185 is getting spark!

**83185s** · 03-01-2005, 04:59 PM

well..im thinkin the springs were worn out in the pulse rotor causing it to be able to freeley move or something..i replaced the springs with some others that were stiffer and it got spark..it i can get it spark at the right time then ill be good to go..i hope..i know there are 2 different things on the timing..i wasnt sure what the f mark was for but i knew the t was for the engine timing..now that i know what the f mark is for i can get that pulse rotor set....thanks for tellin me how to do that...i apreciate your guys's help with this...ill tell ya in a few if anything else is wrong

**83185s** · 03-01-2005, 05:16 PM

cant get it to even try still..its got spark and gas but not running..i dunno what the prob is..i cant put it in the garage either cause if my dads m-cycle..its a bit to heavy for me to push...78' goldwing gl 1000...yea 800 pound bike so i dont think so..its been under a tarp so no snow or rain has gotten on the trike so far..its really p!$$!n me off tho! i dont see y it wont even try to run..ive even tried starting fluid to see if i just needed i higher octane gas but it aint workin...it dont try with ether and thats wierd...any clues?

**bigredhead** · 03-01-2005, 05:33 PM

Uhm... if you changed those springs for stiffer ones, you had to remove the ring plate that sets the timing to get to it, are you sure that plate is in the right place ?

What i'm talking about is that round ring that holds the black part with 2 screws that meet the rotor magnet, you loosen the 2 screws to set the gap between the rotor and ( You did set the gap with a feeler guauge right ? ) then once the gap is set, that ring can retard or advance the timing ..... make sure that ring is in the right palce.

**kando** · 03-01-2005, 05:46 PM

Just some ideas to try if you hadn't already, I hate to see some one stuck. Is your plug wet, then you know your getting gas for sure.If it isn't wet put a cap full of gas in spark plug hole and see if it will fire. If still no go I would go all through the timing again. when piston is at top dead centre make sure both no cam lobes are opening the valves..Go one complete revolution, and your exhaust v/v should be opening on way up. then when piston starts to go down intake v/ v should open. So when its half way around the intake should close and let piston come up to full revolution. when its there at the top this is when your fire mark should line up. Take your v/v cover off to see all this. I know you lined everthing up by all these marks, but following instructions can get confusing. I have followed these myself and still screwed up. Something has to be off if it won't fire. Hope this helps, It got to be frustrating you've been at this awhile.

**bigredhead** · 03-01-2005, 05:49 PM

NEVER put a cup of gas in your plug hole.. omg.

try a spray bottle with a few squirts max...

EDIT : ooops.. i swear he said a cup......... not a cap... Hahahahaha... sorry.

**kando** · 03-01-2005, 05:59 PM

Its says capful not cup full, I should of stated: off of a 4 litre jug, one ounce. Just took for granted he knew what I meant. His plug would definately be wet if he put a cupful in there..........LOL...............If he does put the cup full in and it fires atleast we'll know from the sound that he got it finally.....LOL.......

