01-2005, 12:40 AM

yea i figured that ...its probly just that pulse rotor..no i dont have a manual..i used to borrow one from my friend but when he got rid of his 200e br he gave the guy the clymer with it..he got a dam good deal tho.. a 76 yami 350 2 stroke twin motorcycle..i cant remember what its called but its the same engine as a banshee..i should also mention that its got less than 5k orignal miles and its in mint condition..his br wasnt close to mint..lol

**HaggLE** · 03-01-2005, 07:42 AM

83185s, you seem to be confused about timing. There are two different timings, cam timing and ignition timing. Cam timing when the valves open and close during the cycle and the ignition timing is when it fires during the cycle.

Set the cam timing by lining up the "T" mark and lining up the mark up the top (with the lobes down).

To set the ignition timing move to the "F" mark and then line up the pickup with the rotor inside the cover found in the side of the head.

**crackshot** · 03-01-2005, 09:09 AM

so what was the problem and what was causing no spark?

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