**bigredhead** · 03-01-2005, 07:11 PM

Put put put .. BOOOM

**83185s** · 03-01-2005, 10:28 PM

hey thanks..lol..well..i ripped the head off while the engine was on the frame ..not bolted..and was lookin all around to see if everything was seating properly..well..go figure..it wasnt..my valves were opened a little..but a little is enough..so i took the valve cover off and replaced with the 185 so i can set the clearance..well now that thats done they should close..which means compression which means ..fire!! lol...im hoping i fixed it but im not sure..br head...i didnt mess with the screws..what im sayin is the little rotor thing..i took it off then took the little c-rings off and then the little washers..put some other plates and springs on and replace it all..put the rotor back on and then the friction plate and it got spark..thats when it got it..before that it didnt...whats that gap suppose to be set at?? i just get it as close as possible without it touching the rotor..lol..it all seems to work..sometimes i slide a dollar bill into it...is it suppose to be set like the valves?? .003? or .8mm ?? all i gotta do on it now is put the engine mounts back on and try to fire it up but its 9 30 here and i gotta go to bed cause i got school in the morning and i have a bad cold..ive been in the garage..i maneuvered around my dads goldwing to get it in there...the valve caps on the 200x cover were so tight i stripped them with the right size open end rench..i tried socket and ratchet also but nothin..just strippage so i took it off and put the 185 on there...it still has the 200x head on..just the 185 valve cover...it lines up too..so im happy..it should be working..i think the valves not being closed all the way is what i heard when i thouhgt there was an air leak..i knew you meant a cap ful..i was going to use a 20 oz. bottle cap..lol..you guys are gonna **** when you here this..i just realized that all of my paychecks since august have gone into this machine and nothing eles besides about 200 on the 200x which means ive put about 1000 into this 185...and it aint running!!! i got to stop part time fixing this thing and have the shop do it...they will fix it and i can ride for another 20 years..lol...i really dont know y i bother with this 185 any more..but i have to anyway for the engine to get put on the x frame..thanks for your help guys..the ?'s are now.. how big is the gap between the pulse rotor and friction plate? , and

**83185s** · 03-02-2005, 06:22 PM

wel..i got it all back together and guess what..nothin happened..i turned the pulse rotor..nothin..now im stuck again..what could have gone wrong?? it had spark now im not sure if it does..it was getting gas and now that i changed the valve cover and adjusted the valves its got a **** load of compression...so im stuck again..plz help this pos

**kando** · 03-02-2005, 06:32 PM

Well on the bright side at least you have the timing right now. Make sure you have got a good spark and the firing timing is right.

**83185s** · 03-03-2005, 03:00 PM

well see thats the thing..its getting plenty of sparkk at the right time..the timing is right and all and its got so much compression now that i can hardly push it in 5th..it used to be really easy..now the tires lock up from the compression of the engine..also..i dont think its getting gas now...maybe if i switch the engine to the x frame and use that intake and stuff it might run..i dunno?? any ideas now??

**kando** · 03-03-2005, 03:30 PM

Just try a capful of gas to see if it fires now that you have got compression and you say timing is right this will prove everything is right. I wouldn't be changing out all your intake stuff just yet. If all this is correct that capful will give you combustion.

**83185s** · 03-03-2005, 11:55 PM

ok ok well i tried everything on this..cap full of gas and all..well i got tired of trying things that wouldnt work..not sayin your ideas arent good because i tried all of them..anyway...i rebuild it tonight..io put the stock 200x piston in there..it has a lot of compression still..i think the problem before was too much compression..i talked to a dealer that has had one of these and knows what hes doing ( not saying u guys dont) and he says it may have to much compression..so i rebuilt it like i said..its still got a lot but not as much..as far as i know its still getting spark and gas..i havnt tried turning the rotor 180 yet cuase it was 9 pm when i got it all back together and on the frame..i started at 6pm..anyway..thats what ive tried and its doing the same thing...any ideas?

**kando** · 03-04-2005, 12:42 AM

If the firing timing is right why would you turn rotor 180 degrees? Take it to a dealer your going to where the nuts out. Tell them all you tried he probably show you whats wrong for free.

**HaggLE** · 03-04-2005, 05:21 AM

Dont give up. This is what learning is all about .

Start from scratch. Check the following:
-Both valves close fully
-Cam timing is correct ("T" mark visible and top sprocket meets the mark)
-Ignition timing is correct ("F" mark visible and pickup line meets rotor line)
-Pickup meets when both valves are closed (check by taking the two caps off and making sure that there is valve/rocker clearance. If not its 180 out)
-pickup gap isnt too big but still not touching
-It has compression
-Decompression mechanism isnt staying on (if you have one)
-Jets arent blocked in carb
-float level is correct
-Intake tract is fully sealed between the carb and head (very critical)
-Air filter isnt blocked or too restrictive
-try another plug (preferably a new one)

Starting tips:
-Hold the throttle just over idle
-try with the choke and without

Thats all i can think of for now, let us know how you go and if anyone else has some fundemental checks that i have missed the please add them.

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